Talk:Dead Man's Bluff (Zhmurki): Difference between revisions

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Maybe, I'm wrong, but the revolver looks similar to Smith & Wesson Model 36 Chief's Special or Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight. Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:07, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Beretta style pistol maybe F/FS, but, also maybe some blank firing replica. Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2015 (EST)

About Flintlock Pistol, it's Blunderbuss pistol - it's muzzle is (don't know, how it's translated to English, but it's muzzle is "rastrub" or "voronkoobraznyy"). Compare this: Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Right, my guess is Umarex Smith & Wesson Chief's Special, a blank firing version of S&W 36. Blank firing handguns by Umarex are often seen in modern Russian movies. Concerning Beretta-style pistols, I think that those with stepped trigger guard and slide mounted safety can be Reck Miami 92F but I have no guess about another version (like the one, hold by "Brain"). Flintlock pistol is 99.9% a non-firing replica without a particular prototype. Greg-Z (talk) 11:18, 29 November 2015 (EST)

The PPK looks to have the longer barrel of a PP. I'm not so sure about the Berettas', the hammers look a bit off on some of them. I agree they are probably some kind of replicas though. 'Zhmurki-Pistol' images all are definitely a S&W automatic (the markings are clear in 'Zhmurki-Pistol-5'), specifically a 5904 given the 3rd gen wraparound grips - All those images appear to be the same gun, including the one with suppressor. StanTheMan (talk) 14:24, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Many thanks! I had the idea about S&W 5904 but was very unsure as I've never seen an S&W pistol in Russian movies. Greg-Z (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2015 (EST)

About Beretta pistol: it's may be Reck Miami 92F or Kimar Model 92.

About Revolver: It's absolutely S&W style, and I think - it's a Smith & Wesson Model 36. Compare this:

What do you think about that? Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Please read my previous entries: I've already told that Beretta with stepped trigger guard is most likely a Reck Miami 92F and the revolver is Umarex Smith & Wesson Chief's Special. Greg-Z (talk) 15:37, 29 November 2015 (EST)

I'm sorry, I did not notice it. But, Umarex revolver doesn't contain wooden grip, but rubber grip. Pyramid Silent (talk) 15:45, 29 November 2015 (EST)

Here is an Umarex Chief Special with blue finish and wooden grips. But I still need some more work to be sure as there are other blank firing versions of Model 36. Greg-Z (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2015 (EST)

And, about unknown pistol in "gangsta-style". I think, that's some model from M1911 pistol series. The shape is generaly the same. It's maybe also another, more unkmmon pistol, but it's hardly appears in Russian movie. So, the some version of M1911 are my guess. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:02, 29 November 2015 (EST)

And, Doctor's bodyguards were played by Pavel Ivanov III and Aleksei Sheludyakov, but second in only one movie and I can't found his photos in other movies or realy live. The first also plays in "Doroga bez kontsa", but his only photo is unclear. Pyramid Silent (talk) 16:19, 29 November 2015 (EST)

A few more about revolver

Maybe, it's an Arminius HW-37

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Arminius HW-37 - 9mm K blank firing

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Note the wooden grip with the lack of any logo..

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Note the similar shape of front sight, and the frame.

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Note the similar position of the screws.

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Note that the cylinder is opened to the same side (as HW-37 (source).

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Note the similar massive spure on the hammer.

Maybe. You are welcome to make appropriated edits. Greg-Z (talk) 13:30, 17 February 2018 (EST)

Some guess about one of the pistols

I upload a few more screenshots & promo shots. It's only guess, but maybe on of the berretta style pistols is the Beretta M1951?

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Beretta M951 - 9x19mm

Brigadier - Egyptian licensed copy of Beretta Model 951 - 9x19mm

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"Brain" (Garik Sukachyov) is armed with a Beretta-style pistol.

"Brain" holds his pistol on the promotional image.

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"Brain" aims his pistol. Note the rounded trigger guard and the lack of slide mounted safety.

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View of hthe "Brain"'s pistol from the slighty other angle.

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Very blured shot of the pistol.

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The pistol is partly seen (under the brocken table at the bottom left).

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The pistol can be seen at the bottom, left, lying in the blood.

The gun on promo still looks similar, but I cannot say if a screen gun has magazine spur. But genuine Beretta 1951 never was seen in any Soviet or Russian movie, and I cannot find any airsoft version of this Beretta gun. Greg-Z (talk) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Saiga-M

the Civil version of AKM is AKM (VPO-911-K) ? -KINKI'boy (talk) 05:23, 27 February 2018 (JST)

I have a suspiction that the screen gun is airsoft replica of AKM but cannot prove it. Greg-Z (talk) 15:36, 26 February 2018 (EST)

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 :Beretta style pistol maybe F/FS, but, also maybe some blank firing replica. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:11, 29 November 2015 (EST)
 ::About Flintlock Pistol, it's [[Blunderbuss]] pistol - it's muzzle is (don't know, how it's translated to English, but it's muzzle is "rastrub" or "voronkoobraznyy"). Compare this: [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:14, 29 November 2015 (EST)
-[[File:Pistol Blunderbuss.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mid 17th century blunderbuss pistol signed Mariano on barrel of Italian origin.]]
 ::Right, my guess is Umarex Smith & Wesson Chief's Special, a blank firing version of S&W 36. Blank firing handguns by Umarex are often seen in modern Russian movies. Concerning Beretta-style pistols, I think that those with stepped trigger guard and slide mounted safety can be [[Reck Miami 92F]] but I have no guess about another version (like the one, hold by "Brain"). Flintlock pistol is 99.9% a non-firing replica without a particular prototype. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:18, 29 November 2015 (EST)
 ::: The PPK looks to have the longer barrel of a PP. I'm not so sure about the Berettas', the hammers look a bit off on some of them. I agree they are probably some kind of replicas though. 'Zhmurki-Pistol' images all are definitely a S&W automatic (the markings are clear in 'Zhmurki-Pistol-5'), specifically a 5904 given the 3rd gen wraparound grips - All those images appear to be the same gun, including the one with suppressor. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:24, 29 November 2015 (EST)
 ::::Many thanks! I had the idea about S&W 5904 but was very unsure as I've never seen an S&W pistol in Russian movies. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:08, 29 November 2015 (EST)
 :::::About Beretta pistol: it's may be [[Reck Miami 92F]] or [[Kimar Model 92]].
-[[File:KimarM92FSBlankgun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimar Model 92 black - 8mm Blank]]
+About Revolver: It's absolutely S&W style, and I think - it's a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]]. Compare this:
-[[File:Reck miami 92F.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Reck Miami 92F, black finish - 9mm P.A.K. blanks]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Executioner" ([[Kirill Pirogov]]) carries a Beretta-style pistol in the opening scene. It has stepped trigger guard.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the bodyguards of "Doctor" ([[Aleksey Serebryakov]]) is armed with a Beretta-style pistol.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the same scene.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A petty criminal tries to rob Sergey and Simon, using a Beretta-style pistol.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When "Brain" ([[Garik Sukachyov]]) and his henchmen appear, one of the henchmen (at the left) holds a Beretta-style pistol.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Brain" himself also is armed with a Beretta-style pistol.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Brain" aims his pistol. Note the rounded trigger guard and the lack of slide mounted safety.]]
-About Revolver: It's absolutely S&W style, and I think - it's a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]]. Compare this:
-[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special - 5 shot.  First pattern with flat latch cylinder release.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergey hands the revolver to Koron. The wooden grip is seen.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Koron holds the revolver.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergey takes back the revolver.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The revolver with open cylinder. Cartridges are seen on the table.]]
-[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bala with the revolver.]]
 What do you think about that? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 15:31, 29 November 2015 (EST)
 :Please read my previous entries: I've already told that Beretta with stepped trigger guard is most likely a Reck Miami 92F and the revolver is Umarex Smith & Wesson Chief's Special. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:37, 29 November 2015 (EST)
 ::I'm sorry, I did not notice it. But, Umarex revolver doesn't contain wooden grip, but rubber grip. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 15:45, 29 November 2015 (EST)
+:::Here is an [http://www.colosus.sk/galeria/2_13997/plynovy-revolver-smith-wesson-chiefs-special-combat-cierny-drevo-kal-9mm-original.jpg Umarex Chief Special] with blue finish and wooden grips. But I still need some more work to be sure as there are other blank firing versions of Model 36. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:54, 29 November 2015 (EST)
+:And, about unknown pistol in "gangsta-style". I think, that's some model from [[M1911 pistol series]]. The shape is generaly the same. It's maybe also another, more unkmmon pistol, but it's hardly appears in Russian movie. So, the some version of [[M1911]] are my guess. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:02, 29 November 2015 (EST)
+::And, Doctor's bodyguards were played by Pavel Ivanov III and Aleksei Sheludyakov, but second in only one movie and I can't found his photos in other movies or realy live. The first also plays in "Doroga bez kontsa", but his only photo is [http://media9.fast-torrent.ru/media/files/s4/tj/cc/doroga-bez-konca-scene.PNG unclear]. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 16:19, 29 November 2015 (EST)
+== A few more about revolver ==
+Maybe, it's an [[Arminius HW-37]]
+[[File:Arminius HW37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Arminius HW-37 - 9mm K blank firing]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the wooden grip with the lack of any logo..]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the similar shape of front sight, and the frame.]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the similar [http://nimrodderringer.hu/arminius-hw37-chrome-gazrevolver/ position of the screws].]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note that the cylinder is opened to the same side ([http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15/exclamo.0/0_859d_ea06c012_XL.jpg%3C/A%3E as HW-37] ([https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/29/287628-0.html source]).]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Revolver-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the similar massive spure on the hammer.]]
+:Maybe. You are welcome to make appropriated edits. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:30, 17 February 2018 (EST)
+== Some guess about one of the pistols ==
+I upload a few more screenshots & promo shots. It's only guess, but maybe on of the berretta style pistols is the [[Beretta M1951]]?
+[[Image:Beretta_951.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M951 - 9x19mm]]
+[[Image:Helwan-Brigadier.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Brigadier -  Egyptian licensed copy of Beretta Model 951 - 9x19mm]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Brain"  ([[Garik Sukachyov]]) is armed with a Beretta-style pistol.]]
+[[File:Zhmurki pistol 3 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Brain" holds his pistol on the promotional image.]]
+[[File:Zhmurki-Beretta-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Brain" aims his pistol. Note the rounded trigger guard and the lack of slide mounted safety.]]
+[[File:Zhmurki pistol 3 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|View of hthe "Brain"'s pistol from the slighty other angle.]]
+[[File:Zhmurki pistol 3 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Very blured shot of the pistol.]]
+[[File:Zhmurki pistol 3 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pistol is partly seen (under the brocken table at the bottom left).]]
+[[File:Zhmurki pistol 3 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pistol can be seen at the bottom, left, lying in the blood.]]
+:The gun on promo still looks similar, but I cannot say if a screen gun has magazine spur. But genuine Beretta 1951 never was seen in any Soviet or Russian movie, and I cannot find any airsoft version of this Beretta gun. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)
+== Saiga-M ==
+the Civil version of AKM is [http://molot.biz/catalog/okholoshchennoe/vpo_911_k_s_u_uchebnyy/|Molot AKM (VPO-911-K)] ? -[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]])  05:23, 27 February 2018 (JST)
+:I have a suspiction that the screen gun is airsoft replica of AKM but cannot prove it. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:36, 26 February 2018 (EST)

Talk:Dead Man's Bluff (Zhmurki): Difference between revisions

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A few more about revolver

Some guess about one of the pistols

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