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::Ah, that could be it indeed. Thanks!--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 00:36, 22 November 2015 (EST) | ::Ah, that could be it indeed. Thanks!--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 00:36, 22 November 2015 (EST) | ||
:::It makes sense because this show takes place in an alternate 1960`s, so the Type 64 still would've still been developed, but under a different name and caliber as the post-war JSDF weapons' Type number refers to the decade and year it went into service using Western dates we are familiar with in our world. In the world of The Man in The High Castle, Japan never lost the war to the allies, so the naming conventions for armaments in Japanese service use the year of Emperor Hirohito's reign, which 1964 equals Showa 39. Therefore the Type 64 must be called Type 39 in The Man in The High Castle's universe, unless it was developed ahead of schedule. I'm wondering if Nazi Germany is replacing their Kar98`s and MP40's with G3`s and MP5`s.--[[User:Swordimpulse07|Swordimpulse07]] ([[User talk:Swordimpulse07|talk]]) 00:56, 22 November 2015 (PST) | |||
::::That would be my analysis too. The Howa 64 would be a bit ahead of schedule in our timeline, but it would fit for the show's alternative. Funny you mention the MP5, because at the same event, you can briefly see German soldiers rushing the crowd with what looks like MP5s with the curved type magazines. --[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 13:25, 22 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::::There are behind the scenes photos showing the soldiers carrying MP5A3s - which in the corresponding period of time in real life, would've been the HK54. [http://yvrshoots.com/2015/04/shoot-the-man-in-the-high-castles-nazi-john-smith-rufus-sewell-films-at-vancouvers-iconic-arthur-erickson-designed-tower.html Here's the link to the photos.]--[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 14:01, 22 November 2015 (EST) | |||
In episode 10, at a checkpoint at the entrance to Hitler's headquarters, a German soldier carries a rifle, that seems to H&K G3A3 or FN FAL. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:41, 26 November 2015 (EST) | |||
[[File:Man in the high castle rifle 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
: Looks like an H&K forend, front sight, and flash-hider, so I'd lean toward the G3 (which for a German solider, would make sense). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:02, 26 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Guns == | |||
Firstly: Thompson in the movie - M1928A1, because they have a vertical charging handle and a box-shaped rear sight. | |||
Secondly: "Remington Model 10" - it seems to Winchester M1912, as Remington M10 no has ejection port on the side. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 09:10, 22 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:Indeed, the Thompson used by the insurgents in the Neutral Zone is a M1928A1. The ones used by the resistance in Episode 2, I'm not so sure either way. I'd have to rewatch the episode.--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 13:22, 22 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::I'm revised the Episode 2. There really M1A1. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 19:03, 22 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::: The M1911 is actually an [[M1911A1]] given the extended beavertail, A1 hammer and curved rear mainspring housing on the grip. The MP5s seem to be [[MP5A3|A3]] versions. The Gewehr 98 has a shorter forend and barrel making me think it's actually a Kar98K. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:46, 22 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Hunting Rifles == | |||
There are at least three hunting rifles seen in the Finale and one in an earlier episode. If screenshots and identification can be made, that would be a good addition.--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 14:53, 24 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::SS Obergruppenführer John Smith's ([[Rufus Sewell]])hunting rifle is a [[Lee-Speed Sporter]].--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2015 (EST) | |||
[[Image:BSA2flat.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Lee-Speed Sporter rifle]] | |||
== Antique guns == | |||
[[File:TMITHCS06 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The pistols on display mounts in "Three Monkeys".]] | |||
From down to up: long-barreled [[Volcanic Repeater]], early XVII century [[Flintlock pistol]] (or XIX-century [[Percussion cap pistol]] ?), XVIII-century [[Flintlock pistol]]. | |||
[[File:MITHC_antique_guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
Also two antique pistols (besides a [[Colt 1860]]) seen in collection of Paul Kasoura in the Episode 7. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:25, 2 December 2015 (EST) | |||
== Third Season == | |||
Just passing along that the third season is now out. Cheers.--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 20:29, 6 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:Watched it over the past two days. It's good. The series is really starting to move out. I am curious to see how they end it, but for now I'm enjoying it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 01:55, 7 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
I'm also watching season 3 and what I noticed in this one and the previous seasons with showcasing the MP5 is no one ever uses it with the stock out. I think they are trying to imitate how Germans have been portrayed with the MP40s without the stocks out, which is inaccurate because in history, they did use the stocks on their guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:10, 7 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I've been binge watching it too. On episode 8 now.--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 18:54, 7 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Season 4 == | |||
Now I'm wondering how AKs were invented in this universe alongside the SVD [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:50, 17 November 2019 (EST) | |||
Yeah me too. There is a throwaway line by one of the Black Communist Rebels that the weapons were smuggled to them by China; which evidently wasn't conquered entirely by the Japanese Empire. Perhaps you are supposed to think that Kalashnikov escaped to China and designed the weapon there. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] ([[User talk:Jcordell|talk]]) 09:46, 18 November 2019 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:13, 11 July 2023
Luger
In the ambush scene in the latest episode ("Sunrise"), I'm pretty sure it is a Luger Smith pulls from his dying driver since his Walther ran dry. Alas, I didn't get a clear shot. --Surv1v4l1st (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2015 (EDT)
Sawed-off Winchester 1887/1901
In episode three ("The Illustrated Woman"), the bounty hunter character appears to be carrying a sawed-off Winchester Winchester 1887/1901. Unfortunately, I didn't get a good screenshot. Just an FYI.--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2015 (EST)
Rifles
A couple of the Japanese guards in S1E4 are armed with:
Can anyone identify the rifle? Thanks.--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 00:12, 22 November 2015 (EST)
- Ah, that could be it indeed. Thanks!--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 00:36, 22 November 2015 (EST)
- It makes sense because this show takes place in an alternate 1960`s, so the Type 64 still would've still been developed, but under a different name and caliber as the post-war JSDF weapons' Type number refers to the decade and year it went into service using Western dates we are familiar with in our world. In the world of The Man in The High Castle, Japan never lost the war to the allies, so the naming conventions for armaments in Japanese service use the year of Emperor Hirohito's reign, which 1964 equals Showa 39. Therefore the Type 64 must be called Type 39 in The Man in The High Castle's universe, unless it was developed ahead of schedule. I'm wondering if Nazi Germany is replacing their Kar98`s and MP40's with G3`s and MP5`s.--Swordimpulse07 (talk) 00:56, 22 November 2015 (PST)
- That would be my analysis too. The Howa 64 would be a bit ahead of schedule in our timeline, but it would fit for the show's alternative. Funny you mention the MP5, because at the same event, you can briefly see German soldiers rushing the crowd with what looks like MP5s with the curved type magazines. --Surv1v4l1st (talk) 13:25, 22 November 2015 (EST)
- There are behind the scenes photos showing the soldiers carrying MP5A3s - which in the corresponding period of time in real life, would've been the HK54. Here's the link to the photos.--Markit (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2015 (EST)
In episode 10, at a checkpoint at the entrance to Hitler's headquarters, a German soldier carries a rifle, that seems to H&K G3A3 or FN FAL. --Slon95 (talk) 18:41, 26 November 2015 (EST)
- Looks like an H&K forend, front sight, and flash-hider, so I'd lean toward the G3 (which for a German solider, would make sense). StanTheMan (talk) 20:02, 26 November 2015 (EST)
Guns
Firstly: Thompson in the movie - M1928A1, because they have a vertical charging handle and a box-shaped rear sight. Secondly: "Remington Model 10" - it seems to Winchester M1912, as Remington M10 no has ejection port on the side. --Slon95 (talk) 09:10, 22 November 2015 (EST)
- Indeed, the Thompson used by the insurgents in the Neutral Zone is a M1928A1. The ones used by the resistance in Episode 2, I'm not so sure either way. I'd have to rewatch the episode.--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2015 (EST)
- The M1911 is actually an M1911A1 given the extended beavertail, A1 hammer and curved rear mainspring housing on the grip. The MP5s seem to be A3 versions. The Gewehr 98 has a shorter forend and barrel making me think it's actually a Kar98K. StanTheMan (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2015 (EST)
Hunting Rifles
There are at least three hunting rifles seen in the Finale and one in an earlier episode. If screenshots and identification can be made, that would be a good addition.--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 14:53, 24 November 2015 (EST)
- SS Obergruppenführer John Smith's (Rufus Sewell)hunting rifle is a Lee-Speed Sporter.--Jcordell (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2015 (EST)
Antique guns
From down to up: long-barreled Volcanic Repeater, early XVII century Flintlock pistol (or XIX-century Percussion cap pistol ?), XVIII-century Flintlock pistol.
Also two antique pistols (besides a Colt 1860) seen in collection of Paul Kasoura in the Episode 7. --Slon95 (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2015 (EST)
Third Season
Just passing along that the third season is now out. Cheers.--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2018 (EDT)
- Watched it over the past two days. It's good. The series is really starting to move out. I am curious to see how they end it, but for now I'm enjoying it. --Jcordell (talk) 01:55, 7 October 2018 (EDT)
I'm also watching season 3 and what I noticed in this one and the previous seasons with showcasing the MP5 is no one ever uses it with the stock out. I think they are trying to imitate how Germans have been portrayed with the MP40s without the stocks out, which is inaccurate because in history, they did use the stocks on their guns. Excalibur01 (talk) 11:10, 7 October 2018 (EDT)
- I've been binge watching it too. On episode 8 now.--Surv1v4l1st (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2018 (EDT)
Season 4
Now I'm wondering how AKs were invented in this universe alongside the SVD Excalibur01 (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2019 (EST)
Yeah me too. There is a throwaway line by one of the Black Communist Rebels that the weapons were smuggled to them by China; which evidently wasn't conquered entirely by the Japanese Empire. Perhaps you are supposed to think that Kalashnikov escaped to China and designed the weapon there. --Jcordell (talk) 09:46, 18 November 2019 (EST)