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==Additional Variants= | __TOC__<br clear=all> | ||
[[Image:M14sagestock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield | |||
[[Image:US M14 Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle).jpg|thumb|none|450px| | =Additional Variants= | ||
[[Image:M1S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A with M1S | [[File:M14 select-fire bipod.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14 select-fire rifle fitted with a bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | ||
[[File:M14MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px| | [[Image:M14sagestock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield M1A in SOPMOD configuration with Parker & Hale bipod - .308 Winchester]] | ||
[[Image:M1A JAE-100.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A with JAE-100 stock - | [[Image:US M14 Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle).jpg|thumb|none|450px|Short-barreled M1A in an EBR Chassis System - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | ||
[[File:Sagem14 09-1-.jpg|450px|thumb|none| | [[Image:M14 ebr cvfs.jpg|none|thumb|450px|M14 EBR with Fixed Synthetic Stock and Butt Pad - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | ||
[[Image:M1S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A with Vltor M1S Stock system - .308 Winchester]] | |||
[[File:M14MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A in a Troy MCS (Modular Chassis System) with EOTech red dot sight and Vltor Modstock - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[File:M1A DT MCS chassis.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A in a Troy MCS (Modular Chassis System) with riflescope, bipod, vertical foregrip and Vltor Modstock - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[Image:M1A JAE-100.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A with JAE-100 G3 stock - .308 Winchester]] | |||
[[File:Sagem14 09-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M14 with Sage stock and scope - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[File:M14ALCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A with Sage stock and scope - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[Image:Sage CA-Mandatory tactical stock.jpg|none|thumb|450px|Sage EBR Chassis System with Sage CA-Mandatory fixed Monte Carlo comb stock]] | |||
[[File:SOCOM 16 CQB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory SOCOM 16 CQB - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[Image:M1A SOCOM II.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM II - 7.62X51mm NATO]] | |||
[[Image:M1ABlack.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1A with synthetic stock - 7.62x51mm]] | |||
[[File:Norinco_M305_Modern.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M305 (Norinco-branded) with synthetic stock - 7.62x51mm NATO. The M305 is a series of Chinese semi-automatic M14 clones manufactured by Factory 356 (now known as Yunnan Xiyi Industrial Co Ltd) and exported by Norinco.]] | |||
==Airsoft Variants== | |||
[[File:Hudson M14 with scope.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Hudson M14 with riflescope.]] | |||
[[File:CYMA CM032A M14 SOCOM.jpg|thumb|none|450px|CYMA CM032A M14 SOCOM. Airsoft version of the M14 rifle.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
The military stopped issuing F/A M14's because they were too hard to control, existing rifles were fixed to fire semi only. | The military stopped issuing F/A M14's because they were too hard to control, existing rifles were fixed to fire semi only. | ||
:Tell that to SOCOM because the Mark 14 is quite capable of FA. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:47, 18 July 2012 (CDT) | :Tell that to SOCOM because the Mark 14 is quite capable of FA. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:47, 18 July 2012 (CDT) | ||
==M14== | ==M14== | ||
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When is a M14 a MK 14 EBR/M39 EMR and when is it just a M14 in Sage chassis? If it's used by the Army and Marines respectively in a movie or game it would be a MK 14 EBR/M39 EMR. But if non-Military persons are using a similar weapon, wouldn't it be a M14 in Sage chassis? I was wondering that when I was looking at the "MK 14 EBR" in [[Last Stand, The#Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR|The Last Stand]]. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:30, 9 September 2015 (EDT) | When is a M14 a MK 14 EBR/M39 EMR and when is it just a M14 in Sage chassis? If it's used by the Army and Marines respectively in a movie or game it would be a MK 14 EBR/M39 EMR. But if non-Military persons are using a similar weapon, wouldn't it be a M14 in Sage chassis? I was wondering that when I was looking at the "MK 14 EBR" in [[Last Stand, The#Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR|The Last Stand]]. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 16:30, 9 September 2015 (EDT) | ||
:A Mk 14 EBR is actually distinguishable from an M14 in a Sage chassis as it has the shorter barrel and different flash hider, which are absent on the ''The Last Stand'' gun meaning that it is not that. To cover what the gun in this film is first, to me I do not think it is actually a military variant at all, but rather a Springfield M1A in a Sage chassis. If you look at [[Media:TLS_Mk14_2.jpg|this cap]] you will see that there is a cut out at the rear of the stock below the rear sight which is empty. On the Mk 14 this would be filled with a selector switch (like [[Media:M14E2SAW.jpg|this]]), and on an M14 EBR-RI or M39 it would have the semi-auto lock (like [[Media:M14Rifle.jpg|this]]). As for when is an M14 in a Sage stock an M39 or M14 EBR-RI, this is a somewhat muddier question. Both of them are just M14s fitted with different parts, so really it would be that if it has all of the necessary parts which make it the correct entire system, then in that case it would be an M39 or M14 EBR-RI. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:22, 9 September 2015 (EDT) | :A Mk 14 EBR is actually distinguishable from an M14 in a Sage chassis as it has the shorter barrel and different flash hider, which are absent on the ''The Last Stand'' gun meaning that it is not that. To cover what the gun in this film is first, to me I do not think it is actually a military variant at all, but rather a Springfield M1A in a Sage chassis. If you look at [[Media:TLS_Mk14_2.jpg|this cap]] you will see that there is a cut out at the rear of the stock below the rear sight which is empty. On the Mk 14 this would be filled with a selector switch (like [[Media:M14E2SAW.jpg|this]]), and on an M14 EBR-RI or M39 it would have the semi-auto lock (like [[Media:M14Rifle.jpg|this]]). As for when is an M14 in a Sage stock an M39 or M14 EBR-RI, this is a somewhat muddier question. Both of them are just M14s fitted with different parts, so really it would be that if it has all of the necessary parts which make it the correct entire system, then in that case it would be an M39 or M14 EBR-RI. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:22, 9 September 2015 (EDT) | ||
== Separate M14 EBR-RI from MK14 == | |||
The M14 EBR-RI and MK14 aren't really related beyond being M14 variants. If anything, the EBR-RI should be in the XM21/M21 category because it was developed to replace the smattering of M14-based DMRs in use by the regular army, while the MK14 was developed per a SEAL request for a general select-fire battle rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:46, 22 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Just to bump that message, any idea on what should be done regarding the EBR-RI? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
::Are there differences mechanically or is it just a designation/service difference? --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
:::The most obvious differences between the two are the Mk 14's selective fire capability and shorter barrel vs the EBR-RI's semi auto only and standard length barrel. Similar reasons why we have the M1A and SOCOM 16 separate from the M14 heading. The M14 EBR-RI is essentially an M21 with an EBR chassis, same as the M39 EMR is an M14 DMR with an EBR chassis. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:36, 4 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
::::OK, I see no problem with the split.--[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 19:48, 4 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:53, 27 April 2023
Additional Variants
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Airsoft Variants
Discussion
The military stopped issuing F/A M14's because they were too hard to control, existing rifles were fixed to fire semi only.
- Tell that to SOCOM because the Mark 14 is quite capable of FA. Spartan198 15:47, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
M14
I don't know what made the founder of IMFDB to use an M14 as part of the logo of IMFDB. I don't know if I could get the M14E2. It's kinda hard to get. - 98.234.123.141 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)(Crysis)
I knew people who used the E2 type stocks on M14s and M1As. They preferred the higher cheek line in service rifle target shooting competition.
M21
That's not an M21, it's an M1A
- It's an M21 now. ~ DK
M14E2
I cut off the bit about it being meant to supplement the B.A.R. it was actually designed to replace it all together.
174.114.87.236 06:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
- And I undid your edit. What counts is how it was fielded. It actually was issued to supplement the M60s which was the GPMG of the American forces, and though it may have been designed to replace the BARs we issued to the ARVNs, the BAR was technically an obsolete weapon already by that time. The M14E2 was to supplement existing BARs in the ARVN. As far as American forces go, BARs were only seen really early in the war on the U.S. Side and primarily by USMC units. By that time the doctrine called for a General Purpose Machine Gun and select fire assault rifles. The BAR no longer fit the US military's goals. MoviePropMaster2008 07:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia claims that the M14E2 was redesignated M14A1 in 1966. Is there any reason we still refer to it as E2? Kadorhal 15:45, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
Congo
How come the m14 that was used in congo isnt on the site
- I haven't seen Congo in years. Was there something special about it? I looked at the screencaps on the Congo page and it doesn't really look particularly unique. Also, sign your posts by putting four tildes (~) at the end. Spartan198 01:08, 18 February 2012 (CST)
EBR Mod 0/1, EMR?
What's the difference between the Mk. 14 Mod 0 and the Mod 1? Is it just that they have different extras attached? Likewise, what's the difference between an EBR and an EMR? As I understood it, an EBR has a shorter barrel, can fire full auto and is generally used by the US Navy, specifically the SEALS, while an EMR has a longer barrel, is semi-auto only and is used by the USMC. Seeing pix like the one further up this page, referring to guns with the longer barrels as EBRs makes me wonder if I've got it right. How do you tell the difference? --Stix
- AR-15 style stocks can be attached to an Mk 14 Mod 1. As far as I know that is the only difference. --bozitojugg3rn4ut 10:40, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
- Additionally, the Mark 14 is selective-fire for semi- or full-auto, whereas the M39 EMR is semi-auto only. Spartan198 15:45, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
- Yeh? That's what I said isn't it? --Stix
- Another slight variation is the early model Mod 0 had a larger railed forearm than is present on current Mod 0 and all Mod 1 model. If you look at the image at the top of this discussion page you can see the early model forearm (the image mislabeled as a SOPMOD), where as the image labeled as TACOM M14 EBR-RI shows the current rail length. Though this can be hard to tell on some of the 18" models where a 16" version (usually a M1A SOCOM) is used to give the same overall look of the older model. Dover500 20:34, 18 July 2012 (CDT)
M21 Pic
The pic under the M21/M25 section is clearly an M1A in an M14 stock, as it's missing its selector switch. --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 02:08, 17 October 2012 (EDT)
Manufacturer?
What company made the original M14? User: 2wingo
- "Initial production contracts for the M14 were awarded to the Springfield Armory, Winchester, and Harrington & Richardson.Thompson-Ramo-Wooldridge Inc. (TRW) would later be awarded a production contract for the rifle as well. 1,376,031 M-14 service rifles were produced from 1959 to 1964." This is all information that can be found on Google. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2012 (EST)
Mk 14 Mod 2
Can anyone tell me, is this: http://www.athenswater.com/images/Mod_2withEBRshoe.jpg the Mk 14 Mod 2 ? --bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 06:57, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
It appears to be, according to my Google-Fu. Spartan198 (talk) 10:17, 6 April 2013 (EDT)
M21 and M25
Are they really just different designations for the same rifle? Every other site from Guns.ru to Wikipedia claims that although based on the M14, they're different rifles. Spartan198 (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2013 (EDT)
- They aren't the exact same rifle, however as far as I know the M25 is pretty much just a PIP version of the M21. In fact, with the original M25 I think the only external difference would be a different scope mount base. The other main difference was that the M25 used a steel liner to bed the receiver into the stock which meant it could be removed for maintenance without loosing zero, and was a lot more resilient than the bedding compound used on M21s. I think that later they started using different stocks with adjustable cheek rest or pistol grips, but this was not consistent across all rifles but more of a unit thing. Now that I think about it, it may be the case that the M25 used a fibreglass stock which would make it visibly different to the M21, but it would have been a McMillan national match stock (not the more "modern" adjustable ones that come up on a Google search) which is pretty much exactly the same shape as the original wood one so would be hard to tell if it was camoed. Also, M21 rifles have been upgraded with new stocks further blurring the line, and the fact that companies currently sell "M21" and "M25" rifles that are out of spec with the original military rifles also adds to the confusion. --commando552 (talk) 07:38, 9 June 2013 (EDT)
The one should you use?
Same image exists. Media:M14EBR.jpg and Media:Mk 14 Mod 0.jpg. I think that there is the same images as a problem. We should erase either? -- KINKI'boy(talk) 23:33, 6 July 2013 (JST)
- Pick one, change all the pages over to it, and we'll delete the unused one. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:06, 15 October 2013 (EDT)
Question
When is a M14 a MK 14 EBR/M39 EMR and when is it just a M14 in Sage chassis? If it's used by the Army and Marines respectively in a movie or game it would be a MK 14 EBR/M39 EMR. But if non-Military persons are using a similar weapon, wouldn't it be a M14 in Sage chassis? I was wondering that when I was looking at the "MK 14 EBR" in The Last Stand. Mr. Wolf (talk) 16:30, 9 September 2015 (EDT)
- A Mk 14 EBR is actually distinguishable from an M14 in a Sage chassis as it has the shorter barrel and different flash hider, which are absent on the The Last Stand gun meaning that it is not that. To cover what the gun in this film is first, to me I do not think it is actually a military variant at all, but rather a Springfield M1A in a Sage chassis. If you look at this cap you will see that there is a cut out at the rear of the stock below the rear sight which is empty. On the Mk 14 this would be filled with a selector switch (like this), and on an M14 EBR-RI or M39 it would have the semi-auto lock (like this). As for when is an M14 in a Sage stock an M39 or M14 EBR-RI, this is a somewhat muddier question. Both of them are just M14s fitted with different parts, so really it would be that if it has all of the necessary parts which make it the correct entire system, then in that case it would be an M39 or M14 EBR-RI. --commando552 (talk) 18:22, 9 September 2015 (EDT)
Separate M14 EBR-RI from MK14
The M14 EBR-RI and MK14 aren't really related beyond being M14 variants. If anything, the EBR-RI should be in the XM21/M21 category because it was developed to replace the smattering of M14-based DMRs in use by the regular army, while the MK14 was developed per a SEAL request for a general select-fire battle rifle. Spartan198 (talk) 13:46, 22 July 2016 (EDT)
- Just to bump that message, any idea on what should be done regarding the EBR-RI? --Ultimate94ninja (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
- Are there differences mechanically or is it just a designation/service difference? --Wuzh (talk) 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)
- The most obvious differences between the two are the Mk 14's selective fire capability and shorter barrel vs the EBR-RI's semi auto only and standard length barrel. Similar reasons why we have the M1A and SOCOM 16 separate from the M14 heading. The M14 EBR-RI is essentially an M21 with an EBR chassis, same as the M39 EMR is an M14 DMR with an EBR chassis. Spartan198 (talk) 03:36, 4 May 2018 (EDT)
- Are there differences mechanically or is it just a designation/service difference? --Wuzh (talk) 20:38, 3 May 2018 (EDT)