Talk:Sheriff's Star (Zvezda sherifa): Difference between revisions
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Talk:Sheriff's Star (Zvezda sherifa): Difference between revisions
It's a different revolver. Thank you about the discovery, by the way - I completely forgot about it. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC+2)
It's a different revolver. Thank you about the discovery, by the way - I completely forgot about it. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 21:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC+2)
:::This one I guess to be a blank-firing revolver, a starter or maybe a gas-firing. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:39, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
:::This one I guess to be a blank-firing revolver, a starter or maybe a gas-firing. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:39, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
Here is a screenshot of my copy of the movie. The revolver is definitely not top-break. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 16:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
[[File:Zsh-Add1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
The idea about the revolver as visually modified Nagant seems very credible for me but I'm not sure if it's the same movie prop that in ''Sposob ubiystva''. In ''Zvezda sherifa'' the revolver seems to lack "vent rib". Or I'm wrong? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:34, 3 December 2015 (EST)
:"Vent rib" it is seen here:
:[[File:Zsh_unk_rvlv_2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]
:Angeli's revolver looks as real snubnose S&W (likely replica, non-firing or gas-firing):
:[[File:Zsh_unksbns_rvlv_3.jpg|thum|none|450px|]]--[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 15:19, 3 December 2015 (EST)
::OK, I agree. Thanks! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:29, 3 December 2015 (EST)
:::I (finally!) reborn this article at the normal and the final version. Also, sorry that I'm earlier so often updating it page without much sense, since it was one of my first articles (while I have not had any experience in their correct spelling), and it originally had a lot of errors and inaccuracies - which I at last corrected. Anyway, I think it was worth it. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:11, 5 February 2016 (EST)
::::A good work! Thanks for identifying of the "dressed" Nagant as the same gun used in ''Novye priklyucheniya yanki...''. It was allways a mystery for me. If we could identify the equally "dressed" machine gun in this movie, then a page can be created. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:14, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:::::About machine gun in ''Novye priklyucheniya yanki...'' - [http://img12.nnm.me/9/4/8/f/e/24ff7b79b0c9ab0357ee6509e09.jpg it's a belt feed system], [http://cs4.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2015-03_6/14274050234399.jpg equepid with the bipod], [http://static.kinokopilka.tv/system/images/screenshots/images/000/132/298/132298_original.jpg and has a fake ''Kushukh'' (I don't know, how this word translate to English)]. I'm not sure, but, it's maybe some German WW2 machine gun. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 08:37, 6 February 2016 (EST)
::::::It was discussed several times, and the best guess is that it is assembled of parts of several different machine guns and various metal junk. An MG42 is one of these parts, at least for the buttstock. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:48, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:::::::This is clearly [[RPD]] (''Perhaps'' mocked up as a SIG MG 710); in particular, with front sight from [[Stg-44]]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 10:49, 6 February 2016 (EST)
::::::::Agree. It has a buttstock reversed upsides down, right? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:35, 6 February 2016 (EST)
:::::::::Buttstock, seems, taken from [[Degtyaryov DPM]]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:28, 9 February 2016 (EST)
Isn't it a [[Bruni Olympic 6]]? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:12, 10 February 2016 (EST)
:No. I've looked at it under all possible angles. It really Rohm. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:28, 10 February 2016 (EST)
::RG-14 has a flat top of the frame while the screen revolver has a raised rear sight, the same as Olympic. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:31, 10 February 2016 (EST)
:::I can not pinpoint the revolver. It may be not Röhm, but obviously not from Bruni series (Bruni is unlikely, as was too much difference from Olympic model, on closer inspection). Front sight and grip, actually can be changed by a factory later, it happens often with Smith and Wesson revolvers, may have happened with RG-14, especially since Röhm's are somewhat cheap and chaotic... In the end, a lot of cheap revolvers were produced in the world, so it's impossible to pinpoint in each film. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 14:03, 10 February 2016 (EST)
::::OK, I would like to try one more, and really a last guess: maybe some [[Arminius HW Revolver Series|Arminius]] model? They all have typical rear sights, like the one of the screen revolver. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2016 (EST)
:::::The thing is, that in the 1990 French movie [[La Femme Nikita]] used exactly the same revolver. I have a strong suspicion that this is actually unusual variant [[Bruni Olympic 5]] with black finish and black grips. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:59, 11 February 2016 (EST)
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The revolver appears to be a visually modified Nagant, similar movie props can be seen in some other Soviet movies of late 1980s. Suppressed PM has an obviously fake suppressor, and the usage of PMs was only due to the lack of handguns, more appropriate for US police. Greg-Z (talk) 13:58, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
No, the fact of the matter is that this is not the Nagant. It's some S&W revolver (it seems, top-break), may S&W Double Action. --Slon95 (talk) 21:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC+2)
The inferior quality of screenshots (VHS, I guess?) doesn't allow to solve this question. But as for me, the revolver may be not a Nagant but it's not a top break. Anyway, I don't insist. I'll try to get this film in better quality. Greg-Z (talk) 15:26, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
Is this is the same revolver? Greg-Z (talk) 15:29, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
No, it's shooting a TV screen (even doubt that this film even possible to find at least on DVD).
It's a different revolver. Thank you about the discovery, by the way - I completely forgot about it. --Slon95 (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC+2)
This one I guess to be a blank-firing revolver, a starter or maybe a gas-firing. Greg-Z (talk) 15:39, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
Here is a screenshot of my copy of the movie. The revolver is definitely not top-break. Greg-Z (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
The idea about the revolver as visually modified Nagant seems very credible for me but I'm not sure if it's the same movie prop that in Sposob ubiystva. In Zvezda sherifa the revolver seems to lack "vent rib". Or I'm wrong? Greg-Z (talk) 14:34, 3 December 2015 (EST)
OK, I agree. Thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 15:29, 3 December 2015 (EST)
I (finally!) reborn this article at the normal and the final version. Also, sorry that I'm earlier so often updating it page without much sense, since it was one of my first articles (while I have not had any experience in their correct spelling), and it originally had a lot of errors and inaccuracies - which I at last corrected. Anyway, I think it was worth it. --Slon95 (talk) 17:11, 5 February 2016 (EST)
A good work! Thanks for identifying of the "dressed" Nagant as the same gun used in Novye priklyucheniya yanki.... It was allways a mystery for me. If we could identify the equally "dressed" machine gun in this movie, then a page can be created. Greg-Z (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2016 (EST)
It was discussed several times, and the best guess is that it is assembled of parts of several different machine guns and various metal junk. An MG42 is one of these parts, at least for the buttstock. Greg-Z (talk) 09:48, 6 February 2016 (EST)
This is clearly RPD (Perhaps mocked up as a SIG MG 710); in particular, with front sight from Stg-44. --Slon95 (talk) 10:49, 6 February 2016 (EST)
Agree. It has a buttstock reversed upsides down, right? Greg-Z (talk) 12:35, 6 February 2016 (EST)
No. I've looked at it under all possible angles. It really Rohm. --Slon95 (talk) 12:28, 10 February 2016 (EST)
RG-14 has a flat top of the frame while the screen revolver has a raised rear sight, the same as Olympic. Greg-Z (talk) 13:31, 10 February 2016 (EST)
I can not pinpoint the revolver. It may be not Röhm, but obviously not from Bruni series (Bruni is unlikely, as was too much difference from Olympic model, on closer inspection). Front sight and grip, actually can be changed by a factory later, it happens often with Smith and Wesson revolvers, may have happened with RG-14, especially since Röhm's are somewhat cheap and chaotic... In the end, a lot of cheap revolvers were produced in the world, so it's impossible to pinpoint in each film. --Slon95 (talk) 14:03, 10 February 2016 (EST)
OK, I would like to try one more, and really a last guess: maybe some Arminius model? They all have typical rear sights, like the one of the screen revolver. Greg-Z (talk) 16:16, 10 February 2016 (EST)
The thing is, that in the 1990 French movie La Femme Nikita used exactly the same revolver. I have a strong suspicion that this is actually unusual variant Bruni Olympic 5 with black finish and black grips. --Slon95 (talk) 08:59, 11 February 2016 (EST)
