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Please help ID (07 Jun 16)

Please help ID the weapon onscreen. The game is supposedly Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare. --Ben41 (talk) 18:21, 7 June 2016 (EDT)

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To begin with, lol at advanced warfare being in the movie. Secondly, go here--AnActualAK47 (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2016 (EDT)

It's the ASM1 with a Red Dot Sight (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dsvchHIlfnM/maxresdefault.jpg). Not sure if we should list it, considering it's fictional.--Quarax (talk) 22:51, 7 June 2016 (EDT)

^This. It's a fictional weapon, no need to make an entry.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 11:50, 8 June 2016 (EDT)

Seriously? There's scene where the guy watches Tropic Thunder and you point out Call of Duty? Excalibur01 (talk) 12:29, 8 June 2016 (EDT)

Tropic Thunder came out in 2008. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:40, 8 June 2016 (EDT)

I know. I was just pointing out how sorta weird placement of that movie within a movie thing is and all this guy can point out is Call of Duty. Nobody noticed a guy reading Joseph Campbell? Excalibur01 (talk) 12:49, 8 June 2016 (EDT)

Also Anachronistic as hell since COD Advanced Warfare came out in 2014. Now if it was Modern Warfare 3, I'd believe it since Black Ops 2 hasn't come out yet in Sept 11, 2012 but in the same year....What's his face, the Ambassador's aide in the compound before the attack was playing the underwater level of COD Ghost. Excalibur01 (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2016 (EDT)

Please help ID. --Ben41 (talk) 01:09, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

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Rifle on the left.

M110 SASS maybe? --Charon68 (talk) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT) This is an HK417--CFS01 (talk) 15:05, 3 September 2015 (EDT)

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PKM? --Charon68 (talk) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

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I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd gen Glock, an intermediate variant, a Glock 19 or quite possibly a Glock 23, though the slide looks a bit off (could be some kind of custom slide). The other pistol looks like the SIG P226R mentioned on the page. StanTheMan (talk) 23:50, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

That would be in keeping with these guys being former SEALs. --Charon68 (talk) 04:54, 14 August 2015 (EDT)

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AR looks like a Salient Arms AR15 with their Jailbreak muzzle attachment

The Book

Just finished the book this movie is based on. The only weapons mentioned (clearly) are M4s, AKs, PKMs and a belt fed machine gun, carried by the GRS operators, that is only described as being 22lbs. with a 200 round belt so I am guessing it is/was an M249 variant. Oh and not that it's germain to the topic of this site but 'Jack Silva' is actually a pseudonym...the real guy chose anonymity when the book was being written in collaboration with the Annex Security Team. --Charon68 (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2015 (EDT)

Also weren't some of these guys Navy SEALs? I know guys in the services will always distinguish being called a Soldier, a Marine, a Sailor and an Airman. They don't like or want the one term for all guys who serve to be thrown around and consider misidentification a bit insulting. Excalibur01 (talk) 21:31, 4 November 2015 (EST)

Two of the Annex Security team members were former SEALs, three were former Marines and one was a former Ranger. One member of the 'relief' force was also a former SEAL and the others were active duty SOF. But these guys, strictly speaking, were not CIA. They were members of the Global Response Staff which, while made up of some CIA staffers, is usually comprised of former SOF operators who act as security for intelligence outposts and diplomats. My guess is the creation of that group was due to the fall from grace of Blackwater and other PMCs. --Charon68 (talk) 20:15, 5 November 2015 (EST)

Saw it tonight

Pretty intense movie. A few things that stood out were that the M4s appeared to have correct A2 flash hiders judging by their muzzle flashes, there were two Deltas with suppressed HK416 D10RS, during one scene in a market a merchant is briefly seen holding up an AKMSU with the original thumbhole forestock, and in the same scene was shown a Beretta PM12S. The Daesh militants also used mortars I couldn't ID to bombard the annex. Spartan198 (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2016 (EST)

I'm pretty sure they weren't ISIS, rather the north African Al-Qaeda cell.AgentGumby (talk) 11:13, 15 January 2016 (EST)

Then the production goofed, because they were flying Daesh's current black standard.Spartan198 (talk) 13:09, 15 January 2016 (EST)

Almost close to reality when all the AST members with assault rifle fired them in semi-automatic. And Tig have a difficulty taking out the technical until he calculated the range correctly.Alex Vostox (talk)

In the scene with the Beretta PM12s at the arms bazaar there was also a FN F2000. --Insertjjs (talk) 16:21, 7 February 2016 (EST)

Watching it again on DTV Cinema. The intro has some good shots of F-16s. Should we include their M61 cannon? Spartan198 (talk) 19:20, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Does Michael Bay got sponsored by Salient Arms International?

I don't mind when Transformers: Age of Extinction science-fiction got a load of Salient Arms International product placement but this? Its like when Baretta tries to convince us that the US Navy SEAL in Lone Survivor used Baretta M9 as their official sidearm. Does the operator involved in Benghazi Attack really used Salient Arms International product during actual attack? Alex Vostox (talk)

It did kinda bothered me that these really expensive guns are in this movie. Unless the contractor company the guys technically work under issued them really expensive hardware, I kinda don't believe it Excalibur01 (talk) 22:31, 24 January 2016 (EST)

According to the Feb.issue of Guns & Ammo, the anwer is no:"...Micheal Bay...wanted to show these guys were always looking to improve their kit...We wanted to have some really visually unique pieces in the film." The article is quoting Harry Humphries, the film's armorer.--Tecolote (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2016 (EST)

Look at it this way - it's a way to visually identify a certain character, especially when you have a bunch of guys with beards running around with helmets and body armor and carrying almost identical weapons. Rone's weapons were probably chosen as a way to make him stand out, especially considering he was the leader of the response team. --DeltaOne (talk) 03:59, 25 January 2016 (EST)

So I'm the only one who can actually tell these guys apart and not because of their weapons? Excalibur01 (talk) 20:15, 25 January 2016 (EST)

Doubt you're the only one. The explanation I gave I actually saw here in another article (can't remember which one) where a character was described as being given a certain weapon as a form of standing out from the other castmembers. Or something along those lines. --DeltaOne (talk) 06:14, 27 January 2016 (EST)

Yeah, it's to make someone stand out. Basically, the modern equivalent of the Atlantean Sword in Conan the Barbarian or the fancy sword used by Achilles in Troy. Spartan198 (talk) 19:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

I also changed the AR-15 part a little bit. Apparently SAI calls this specific variant the "GRY rifle". The Jailbreak muzzle brake and that rail was only developed in 2015, so I added the anachronism part for just this rifle Excalibur01 (talk) 22:44, 25 January 2016 (EST)

So I've been talking directly with the guys at Salient Arms about this and they said Micheal Bay's people went to them directly for that specific rifle because it's the new hotness and that they've been developing that specific Jailbreak Muzzle brake for a few years now though I think they aren't disagreeing that it is highly unlikely for the characters in the film to get their hands on it before it came to market Excalibur01 (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

HK417

What's with the replacement of the screen-used gun image with a stock one? Spartan198 (talk) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (EST)

No clue, i think there was a pic of it on the talk page for the 416/417 before but it's gone too. Maybe there was some legal trouble or something? Or maybe it wasn't the actual gun. Sure looked like it was the screen-used variant.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 17:33, 25 January 2016 (EST)

The image was uploaded by somebody from the armourers for the film, however he has had to remove it: "It is our image and rifle but production have asked that we remove it for the time being." --commando552 (talk) 04:47, 26 January 2016 (EST)

The last pic on the 417 entry, is that a rubber prob?--AnActualAK47 (talk) 14:10, 26 January 2016 (EST)

I don't think so, there are several aspects of it which are generally impossible to do on a rubber casting. For example, the gap around the stock where it slides over the buffer tube wouldn't be there on a solid casting. Also, with the handguard you can see that it is correctly free floating around the barrel and gas block and the vent holes are still open, again something which wouldn't generally be the case with a stunt rubber casting. --commando552 (talk) 05:12, 27 January 2016 (EST)

There was something about the finish that made me think it was a rubber prop, but looking closer it's clearly the real deal.--AnActualAK47 (talk) 08:15, 27 January 2016 (EST)

APS Underwater Rifle

A character is seen playing Call of Duty: Ghosts, and the weapon seen used in the game is the APS Underwater Rifle. In reality, Ghosts was not released until 2013, one year following the Benghazi attack. The latest Call of Duty game that was available at the time was Modern Warfare 3.

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APS Underwater Rifle - 5.6x39mm MPS

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-== Please help ID ==
+== Please help ID (07 Jun 16) ==
+Please help ID the weapon onscreen.  The game is supposedly ''[[Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare]]''. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 18:21, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
+[[File:13H 29.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+:To begin with, lol at advanced warfare being in the movie. Secondly, go [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Advanced_Warfare here]--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 18:41, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
+::It's the ASM1 with a Red Dot Sight (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dsvchHIlfnM/maxresdefault.jpg). Not sure if we should list it, considering it's fictional.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 22:51, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
+:::^This. It's a fictional weapon, no need to make an entry.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 11:50, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
+::Seriously? There's scene where the guy watches Tropic Thunder and you point out Call of Duty? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:29, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
+:::''Tropic Thunder'' came out in 2008. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:40, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
+:::::I know. I was just pointing out how sorta weird placement of that movie within a movie thing is and all this guy can point out is Call of Duty. Nobody noticed a guy reading Joseph Campbell? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:49, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
+::Also Anachronistic as hell since COD Advanced Warfare came out in 2014. Now if it was Modern Warfare 3, I'd believe it since Black Ops 2 hasn't come out yet in Sept 11, 2012 but in the same year....What's his face, the Ambassador's aide in the compound before the attack was playing the underwater level of COD Ghost. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:31, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
 Please help ID. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:09, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
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 [[File:13H 318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rifle on the left.]]
 [[Knight's Armament SR-25|M110 SASS]] maybe? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
+This is an HK417--[[User:CFS01|CFS01]] ([[User talk:CFS01|talk]]) 15:05, 3 September 2015 (EDT)
 [[File:13H 315.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
 [[PK Machine Gun|PKM]]? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 06:46, 29 July 2015 (EDT)
 [[File:13H 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+I'm pretty sure that's a 3rd gen Glock, an intermediate variant, a [[Glock 19]] or quite possibly a [[Glock 23]], though the slide looks a bit off (could be some kind of custom slide). The other pistol looks like the SIG P226R mentioned on the page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 23:50, 13 August 2015 (EDT)
+:That would be in keeping with these guys being former SEALs. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 04:54, 14 August 2015 (EDT)
 [[File:13H 326.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+AR looks like a Salient Arms AR15 with their Jailbreak muzzle attachment
 == The Book ==
 Just finished the book this movie is based on.  The only weapons mentioned (clearly) are M4s, AKs, PKMs and a belt fed machine gun, carried by the GRS operators, that is only described as being 22lbs. with a 200 round belt so I am guessing it is/was an M249 variant. Oh and not that it's germain to the topic of this site but 'Jack Silva' is actually a pseudonym...the real guy chose anonymity when the book was being written in collaboration with the Annex Security Team. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 19:49, 13 August 2015 (EDT)
+Also weren't some of these guys Navy SEALs? I know guys in the services will always distinguish being called a Soldier, a Marine, a Sailor and an Airman. They don't like or want the one term for all guys who serve to be thrown around and consider misidentification a bit insulting. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:31, 4 November 2015 (EST)
+:Two of the Annex Security team members were former SEALs, three were former Marines and one was a former Ranger.  One member of the 'relief' force was also a former SEAL and the others were active duty SOF.  But these guys, strictly speaking, were not CIA.  They were members of the Global Response Staff which, while made up of some CIA staffers, is usually comprised of former SOF operators who act as security for intelligence outposts and diplomats.  My guess is the creation of that group was due to the fall from grace of Blackwater and other PMCs.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 20:15, 5 November 2015 (EST)
+== Saw it tonight ==
+Pretty intense movie. A few things that stood out were that the M4s appeared to have correct A2 flash hiders judging by their muzzle flashes, there were two Deltas with suppressed HK416 D10RS, during one scene in a market a merchant is briefly seen holding up an AKMSU with the original thumbhole forestock, and in the same scene was shown a Beretta PM12S. The Daesh militants also used mortars I couldn't ID to bombard the annex. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 04:11, 15 January 2016 (EST)
+:I'm pretty sure they weren't ISIS, rather the north African Al-Qaeda cell.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 11:13, 15 January 2016 (EST)
+::Then the production goofed, because they were flying Daesh's current black standard.[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:09, 15 January 2016 (EST)
+::: Almost close to reality when all the AST members with assault rifle fired them in semi-automatic. And Tig have a difficulty taking out the technical until he calculated the range correctly.[[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
+::In the scene with the Beretta PM12s at the arms bazaar there was also a FN F2000. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]] ([[User talk:Insertjjs|talk]]) 16:21, 7 February 2016 (EST)
+Watching it again on DTV Cinema. The intro has some good shots of F-16s. Should we include their M61 cannon? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:20, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
+==Does Michael Bay got sponsored by Salient Arms International?==
+I don't mind when Transformers: Age of Extinction science-fiction got a load of Salient Arms International product placement but this? Its like when Baretta tries to convince us that the US Navy SEAL in Lone Survivor used Baretta M9 as their official sidearm. Does the operator involved in Benghazi Attack really used Salient Arms International product during actual attack? [[User:Alex Vostox|Alex Vostox]] ([[User talk:Alex Vostox|talk]])
+It did kinda bothered me that these really expensive guns are in this movie. Unless the contractor company the guys technically work under issued them really expensive hardware, I kinda don't believe it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:31, 24 January 2016 (EST)
+According to the Feb.issue of Guns & Ammo, the anwer is no:"...Micheal Bay...wanted to show these guys were always looking to improve their kit...We wanted to have some really visually unique pieces in the film." The article is quoting Harry Humphries, the film's armorer.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 22:44, 24 January 2016 (EST)
+Look at it this way - it's a way to visually identify a certain character, especially when you have a bunch of guys with beards running around with helmets and body armor and carrying almost identical weapons. Rone's weapons were probably chosen as a way to make him stand out, especially considering he was the leader of the response team. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 03:59, 25 January 2016 (EST)
+So I'm the only one who can actually tell these guys apart and not because of their weapons? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:15, 25 January 2016 (EST)
+::Doubt you're the only one. The explanation I gave I actually saw here in another article (can't remember which one) where a character was described as being given a certain weapon as a form of standing out from the other castmembers. Or something along those lines. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 06:14, 27 January 2016 (EST)
+:::Yeah, it's to make someone stand out. Basically, the modern equivalent of the Atlantean Sword in Conan the Barbarian or the fancy sword used by Achilles in Troy. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:26, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
+I also changed the AR-15 part a little bit. Apparently SAI calls this specific variant the "GRY rifle". The Jailbreak muzzle brake and that rail was only developed in 2015, so I added the anachronism part for just this rifle [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:44, 25 January 2016 (EST)
+So I've been talking directly with the guys at Salient Arms about this and they said Micheal Bay's people went to them directly for that specific rifle because it's the new hotness and that they've been developing that specific Jailbreak Muzzle brake for a few years now though I think they aren't disagreeing that it is highly unlikely for the characters in the film to get their hands on it before it came to market [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:20, 14 June 2016 (EDT)
+== HK417 ==
+What's with the replacement of the screen-used gun image with a stock one? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:38, 25 January 2016 (EST)
+:No clue, i think there was a pic of it on the talk page for the 416/417 before but it's gone too. Maybe there was some legal trouble or something? Or maybe it wasn't the actual gun. Sure looked like it was the screen-used variant.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 17:33, 25 January 2016 (EST)
+::The image was uploaded by somebody from the armourers for the film, however he has had to remove it: "It is our image and rifle but production have asked that we remove it for the time being."  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:47, 26 January 2016 (EST)
+:::The last pic on the 417 entry, is that a rubber prob?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 14:10, 26 January 2016 (EST)
+::::I don't think so, there are several aspects of it which are generally impossible to do on a rubber casting. For example, the gap around the stock where it slides over the buffer tube wouldn't be there on a solid casting. Also, with the handguard you can see that it is correctly free floating around the barrel and gas block and the vent holes are still open, again something which wouldn't generally be the case with a stunt rubber casting. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:12, 27 January 2016 (EST)
+:::::There was something about the finish that made me think it was a rubber prop, but looking closer it's clearly the real deal.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:15, 27 January 2016 (EST)
+==APS Underwater Rifle==
+A character is seen playing ''[[Call of Duty: Ghosts]]'', and the weapon seen used in the game is the [[Call_of_Duty:_Ghosts#APS_Underwater_Rifle|APS Underwater Rifle]]. In reality, ''Ghosts'' was not released until 2013, one year following the Benghazi attack. The latest ''Call of Duty'' game that was available at the time was ''Modern Warfare 3''.
+[[Image:APSunderwater.jpg|thumb|none|400px|APS Underwater Rifle - 5.6x39mm MPS]]

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