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The first rifle is no way a Snider. It's bolt action while [[Snider-Enfield Rifle|Snider rifles]] had external hammer and latch-locking breech block. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:10, 18 July 2015 (EDT) | The first rifle is no way a Snider. It's bolt action while [[Snider-Enfield Rifle|Snider rifles]] had external hammer and latch-locking breech block. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:10, 18 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
:I'm sorry. But how do you think - what is this rifle. Many times it's clearly seen. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 12:47, 18 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
::I have no idea. The shape and position of the bolt and bolt handle doesn't match any of the rifles that fit the place and time. In any case, the shape of the stock allows to guess that it's a military rifle, converted for hunting. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:12, 18 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::Maybi it's Danish Mauser M52 (book of Alexandr B. Zhuk, 10-7, in my book it's page 577). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:19, 18 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::The shape of the bolt looks different from Danish M52. More XIX-century style, as for me. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:32, 18 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::Looks like a sporterised Type 13 Murata. [http://www.militaryrifles.com/Japan/Murata13.htm Here] is a site with a load of pictures of an original military Type 13 Murata and you will see that the [http://www.militaryrifles.com/Japan/IMG_6193.JPG bolt] is rather distinctive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:45, 27 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
::::::[http://www.gunauction.com/buy/5842730 Here] is a sporter Murata chambered for an unknown (to the seller) smoothbore/shotgun cartridge where the resemblance to these movie guns is more obvious. [http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12441477 Here] are a few more Murata based shotguns (apparently commercially manufactured for the American market) but they are based on the slightly different Type 18 action. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:55, 27 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Found one more bit of info, apparently what they did was take old Muratas chambered in 11×60mmR Murata and bored them out to what is called "No.30 gauge". This is a shotgun shell that is basically an 11mm Murata case without the bottleneck, and it was also apparently used to fire a plain lead ball making it in effect a cartridge fed musket. Some of these were built from old rifles whilst others were from scratch (in the latter case using more normal shotgun gaugeslike 32 or 28). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:09, 27 July 2015 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:09, 27 July 2015
The first rifle is no way a Snider. It's bolt action while Snider rifles had external hammer and latch-locking breech block. Greg-Z (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- I'm sorry. But how do you think - what is this rifle. Many times it's clearly seen. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:47, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- I have no idea. The shape and position of the bolt and bolt handle doesn't match any of the rifles that fit the place and time. In any case, the shape of the stock allows to guess that it's a military rifle, converted for hunting. Greg-Z (talk) 13:12, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- Maybi it's Danish Mauser M52 (book of Alexandr B. Zhuk, 10-7, in my book it's page 577). Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- The shape of the bolt looks different from Danish M52. More XIX-century style, as for me. Greg-Z (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- Looks like a sporterised Type 13 Murata. Here is a site with a load of pictures of an original military Type 13 Murata and you will see that the bolt is rather distinctive. --commando552 (talk) 12:45, 27 July 2015 (EDT)
- Here is a sporter Murata chambered for an unknown (to the seller) smoothbore/shotgun cartridge where the resemblance to these movie guns is more obvious. Here are a few more Murata based shotguns (apparently commercially manufactured for the American market) but they are based on the slightly different Type 18 action. --commando552 (talk) 12:55, 27 July 2015 (EDT)
- Found one more bit of info, apparently what they did was take old Muratas chambered in 11×60mmR Murata and bored them out to what is called "No.30 gauge". This is a shotgun shell that is basically an 11mm Murata case without the bottleneck, and it was also apparently used to fire a plain lead ball making it in effect a cartridge fed musket. Some of these were built from old rifles whilst others were from scratch (in the latter case using more normal shotgun gaugeslike 32 or 28). --commando552 (talk) 13:09, 27 July 2015 (EDT)
- Here is a sporter Murata chambered for an unknown (to the seller) smoothbore/shotgun cartridge where the resemblance to these movie guns is more obvious. Here are a few more Murata based shotguns (apparently commercially manufactured for the American market) but they are based on the slightly different Type 18 action. --commando552 (talk) 12:55, 27 July 2015 (EDT)
- Looks like a sporterised Type 13 Murata. Here is a site with a load of pictures of an original military Type 13 Murata and you will see that the bolt is rather distinctive. --commando552 (talk) 12:45, 27 July 2015 (EDT)
- The shape of the bolt looks different from Danish M52. More XIX-century style, as for me. Greg-Z (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- Maybi it's Danish Mauser M52 (book of Alexandr B. Zhuk, 10-7, in my book it's page 577). Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
- I have no idea. The shape and position of the bolt and bolt handle doesn't match any of the rifles that fit the place and time. In any case, the shape of the stock allows to guess that it's a military rifle, converted for hunting. Greg-Z (talk) 13:12, 18 July 2015 (EDT)
