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[[Special:Contributions/80.251.195.103|80.251.195.103]] 21:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC) | [[Special:Contributions/80.251.195.103|80.251.195.103]] 21:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, it's seen clearly. Here's a picture (a tiny one) from when he has the gun to Detective Mills' head: | |||
:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sIjo18cOKDU/SIDJGx7Cc8I/AAAAAAAAAeQ/v6ikn615IEo/s320/Se7en+(16).jpg | |||
:You can see it has the frame-mounted safety, which characterizes Taurus PT92-series pistols, rather than the slide-mounted safety of the Beretta 92F. Although the rear sight seems pretty tall, so it's possible it might actually be the similar Taurus PT99 (which has adjustable sights). But again, definitely a Taurus-type 9mm. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Good Movie== | |||
Saw it on uncut TV (the only good way to watch a movie on TV), the ending is a real shocker, the story is very good. | |||
I really liked what Det. Mills (Brad Pitt) said to John Doe in the car: | |||
"I've been trying to figure something in my head, and maybe you can help me out, yeah? When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading "Guns and Ammo", masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, "Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"? Yeah. Do you guys do that?" | |||
Obviously not a main page worthy quote but still funny. I think Pitt's 1911 is awesome too. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] | |||
==Additional Screenshots== | |||
[[Image:Seven-G17-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' <font color="white"> Officers at the police station aim their Glock 17s at John Doe when he surrenders himself. </font color="white">.]] | |||
==Mill's Springfield 1911== | |||
Is it just me but don't you think Detective Mill's Custom Springfield 1911 pistol is a tade too much for a regular homicide Deterctive? Mill's 1911 is a weapon he should be using either as SWAT or Narcotics officer. A standered Glock, Sig or Beretta would seem more logical. Unless Mill's actually thinks he'll see more action and use his Custom Springfiels 1911 working in Homicide. - [[User:Choi117|Choi117]] | |||
:I think using an older weapon like an M1911 added to the film noir-ish feel to the movie. And besides, a Glock, Sig or Beretta wouldn't be that much smaller if you're just talking size. It just seems to me that there might be legal implications to allowing a cop to use an SA sidearm. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
'''I can understand your point, but since he's a detective and no longer on patrol that doesn't mean he has to give up his firearm of choice for something more compact or for something more "regular". Also, Mills might not wanted to give up his 1911 since he is so comfortable with it and doesn't want to start over with a different firearm. [[User:Shadow45]] | |||
''' | |||
What does him thinking he'll see more action have to do with his weapon choice of a 1911? Being in "more action" he would have chosen a glock or a sig for higher capasity and way way way better reliablity. The 1911 is not the best choice for a duty weapon but it does have a flashy and historical personality to it that a cool guy detective might crave for vanity reasons, his character is no Jeff Cooper so I say the weapon choice is for cosmetic reasons and not practical reasoning.[[Spades of Columbia]] | |||
Well for starters 1911 is .45 ACP which has greater stopping power than 9mms. And you say that they are more reliable I will dispute that because where a Glock is designed to be a law enforcement weapon the 1911 was intended to be a combat weapon, a combat weapon is something I would choose, I would never use a Glock if I had a choice of firearms, but that is just my personal preference. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:47, 10 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
I think David Fincher chose such sidearms to metaphorically represent their owner's qualities; Somerset having the standard issue six shot revolver whilst Mill's has the new custom 1911 with full modifications. having a customized pistol for mill's shows that he wants to stand out from the rest of the cops, just a thought though. --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 15:17, 12 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:That's probably the case, Fincher is a very thoughtful director. -protoAuthor 06:52, 17 November 2015 (EST) | |||
== Spoilers == | |||
I've removed the white-print spoilers from the two M1911 pics: while I don't mind necessary spoilers and most people know how this movie ends anyway, I don't think it's really necessary to describe the ending in a caption of that image; with the spoilers removed, it at least leaves the possibility that Mills just fires a shot at the ground in frustration. Also, am I right in thinking in the alternate ending Somerset shoots Doe before Mills can? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:16, 13 July 2011 (CDT) | |||
== Spoilers II == | |||
Does anyone know how to put a black bar on John Doe's face? The filmmakers went to great lengths to keep his identity a secret until the right time. --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 12:51, 26 November 2011 (CST) | |||
:Don't be ridiculous. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:02, 26 November 2011 (CST) | |||
I still think that it is important, because John Doe's identity leads to the suspense of the film. I could try to get a new screenshot for the Glock 17 section. Let's at least keep his name out of the text. Ok? --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 10:36, 24 December 2011 (CST) | |||
The particular photo was removed from the main page due to the fact that it reveals the spoiler and it's not needed to identify the weapons. There's already another non-spoiler picture there from the scene and so the other photo doesn't need to be doctored. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 12:48, 24 December 2011 (CST) | |||
== Max Payne Influence? == | |||
SPOILERS. Does anyone else think that the character Mills is a possible inspiration for Max Payne. These are my reasons for this thought: | |||
-Mills is a Detective in a New York style city, Max is a Detective in New York city. | |||
-They both dress very similarly, A leather jacket, tie, button up long sleeved shirt, similar pants, and same hair length | |||
-Lastly both of them have their wife and child killed(I know that mills kid wasn't born yet, but Max's kid was just recently born so I think it fits). | |||
Just some thoughts of mine.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|1911isthebestgunever]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 01:56, 2 December 2012 (EST) | |||
Both are Neo-Noir archetypes, evolutions of the Private Eye of Humprey Bogart and the likes.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 02:07, 2 December 2012 (EST) | |||
Max Payne debuted 3 or 4 years after this film was released. There is no Max Payne influence on Mills character.--[[User:James3|James3]] ([[User talk:James3|talk]]) 14:08, 17 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I think he means the other way around. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:13, 17 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 11:52, 17 November 2015
About the PT 92
Is John Doe's sidearm ever seen clearly enough that it is possible to say that it is a Taurus PT 92, and not a Beretta 92?
80.251.195.103 21:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's seen clearly. Here's a picture (a tiny one) from when he has the gun to Detective Mills' head:
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- You can see it has the frame-mounted safety, which characterizes Taurus PT92-series pistols, rather than the slide-mounted safety of the Beretta 92F. Although the rear sight seems pretty tall, so it's possible it might actually be the similar Taurus PT99 (which has adjustable sights). But again, definitely a Taurus-type 9mm. -MT2008 16:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Good Movie
Saw it on uncut TV (the only good way to watch a movie on TV), the ending is a real shocker, the story is very good.
I really liked what Det. Mills (Brad Pitt) said to John Doe in the car:
"I've been trying to figure something in my head, and maybe you can help me out, yeah? When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading "Guns and Ammo", masturbating in your own feces, do you just stop and go, "Wow! It is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"? Yeah. Do you guys do that?"
Obviously not a main page worthy quote but still funny. I think Pitt's 1911 is awesome too. - Gunmaster45
Additional Screenshots
Mill's Springfield 1911
Is it just me but don't you think Detective Mill's Custom Springfield 1911 pistol is a tade too much for a regular homicide Deterctive? Mill's 1911 is a weapon he should be using either as SWAT or Narcotics officer. A standered Glock, Sig or Beretta would seem more logical. Unless Mill's actually thinks he'll see more action and use his Custom Springfiels 1911 working in Homicide. - Choi117
- I think using an older weapon like an M1911 added to the film noir-ish feel to the movie. And besides, a Glock, Sig or Beretta wouldn't be that much smaller if you're just talking size. It just seems to me that there might be legal implications to allowing a cop to use an SA sidearm. --funkychinaman 16:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
I can understand your point, but since he's a detective and no longer on patrol that doesn't mean he has to give up his firearm of choice for something more compact or for something more "regular". Also, Mills might not wanted to give up his 1911 since he is so comfortable with it and doesn't want to start over with a different firearm. User:Shadow45
What does him thinking he'll see more action have to do with his weapon choice of a 1911? Being in "more action" he would have chosen a glock or a sig for higher capasity and way way way better reliablity. The 1911 is not the best choice for a duty weapon but it does have a flashy and historical personality to it that a cool guy detective might crave for vanity reasons, his character is no Jeff Cooper so I say the weapon choice is for cosmetic reasons and not practical reasoning.Spades of Columbia
Well for starters 1911 is .45 ACP which has greater stopping power than 9mms. And you say that they are more reliable I will dispute that because where a Glock is designed to be a law enforcement weapon the 1911 was intended to be a combat weapon, a combat weapon is something I would choose, I would never use a Glock if I had a choice of firearms, but that is just my personal preference. --cool-breeze 15:47, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
I think David Fincher chose such sidearms to metaphorically represent their owner's qualities; Somerset having the standard issue six shot revolver whilst Mill's has the new custom 1911 with full modifications. having a customized pistol for mill's shows that he wants to stand out from the rest of the cops, just a thought though. --Pistolpete 15:17, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
- That's probably the case, Fincher is a very thoughtful director. -protoAuthor 06:52, 17 November 2015 (EST)
Spoilers
I've removed the white-print spoilers from the two M1911 pics: while I don't mind necessary spoilers and most people know how this movie ends anyway, I don't think it's really necessary to describe the ending in a caption of that image; with the spoilers removed, it at least leaves the possibility that Mills just fires a shot at the ground in frustration. Also, am I right in thinking in the alternate ending Somerset shoots Doe before Mills can? Evil Tim 13:16, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
Spoilers II
Does anyone know how to put a black bar on John Doe's face? The filmmakers went to great lengths to keep his identity a secret until the right time. --Yo dawg 111 12:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)
- Don't be ridiculous. Evil Tim 13:02, 26 November 2011 (CST)
I still think that it is important, because John Doe's identity leads to the suspense of the film. I could try to get a new screenshot for the Glock 17 section. Let's at least keep his name out of the text. Ok? --Yo dawg 111 10:36, 24 December 2011 (CST)
The particular photo was removed from the main page due to the fact that it reveals the spoiler and it's not needed to identify the weapons. There's already another non-spoiler picture there from the scene and so the other photo doesn't need to be doctored. --Ben41 12:48, 24 December 2011 (CST)
Max Payne Influence?
SPOILERS. Does anyone else think that the character Mills is a possible inspiration for Max Payne. These are my reasons for this thought:
-Mills is a Detective in a New York style city, Max is a Detective in New York city.
-They both dress very similarly, A leather jacket, tie, button up long sleeved shirt, similar pants, and same hair length
-Lastly both of them have their wife and child killed(I know that mills kid wasn't born yet, but Max's kid was just recently born so I think it fits).
Just some thoughts of mine.--1911isthebestgunever (talk) 01:56, 2 December 2012 (EST)
Both are Neo-Noir archetypes, evolutions of the Private Eye of Humprey Bogart and the likes.--Dillinger (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2012 (EST)
Max Payne debuted 3 or 4 years after this film was released. There is no Max Payne influence on Mills character.--James3 (talk) 14:08, 17 August 2013 (EDT)
- I think he means the other way around. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2013 (EDT)