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==International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol== | ==International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol== | ||
An [[International Ordnance MP2]] machine pistol is used by Kaminski during the casino shootout. The International Ordance MP2 had a front grip that doubled as an extra mag holder. This portion has evidently been removed for the film. The pistol is basically a shortened STEN tube with a magwell/pistol grip very similar to that of an M-11/9mm smg | An [[International Ordnance MP2]] machine pistol is used by Kaminski during the casino shootout. The International Ordance MP2 had a front grip that doubled as an extra mag holder. This portion has evidently been removed for the film. The pistol is basically a shortened STEN tube with a magwell/pistol grip very similar to that of an M-11/9mm smg. The muzzle brake aids with control on full auto fire mode, especially helpful when the foregrip was removed. | ||
[[Image:InternationalOrdnanceMP2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum]] | [[Image:InternationalOrdnanceMP2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum]] | ||
[[Image:Iomp2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum]] | [[Image:Iomp2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol, 9x19mm Parabellum]] | ||
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[[Image:RawDeal 015.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky opens fire on the mobsters with his MP2.]] | [[Image:RawDeal 015.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky opens fire on the mobsters with his MP2.]] | ||
==(Fake) Uzi== | ==(Fake) Uzi (MAC-10)== | ||
The mobsters are also seen wielding submachine guns that might appear at first to be [[Uzi]]s (some with fixed wooden buttstocks, others with folding stocks). However, a close-inspection of the receivers reveals that they are actually [[MAC-10]]s that have been visually modified to resemble the Uzi, fitted with Uzi barrels, front and rear sights, forward grips, and stocks. These exact same prop weapons also appear in several other Hollywood movies, including ''[[The Dogs of War]], [[Killer Elite, The (1975)|The Killer Elite (1975)]]'' and ''[[Stripes]]''. | |||
The mobsters are also seen wielding submachine guns that might appear at first to be [[Uzi]]s (some with fixed wooden buttstocks, others with folding stocks). However, a close-inspection of the receivers reveals that they are actually [[MAC-10]]s that have been visually modified to resemble the Uzi, fitted with Uzi barrels, front and rear sights, forward grips, and stocks. These exact same prop weapons also appear in several other Hollywood movies, including ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' and ''[[Stripes]]''. | [[File:Uzi old stock.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi with detachable wood buttstock (early model with straight comb) - 9x19mm]] | ||
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|An unmodified Ingram MAC-10 open bolt submachine gun - 9x19mm]] | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-59410.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In the opening hit on a mob witness, a mobster opens fire with the MAC-10 mocked up to resemble the Uzi. This particular weapon is fitted with a fixed stock.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-59410.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In the opening hit on a mob witness, a mobster opens fire with the MAC-10 mocked up to resemble the Uzi. This particular weapon is fitted with a fixed stock.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-59747.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A close-up of the same mobster's "Uzi".]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-59747.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A close-up of the same mobster's "Uzi".]] | ||
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==MAC-10== | ==MAC-10== | ||
One of Petrovita's soldiers fires on Kaminski with an actual [[MAC-10]] in the final casino shootout. | One of Petrovita's soldiers fires on Kaminski with an actual [[MAC-10]] in the final casino shootout. | ||
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb| | [[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]] | ||
[[Image:RawD 7038.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster on the left opens fire on Kaminsky with his MAC-10.]] | [[Image:RawD 7038.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster on the left opens fire on Kaminsky with his MAC-10.]] | ||
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=Revolvers= | |||
==Dan Wesson Model 15 == | ==Dan Wesson Model 15 == | ||
One of the other weapons which Kaminsky has in his suit storage bag is a [[Dan Wesson revolvers|Dan Wesson Model 15]] revolver. Most notably, he uses the weapon to kill the driver of a huge off-road dump truck who is trying to run him down while he's holed up in a trailer. | One of the other weapons which Kaminsky has in his suit storage bag is a [[Dan Wesson revolvers|Dan Wesson Model 15]] revolver. Most notably, he uses the weapon to kill the driver of a huge off-road dump truck who is trying to run him down while he's holed up in a trailer. | ||
[[File:DanWesson15.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Dan Wesson Model 15 - .357 Magnum]] | |||
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-68359.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky checks the load in his Dan Wesson revolver]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-68359.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky checks the load in his Dan Wesson revolver]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-74126.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Raising his Dan Wesson revolver with one hand, Kaminsky prepares to finish off the truck driver.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-74126.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Raising his Dan Wesson revolver with one hand, Kaminsky prepares to finish off the truck driver.]] | ||
==Dan Wesson Model 15-VH== | ==Dan Wesson Model 15-VH== | ||
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[[Image:Vlcsnap-65868.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Patrovita soldier fires his S&W.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-65868.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Patrovita soldier fires his S&W.]] | ||
== | ==Colt Detective Special== | ||
FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]) carries a [[Colt Detective Special|Colt Detective Special - Post 1972]] when he's ambushed by Max Keller ([[Robert Davi]]). IT appears that Harry is carrying a Colt Detective Special with the 3 inch barrel. | |||
[[File:NiceColtDSThreeInchBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen - .38 Special with 3 inch barrel]] | |||
[[Image:RD 306.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]) pulls a [[Colt Detective Special]] when he's ambushed by Keller and his men.]] | |||
[[Image:RawD 7051.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Harry hits the ground with his Colt after he's wounded in the ambush.]] | |||
FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]) carries a [[ | |||
[[ | |||
[[Image:RD 306.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon ([[Darren McGavin]]) pulls a [[ | |||
[[Image:RawD 7051.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Harry hits the ground with his | |||
== Smith & Wesson Model 15 == | == Smith & Wesson Model 15 == | ||
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==Smith & Wesson Model 15 (Snub)== | ==Smith & Wesson Model 15 (Snub)== | ||
FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon ( | FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]] in the beginning of the film. At the end, Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter ([[Joe Regalbuto]]), telling him to "resign or be prosecuted". Chicago cop Baker ([[Ed Lauter]]) also carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]] during the apartment raid on Petrovita's men. | ||
[[Image:M15M07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 with a 2 inch barrel]] | [[Image:M15M07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 with a 2 inch barrel]] | ||
[[Image:RawD 7003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon ( | [[Image:RawD 7003.jpg|thumb|600px|none|FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub]] in the beginning of the film.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-80935.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-80935.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The revolver seen on the casino floor.]] | ||
[[Image:RawD 7045.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Resign or be prosecuted. Any way you want it." Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter.]] | [[Image:RawD 7045.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Resign or be prosecuted. Any way you want it." Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter.]] | ||
[[Image:RawD 7046.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Baxter ([[Joe Regalbuto]]) holds the S&W.]] | [[Image:RawD 7046.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Baxter ([[Joe Regalbuto]]) holds the S&W.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-62404.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Baker ([[Ed Lauter]]) draws his S&W on Patrovita's men.]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-62404.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Baker ([[Ed Lauter]]) draws his S&W on Patrovita's men.]] | ||
== Charter Arms == | ==Smith & Wesson Model 64== | ||
Patrovita ([[Sam Wanamaker]]) uses a snub-nosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] in the final casino shootout. | |||
[[Image:Model64SN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 64 Snub Nose - .38 Special This is the early variant.]] | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75101.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Patrovita ([[Sam Wanamaker]]) and his soldiers prepare to take on Kaminsky.]] | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75220.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Patrovita is on the left side with his Smith & Wesson.]] | |||
[[Image:RawD 7034.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A closeup of Patrovita's stainless [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]].]] | |||
== Charter Arms Off Duty == | |||
A female Chicago undercover cop surprises a Patrovita lookout by drawing a [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] revolver on him. It could either be the undercover, or the off duty. | A female Chicago undercover cop surprises a Patrovita lookout by drawing a [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] revolver on him. It could either be the undercover, or the off duty. | ||
[[Image:CharterArmsOffDuty.png|thumb|none|300px|Charter Arms - .38 Special]] | [[Image:CharterArmsOffDuty.png|thumb|none|300px|Charter Arms - .38 Special]] | ||
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[[Image:RawD_7014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | [[Image:RawD_7014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | ||
== | ==Astra 357== | ||
Kaminsky uses a 3-inch barreled [[Astra 357]] in some scenes of the movie. | |||
[[ | [[File:Astra 357.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Astra 357, 3" barrel - .357 Magnum]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:RawD_7009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Astra 357 with a 3 inch barrel is pulled out by Kaminsky. Note the shape of the hammer and the rounded front of the frame, different of the square frame of the S&W N-frame]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:RawD_7010.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Astra 357. is pulled on the limo driver. Note the distinctive shape of the hammer]] | ||
=Pistols= | |||
==Colt M1911A1== | ==Colt M1911A1== | ||
A stainless [[Colt M1911A1]] is held by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on the Patrovita hideout. | A stainless [[Colt M1911A1]] is held by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on the Patrovita hideout. | ||
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]] | [[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]] | ||
[[Image:RD 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | [[Image:RD 333.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the far right, the officer in red holds the pistol.]] | ||
=Shotguns= | =Shotguns= | ||
==Mossberg 500AT | ==Mossberg 500AT== | ||
The last weapon in Kaminsky's weapons cache is a [[Mossberg 500 | The last weapon in Kaminsky's weapons cache is a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500AT shotgun]] fitted with a riot barrel with a heavy choke and a pistol grip. This is likely the same shotgun used in ''[[Code of Silence]].'' | ||
[[Image:Mossber500CPistolGrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun with pistol grip and heavy choke - 12 gauge]] | [[Image:Mossber500CPistolGrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun with pistol grip and heavy choke - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-68761.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) works the action on his Mossberg 500AT | [[Image:Vlcsnap-68761.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) works the action on his Mossberg 500AT.]] | ||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-68881.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky's Mossberg 500AT Shotgun cocked and ready for action | [[Image:Vlcsnap-68881.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Kaminsky's Mossberg 500AT Shotgun cocked and ready for action.]] | ||
[[Image:RawD 7044.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kaminsky uses his Mossberg to take out Patrovita.]] | [[Image:RawD 7044.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kaminsky uses his Mossberg to take out Patrovita.]] | ||
==Mossberg 500== | ==Mossberg 500== | ||
What appears to be a [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun is carried by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on a Patrovita hideout. | What appears to be a [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun is carried by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on a Patrovita hideout. | ||
[[Image:RD 332.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | [[Image:Mossberg500AT.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 gauge. Note the wood furniture.]] | ||
[[Image:RD 332.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The shotgun held by the officer during the raid.]] | |||
=Rifles= | ==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun== | ||
One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] to eliminate one of the FBI agents. A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life. | |||
[[File:Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|450px]] | |||
[[Image:RawDeal 001.jpg|thumb|600px|none|One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]].]] | |||
[[Image:RawD 7018.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life.]] | |||
=Rifles / Carbines= | |||
==MGC Replica M16== | ==MGC Replica M16== | ||
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==M14 Rifle== | ==M14 Rifle== | ||
Another mob hitman is seen sniping with a semi-automatic rifle fitted with a suppressor and scope. This is either a military [[M14 Rifle|M14]], or (more likely) an M1A, the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14 (manufactured by several manufacturers over the years, but the term M1A is copyrighted to Springfield Armory. Other makers of the Semi-auto M14 rifle are Federal Ordnance, Fulton Armory, Rock Island Armory and Norinco/Poly Technologies of China.) | Another mob hitman is seen sniping with a semi-automatic rifle fitted with a suppressor and scope. This is either a military [[M14 Rifle|M14]], or (more likely) an M1A, the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14 (manufactured by several manufacturers over the years, but the term M1A is copyrighted to Springfield Armory. Other makers of the Semi-auto M14 rifle are Federal Ordnance, Fulton Armory, Rock Island Armory and Norinco/Poly Technologies of China.) | ||
[[ | |||
[[File:Hudson M14 with scope.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Hudson M14 with riflescope.]] | |||
[[File:M14 Steel Scope Mount.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 rifle with Sadlak Industries Steel scope mount - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[Image:Vlcsnap-63836.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A mob hitman sniping with a scoped and suppressed M14 (or M1A).]] | [[Image:Vlcsnap-63836.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A mob hitman sniping with a scoped and suppressed M14 (or M1A).]] | ||
[[Category:John Irvin]] | [[Category:John Irvin]] | ||
Latest revision as of 03:38, 17 October 2023
Raw Deal is a 1986 action film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mark Kaminsky, a disgraced former FBI agent who is given a chance to go undercover as a mobster in order to find the government mole who was responsible for leaking information that led to the death of a witness and several FBI agents, one of which also happened to be the son of Kaminsky's friend, retired FBI Senior Agent Harry Shannon (Darren McGavin). Raw Deal was helmed by British director John Irvin, whose other works include The Dogs of War and Hamburger Hill. Raw Deal was Schwarzenegger's next film to capitalize on his hit movie Commando (1985), however it was only a moderate commercial success, owing a lot to the previous hit movie for its ticket sales. In Schwarzenegger's filmography, it is considered one of the action star's weaker films, despite the presence of several veteran actors and actresses in supporting roles and achieving a sort of cult film status for its quirky lines and action sequences. Not to be confused with the 1948 crime drama or the 1977 Western of the same name.
The following weapons were used in the film Raw Deal (1986):
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Submachine Guns
Heckler & Koch HK94
In the climax of the film, Mark Kaminsky (Arnold Schwarzenegger) goes to his hotel room and unpacks an arsenal of weapons hidden in a storage bag for his suit. One of the weapons is a Heckler & Koch HK94 semi-automatic carbine, the civilian version of the famous MP5. His gun is the A3 model, which has a collapsible stock, as well as a ventilated barrel shroud, and a vertical fore grip mounted just to the front and slightly below the main sight. When he carries out his assault at the mine and later on Patrovita's hideout, the weapon is fired on full-auto, suggesting that it was converted by a Class III manufacturer to a legal full auto gun for the film. One detail that also reveals the conversion of a Semi auto carbine into a full auto gun is the lack of a paddle release for the magazine (which was standard on all original MP5s). It takes some fitting and the acquisition of a replacement H&K paddle, and many armorers just didn't bother.
Schwarzenegger is also seen brandishing this same weapon (or perhaps another, identical weapon) in publicity images and on the poster for the movie, seen above, albeit with no magazine loaded in the gun. A notable goof is that the weapon has the "slimline"-type handguard when Kaminsky is seen loading it in his hotel room, but for the rest of the film, it has the "tropical" or "wide"-type handguard.
International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol
An International Ordnance MP2 machine pistol is used by Kaminski during the casino shootout. The International Ordance MP2 had a front grip that doubled as an extra mag holder. This portion has evidently been removed for the film. The pistol is basically a shortened STEN tube with a magwell/pistol grip very similar to that of an M-11/9mm smg. The muzzle brake aids with control on full auto fire mode, especially helpful when the foregrip was removed.
(Fake) Uzi (MAC-10)
The mobsters are also seen wielding submachine guns that might appear at first to be Uzis (some with fixed wooden buttstocks, others with folding stocks). However, a close-inspection of the receivers reveals that they are actually MAC-10s that have been visually modified to resemble the Uzi, fitted with Uzi barrels, front and rear sights, forward grips, and stocks. These exact same prop weapons also appear in several other Hollywood movies, including The Dogs of War, The Killer Elite (1975) and Stripes.
MAC-10
One of Petrovita's soldiers fires on Kaminski with an actual MAC-10 in the final casino shootout.
Revolvers
Dan Wesson Model 15
One of the other weapons which Kaminsky has in his suit storage bag is a Dan Wesson Model 15 revolver. Most notably, he uses the weapon to kill the driver of a huge off-road dump truck who is trying to run him down while he's holed up in a trailer.
Dan Wesson Model 15-VH
Several Patrovita soldiers use Dan Wesson Model 15 in the final shootout with Kaminsky.
Smith & Wesson Model 10HB
One of Patrovita's soldiers fires a Smith & Wesson Model 10HB.
Colt Detective Special
FBI Special Agent Harry Shannon (Darren McGavin) carries a Colt Detective Special - Post 1972 when he's ambushed by Max Keller (Robert Davi). IT appears that Harry is carrying a Colt Detective Special with the 3 inch barrel.
Smith & Wesson Model 15
A Smith & Wesson Model 15 is held by one of Patrovita's soldiers during the Chicago PD raid on a hideout.
Smith & Wesson Model 15 (Snub)
FBI Special Agent Blair Shannon (Steve Holt) is seen holding a Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub in the beginning of the film. At the end, Kaminsky takes a S&W off the floor and gives it to Baxter (Joe Regalbuto), telling him to "resign or be prosecuted". Chicago cop Baker (Ed Lauter) also carries a Smith & Wesson Model 15 Snub during the apartment raid on Petrovita's men.
Smith & Wesson Model 64
Patrovita (Sam Wanamaker) uses a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 64 in the final casino shootout.
Charter Arms Off Duty
A female Chicago undercover cop surprises a Patrovita lookout by drawing a Charter Arms Off Duty revolver on him. It could either be the undercover, or the off duty.
Astra 357
Kaminsky uses a 3-inch barreled Astra 357 in some scenes of the movie.
Pistols
Colt M1911A1
A stainless Colt M1911A1 is held by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on the Patrovita hideout.
Shotguns
Mossberg 500AT
The last weapon in Kaminsky's weapons cache is a Mossberg 500AT shotgun fitted with a riot barrel with a heavy choke and a pistol grip. This is likely the same shotgun used in Code of Silence.
Mossberg 500
What appears to be a Mossberg 500 shotgun is carried by one of the Chicago police officers during the raid on a Patrovita hideout.
12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun
One of the mob hitmen at the film's beginning uses a 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun to eliminate one of the FBI agents. A sawed off double barreled is used during the attempt on Harry's life.
Rifles / Carbines
MGC Replica M16
Among the weapons carried throughout the film by the mobsters are MGC M16 assault rifles - identifiable by the fact that they don't fire and they have the fake forward assist and upside down three pronged flash hider.
M16A1
When the Patrovita guard fires on Kaminsky, the MGC is changed out for an M16A1.
(Fake) XM177
The mobsters are also frequently seen using some type of CAR-15 variation that appears to resemble an XM177, but it's actually a converted AR15 SP1 carbine made to look like an XM177. These are the same guns seen in The Dogs of War (Special Effects Unlimited, the company which supplied weapons for that film, were also the armorers on this film).
M14 Rifle
Another mob hitman is seen sniping with a semi-automatic rifle fitted with a suppressor and scope. This is either a military M14, or (more likely) an M1A, the semi-automatic civilian version of the M14 (manufactured by several manufacturers over the years, but the term M1A is copyrighted to Springfield Armory. Other makers of the Semi-auto M14 rifle are Federal Ordnance, Fulton Armory, Rock Island Armory and Norinco/Poly Technologies of China.)
