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When watching this movie I also memorized all the guns used best I could.
==Opening Credits Massacre==
The scene at the beginning of the film in which protestors placing flowers in the muzzles of the MP's rifles before being killed is a mix between two famous (or infamous) events during the time of the Vietnam war. The placing the flowers in the muzzles of rifles was done by peace protesters in [[M14 Rifle]]s carried by the MP's, as seen in this famous photograph:


My little review. Doesn't spoil anything but lets you know what to expect if you're a fan or plan to watch the film.
[[Image:PoliceNamM14s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]


Personally, I thought this film was great! A little gorier than the novel was (Snyder can be considered by some as Tarantino with cinematic flair) and the acting felt awkward in spots but the film kept much of the good stuff in and was very faithful to fans of the book such as myself. Some things I really looked forward to such as ALL of Rorscach's story, whic was left out but that's why I wait with anticipation for the super Director's Cut. I totally 100% want to screencap this and might feel compelled to commit homicide if someone else caps this flick, 'cause I REALLY want to. Expect some subtle plot changes but the basic story remains unchanged so don't fret mega fans.
The use of the [[M1 Garand]] and opening fire on the rioters was based on the Kent State Shooting in 1970, when National Guardsmen (not MPs) opened fire on protesting students. There's a little history lesson for you.


== Thompson Prop ==


WARNING! MILD SPOILER BELOW! WON'T RUIN FINAL PLOT BUT REVEALS ASPECTS OF RORSCHACH'S STORY IN THE FILM!
Good job on that. I was gonna do it, but you did it much better than I could have. So, whoever you are, I salute you! -protoAuthor
:Oh, it was GM45, of course. Also, who took down the comparison comic book panel for the comedian's armory?-protoAuthor
::I did. It's didn't really fit on the page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]


== The Unknown Rifles ==


If anyone out there has the Blu Ray version of the movie, perhaps a high def screen shot could shed light on that mysterious rifle.


I have blu-ray, but no blu-ray capturing device. Also it's more a matter of not really seeing the full thing, ain't it?-protoAuthor
:It's an HK of some sort, though. I can tell that from the shot we have.-protoAuthor
::I was thinking it was an FN FNC, but it really is too difficult to tell. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]


== Police with Glocks ==


Not really important, but they're not police, they're Veidt security guards. They even have a V on their hats.


:I have to agree with that one.  Especially since, in the film, Veldt mentions just how rich he is it almost makes sense his guards would have the most up to date equipment on the market.  [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]


== Sternum ==


The article says that Rorschach hit the officer's collarbone with the grappling gun in the novel.  The police report at the end of Chapter 6 says that it was the officr's sternum, which, if Wikipedia is right, looks to be much lower than the collar bone.


The Twin Towers can also be seen when Dan takes Archie up.  Not sure when this happens in the film, but it's in the trailers. [[Special:Contributions/71.189.210.11|71.189.210.11]] 21:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


== Zastava M70AB2 ==


Note:I don't know.During the vietnam war.Yugoslavia sent weapons to NVA/VC.The Zastava M70 service in yugoslav army in 1970.:Tanarmy
::Remember, it's probably standing in for another weapon.-protoAuthor


== Officers 1911 in The Comedian's closet ==


The pistol in question seems to be a Detonics, it has the forward mounted rear sights.


== Anachronisms ==


I noticed quite a few comments about 'anachronistic' weapons appearing in the film. Are these comments justified considering Watchmen isn't set in our historical timeline? The movie is set in an alternate timeline to ours correct? Perhaps in this alternate timeline, certain weapons might have been developed earlier than in ours?


--I have to agree with you on that. The Watchmen universe does takes place in an alternate 1985 setting and it is fairly possible that the "anachronistic" firearms (such as the 2nd Generation Glock 17) that appear in the film were probably developed earlier in the Watchmen universe rather than later on if the timeline had not been altered. If anything, maybe the commentary on the appearance of "anachronistic" firearms should be fixed a little bit so it doesn't appear as an insult to anyone who worked on the film that might view the page.


Unless someone objects before then, I will remove the anachronistic labels from the weapons tomorrow--[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] 20:52, 10 March 2011 (MSK)


== Weird 1911 ==


I think the odd looking 1911 in the fifth screen shot [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/File:Watchmen-M1911A1-4.jpg] is a 1911 Non Gun. What do you guys think? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 09:15, 13 March 2011 (MSK)


== Movie and Novel gun differences. ==


I missed most of this little gun party, but I noticed differences in weapons from the novel and the movie:


Roy Chess: Beretta Model 70:NOVEL MOVIE: Smith and Wesson 586. IDENTIFICATION: The slant infront of the trigger guard denoted it from a Beretta Cheetah to a Model 70.


Moloch: NOVEL: Smith and Wesson 10 HB. MOVIE: Walther PPK. IDENTIFICATION: One panel in the novel had light shine on the revolver, showing the S&W cylinder latch.


And the most wierdest gun swap goes to...


Veidt Security Guards: MOVIE: Glock 17 NOVEL: Smith and Wesson 10 Snub nose.IDENTIFICATION:When Veidt is putting cyanide in Chess's mouth,two guards pull out their revolvers, again one shot at the left side showed the S&W cylinder latch.


These are minor differences,yes, just wanted to point them out.


Others.


NYPD: NOVEL:Model 10's and M1928 Thompson with 20 round box magazine and straight foregrip.
MOVIE: Model 10,Model 15,and Remington 870.


US MP: MOVIE: M1 Garand. NOVEL: M14. IDENTIFICATION: A M14 is easily denoted as the magazine was too thick to be a M1 Carbine, so it must have been the M14.


 
FACTOID: The famous Riot flashback from the Comedian actually ended differently in the novel, instead of him firing rubber bullets and smoke rounds, he throws in riot gas and finishes the stragglers off with the rubber bullets.         -[[User:LaFarge]]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If you read the original graphic novel, you know Rorschach killed the child murderer by chaining him to the pole with a hacksaw and burning the building down. Instead of that, Rorscach swings a meat cleaver into his head repeatedly and the famous change to Rorscach from Kovacs is made there, which makes more sense than with killing the dogs as within the book.
 
I personally like the quote he says after killing the guy. The guy tells him to arrest him and he remarks "Men go to prison, DOGS get put down!" Great stuff. Besides, the burning down the house while chained with a hacksaw was done in Mad Max and Saw so everyone's seen it before.
 
 
==Page Mistakes==
A couple notes where I think the main page is incorrect:
 
The famous picture of the "flowers in the rifle barrel" showed National Guard troops with M-1 Garands. The use of Garands in the alterate history in the movie would be accurate. And, the M-14 was primarily a U.S. military weapon, not a U.S. police weapon. Most images of troops with Garands from the 60's and 70's are National Guard troops, not police. The police did not use M-14 rifles back then so saying the "primary rifle of the police was the M-14 and not the M-1" is also not accurate.
 
Also, what is your source for the idea that real Colt XM-177E1's are never used in movies? Yes, the "moderator" on the XM 177EI is legally a "surppressor", but there are some in private hands and I believe movie firearms rental houses likely also have some as well.
 
:I've seen the image of the Hippies putting flowers in the rifles, I remembered them being M14s, forgive me if I'm wrong. And I was thinking older films use the mock-up CAR-15s, because armorers couldn't obtain the muzzle breaks because they were considered suppressors (the armorer for our site [[User:MoviePropMaster2008]] has taken pictures of the mock ups and even comments on their origins. Today, it is likely they can obtain real CAR-15s, but since the guns are old and phased out to M4 series guns, it is assumed they just took some old mock ups from an armorer and used them. The older slab-sode recievers leads me to believe this further. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Latest revision as of 22:44, 5 November 2019

Opening Credits Massacre

The scene at the beginning of the film in which protestors placing flowers in the muzzles of the MP's rifles before being killed is a mix between two famous (or infamous) events during the time of the Vietnam war. The placing the flowers in the muzzles of rifles was done by peace protesters in M14 Rifles carried by the MP's, as seen in this famous photograph:

The use of the M1 Garand and opening fire on the rioters was based on the Kent State Shooting in 1970, when National Guardsmen (not MPs) opened fire on protesting students. There's a little history lesson for you.

Thompson Prop

Good job on that. I was gonna do it, but you did it much better than I could have. So, whoever you are, I salute you! -protoAuthor

Oh, it was GM45, of course. Also, who took down the comparison comic book panel for the comedian's armory?-protoAuthor
I did. It's didn't really fit on the page. - Gunmaster45

The Unknown Rifles

If anyone out there has the Blu Ray version of the movie, perhaps a high def screen shot could shed light on that mysterious rifle.

I have blu-ray, but no blu-ray capturing device. Also it's more a matter of not really seeing the full thing, ain't it?-protoAuthor

It's an HK of some sort, though. I can tell that from the shot we have.-protoAuthor
I was thinking it was an FN FNC, but it really is too difficult to tell. - Gunmaster45

Police with Glocks

Not really important, but they're not police, they're Veidt security guards. They even have a V on their hats.

I have to agree with that one. Especially since, in the film, Veldt mentions just how rich he is it almost makes sense his guards would have the most up to date equipment on the market. Charon68

Sternum

The article says that Rorschach hit the officer's collarbone with the grappling gun in the novel. The police report at the end of Chapter 6 says that it was the officr's sternum, which, if Wikipedia is right, looks to be much lower than the collar bone.

The Twin Towers can also be seen when Dan takes Archie up. Not sure when this happens in the film, but it's in the trailers. 71.189.210.11 21:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Zastava M70AB2

Note:I don't know.During the vietnam war.Yugoslavia sent weapons to NVA/VC.The Zastava M70 service in yugoslav army in 1970.:Tanarmy

Remember, it's probably standing in for another weapon.-protoAuthor

Officers 1911 in The Comedian's closet

The pistol in question seems to be a Detonics, it has the forward mounted rear sights.

Anachronisms

I noticed quite a few comments about 'anachronistic' weapons appearing in the film. Are these comments justified considering Watchmen isn't set in our historical timeline? The movie is set in an alternate timeline to ours correct? Perhaps in this alternate timeline, certain weapons might have been developed earlier than in ours?

--I have to agree with you on that. The Watchmen universe does takes place in an alternate 1985 setting and it is fairly possible that the "anachronistic" firearms (such as the 2nd Generation Glock 17) that appear in the film were probably developed earlier in the Watchmen universe rather than later on if the timeline had not been altered. If anything, maybe the commentary on the appearance of "anachronistic" firearms should be fixed a little bit so it doesn't appear as an insult to anyone who worked on the film that might view the page.

Unless someone objects before then, I will remove the anachronistic labels from the weapons tomorrow--Westernman1987 20:52, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

Weird 1911

I think the odd looking 1911 in the fifth screen shot [1] is a 1911 Non Gun. What do you guys think? - Mr. Wolf 09:15, 13 March 2011 (MSK)

Movie and Novel gun differences.

I missed most of this little gun party, but I noticed differences in weapons from the novel and the movie:

Roy Chess: Beretta Model 70:NOVEL MOVIE: Smith and Wesson 586. IDENTIFICATION: The slant infront of the trigger guard denoted it from a Beretta Cheetah to a Model 70.

Moloch: NOVEL: Smith and Wesson 10 HB. MOVIE: Walther PPK. IDENTIFICATION: One panel in the novel had light shine on the revolver, showing the S&W cylinder latch.

And the most wierdest gun swap goes to...

Veidt Security Guards: MOVIE: Glock 17 NOVEL: Smith and Wesson 10 Snub nose.IDENTIFICATION:When Veidt is putting cyanide in Chess's mouth,two guards pull out their revolvers, again one shot at the left side showed the S&W cylinder latch.

These are minor differences,yes, just wanted to point them out.

Others.

NYPD: NOVEL:Model 10's and M1928 Thompson with 20 round box magazine and straight foregrip. MOVIE: Model 10,Model 15,and Remington 870.

US MP: MOVIE: M1 Garand. NOVEL: M14. IDENTIFICATION: A M14 is easily denoted as the magazine was too thick to be a M1 Carbine, so it must have been the M14.

FACTOID: The famous Riot flashback from the Comedian actually ended differently in the novel, instead of him firing rubber bullets and smoke rounds, he throws in riot gas and finishes the stragglers off with the rubber bullets. -User:LaFarge

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