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[[Image:85-mm 90-K.jpg|thumb|400px|none|85 mm 90-K AA naval gun. It uses the barrel and the breech of 52-K.]] | |||
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The page for 85mm AA gun doesn't match rules: "What we do not allow are weapons which are too large to be operated by either an individual or small crew or are used primarily as indirect fire delivery systems." Even the fact that this gun was sometimes used in AT role doesn't make it fit. I vote for <nowiki>{{Nuke}}</nowiki>. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:12, 3 March 2015 (EST) | The page for 85mm AA gun doesn't match rules: "What we do not allow are weapons which are too large to be operated by either an individual or small crew or are used primarily as indirect fire delivery systems." Even the fact that this gun was sometimes used in AT role doesn't make it fit. I vote for <nowiki>{{Nuke}}</nowiki>. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:12, 3 March 2015 (EST) | ||
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:: Um, no - If it has a fuze and detonates prior to hitting it it is not 'direct fire'. Rules are clear - Has to be a direct fire system, which large AA guns of this type are not. I agree with Greg, the fact they might have been used in a direct fire manner is irrelevant - It's not what the weapon was intended for, nor how it was generally used. You can argue it all you want but as has been said before many times, this site is not a gun encyclopedia. We don't have any page for German 88 FlaK guns as far as I know - They are arguably more popular and have just as many (if not, more) appearances on the site and the same thing seems to apply to them. In fact, I would think some 'AT' guns might not be eligible despite being fully direct fire weapons since they require larger crews (which the RSP also touches on), but that's another thing. Anyway, I too think this page might not be eligible, at least the admins should definitely review this. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:37, 3 March 2015 (EST) | :: Um, no - If it has a fuze and detonates prior to hitting it it is not 'direct fire'. Rules are clear - Has to be a direct fire system, which large AA guns of this type are not. I agree with Greg, the fact they might have been used in a direct fire manner is irrelevant - It's not what the weapon was intended for, nor how it was generally used. You can argue it all you want but as has been said before many times, this site is not a gun encyclopedia. We don't have any page for German 88 FlaK guns as far as I know - They are arguably more popular and have just as many (if not, more) appearances on the site and the same thing seems to apply to them. In fact, I would think some 'AT' guns might not be eligible despite being fully direct fire weapons since they require larger crews (which the RSP also touches on), but that's another thing. Anyway, I too think this page might not be eligible, at least the admins should definitely review this. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:37, 3 March 2015 (EST) | ||
:::I think the 88s outright do qualify (they were designed as | :::I think the 88s outright do qualify (they were designed as triple-purpose AA / AT / field guns and more to the point some European armourers actually own 88s), not so sure of this one does though. I always intended to make a page for the 88s since it's a little hard to tell which is which, but I could never find a decent full listing of the 36 / 37 differences. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:13, 3 March 2015 (EST) | ||
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The page for 85mm AA gun doesn't match rules: "What we do not allow are weapons which are too large to be operated by either an individual or small crew or are used primarily as indirect fire delivery systems." Even the fact that this gun was sometimes used in AT role doesn't make it fit. I vote for {{Nuke}}. Greg-Z (talk) 13:12, 3 March 2015 (EST)
- AA guns WERE used for direct fire, the problem was just that it was rather difficult to hit an airplane directly, this is why altitude fuzes/timed fuzes were introduced. But the primary goal is to hit the plane directly.--Hchris (talk) 13:24, 3 March 2015 (EST)
- Um, no - If it has a fuze and detonates prior to hitting it it is not 'direct fire'. Rules are clear - Has to be a direct fire system, which large AA guns of this type are not. I agree with Greg, the fact they might have been used in a direct fire manner is irrelevant - It's not what the weapon was intended for, nor how it was generally used. You can argue it all you want but as has been said before many times, this site is not a gun encyclopedia. We don't have any page for German 88 FlaK guns as far as I know - They are arguably more popular and have just as many (if not, more) appearances on the site and the same thing seems to apply to them. In fact, I would think some 'AT' guns might not be eligible despite being fully direct fire weapons since they require larger crews (which the RSP also touches on), but that's another thing. Anyway, I too think this page might not be eligible, at least the admins should definitely review this. StanTheMan (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2015 (EST)
- I think the 88s outright do qualify (they were designed as triple-purpose AA / AT / field guns and more to the point some European armourers actually own 88s), not so sure of this one does though. I always intended to make a page for the 88s since it's a little hard to tell which is which, but I could never find a decent full listing of the 36 / 37 differences. Evil Tim (talk) 16:13, 3 March 2015 (EST)