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| Anyone see what the Leviathan agents had? I think I saw a Beretta-ish handgun as well, Beretta M1934 maybe?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:50, 7 January 2015 (EST)
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| :The scientist played by [[James Urbaniak]] had a Beretta M1934. It is hard to tell, but I think a suppressed M1934 was also the pistol used by the assassin in the first episode (it is barely seen but it looked to have the same Beretta style open slide and the size matches). Also, in the first episode one of the guys with a Thompson actually had an M1A1 going by the shape of the rear sight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:14, 7 January 2015 (EST)
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| ==Thompson revolver==
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| Agent Thompson's revolver has a different hammer. Any ideas? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 07:44, 8 January 2015 (EST)
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| [[File:AgentCarterS01E01DetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|602px]]
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| [[File:ACS1E01 19.jpg|thumb|none|602px|a brighter image ]]
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| : Hard to tell but the hammer might have the firing pin on it, making it a S&W. Looks like it also has a five-round cylinder as well, so this might be a Model 36/60 Chief's Special. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2015 (EST)
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| :: Just an extra note, if these are indeed Model 36s (and I do believe they are) wouldn't they be a tad anachronistic here? If so, should make a note of that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:00, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| The Chief's Special came in 1950, IIRC.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:04, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| : Yes, that's right, I knew that - I just previously did not know exactly when the series takes place. With that said, this gun is indeed anachronistic, though not by much. And it does work as a decent stand-in to the I-Frames, which are time-correct, but a whole lot less available. That said, I suppose these ''could'' be I-Frame revolvers, but again, those aren't around much these days as I understand. Interesting they didn't go for the Colt DS (As they were previously ID'd) as those are fairly available (probably as much if not more so than early S&W J-Frames) and also are period-correct. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| Thompson's gun does appear to be a small frame S&W, however in 1946,when the show is set,those agents would more like to carrying the Colt DS. There were snubbed models of the Military and Police and Victory Model Smiths,and of the Colt Commando, but for a snub at that time, the Colt DS would be the most likely to be encountered. Personally, I'd have armed the agents with 4 inch Colt Official Police or S&W Military and Police revolvers,like the real FBI. BTW, S&W did not begin to use model numbers(Model 36 ,Model 10) until 1957, so while the actual firearm used by the actor be a Model 36, the "charcter" gun would be called a Chief's Special, that is, once it was introduced four years in the future in this show :)--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 19:08, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| : I knew that too, but the two names can be used interchangeably for the most part, the sole exception being if the revolver actually ''was'' a 'Chief's Special', that is, one from that brief time period, in which case it would ''only'' be called that, instead of 'Model 36 Chief's Special' - But since neither the 'Chief's Special' nor the 'Model 36' were available in 1946, the "character" gun couldn't be either, so that bit of nitpicking is rather moot. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:41, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| There was the S&W Terrier chambered for the .38 S&W, made during that general time period, which looked almost exactly like the early Chief's Special in the photo, and I doubt if any of us could distinguish beween the two on screen. However, I doubt the Smiths were supposed to be Terriers. It's much more likely just carelessness. It's SciFi and wasn't made before 1957, so it does get some wiggle room...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:12, 14 January 2015 (EST)
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| :: True, and that's fair to point out. However the Terrier's I-frame was actually a bit smaller than the J-frame. But in all honestly, as I said previously, I think there's considerably few Terriers/I-frames out there at all these days, much less in movie armory inventory. As noted the early J-frames work just as well appearance wise as stand ins for the earlier guns and are only barely anachronistic in themselves here. Anyway, I agree it's an oversight, and a rather slight one TBH. But sweating the details on firearms is kinda what we do here. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 00:47, 14 January 2015 (EST)
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| With the excellent cap of DeSousa aiming his revolver, it's definitely ramped sight S&W Chief's Special.
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| ==Carter's PPK==
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| Carter's PPK is a post-war manufacted gun; in 1946 Walther's factory was in Russian hands and they didn't start making pistols until several years later.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 00:11, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| :How can you tell? Also, she had the gun in First Avenger, so presumably it's pre-war.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| ::I assume he is referring to the shape of the cut-out at the front of the slide, which on wartime PPKs was stepped:[[File:PPKNazi1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]compared to the curved cut-out on post war examples:[[File:Waltherppk32acp.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As her PPK appears to have a curved cut-out this would make it post war (after 1952). However, I have heard (although I am not convinced by this myself as i have never seen an example of one) that when the PPK was originally made it had the curved type of slide, and was only changed to simplify production. When Manurhin began licensed production in the 50s they chose to go back to the curved profile deeming it more attractive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:14, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| ::: I concur with this, and agree the PPK Carter uses has the smoothed slide, which pending anything else, does make it a post-war (and thus technically anachronistic) variant. Though, like with the S&W Model 36, the post-war PPK variant is not anachronistic by very much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:18, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| Thanks for the above photos.Immediately post war, German companies weren't allowed to make weapons, so in 1952 Walther licensed Manurhin of France to build the PP/PPK series; these guns had the Manurhin logo on the grips instead of the Walther banner until somebody in the US convinced them to put the banner back on the grips and the Walther markings back on the slide;sales boomed. As to the wartime guns, the front of the slide has what some call the bulldog profile,as Commando552;why I don't know. My PPK dates from 1934, so I tend to look for such things on film.It still works fine, but the slide bite is bad,so I prefer the PP by far...--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 18:52, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| :::: Got a good photo of Carter's PPK at the start of the 1st episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:51, 9 January 2015 (EST)
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| ::::The pistol seen loaded is a PPK/S. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 09:07, 10 January 2015 (EST)
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| [[Image:WaltherPPKS USA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S Blue Steel made in the USA - .380ACP]]
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| [[File:ACS1E01_07.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Note the PPK/S on the slide and the "made in USA" under the Walther stamp.]]
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| :::::As that image proves it is a PPK/S, wouldn't we just list he gun in all its appearances as a PPK/S? so far there has not been a shot that definitively proves that the gun labelled as a PPK is one rather than the PPK/S, and to me it seems more likely that they would just use the same gun rather than switching between different models. It is possible that there may be a replica/airsoft PPK for non firing scenes, but I would assume that any firing scene would use the PPK/S. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:39, 12 January 2015 (EST)
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| Dottie is not using a Winchester 1894, but an "iron frame " 1860 Henry rifle with a modern scope which appears to be properly mounted for ejection of empties.As is often the case with Henrys onfilm the magazine is empty. I have no idea whether the take-down version is made from a real rifle or a prop, but I suspect the iron frame version was used to make less obvious to the view it was a Henry. Interesting Civil theme in base guns: a pepperbox and a Henry.
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| As to the M1A1 Thompsons, there was a fair amount of semi auto fire with them in the episodes. An image search turned up several hi-res shots ;at least Carter's and Happy Sam's Thompsons have Auto-Ordnance markings;semi-auto SBRs,perhpas:http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 03:44, 12 February 2015 (EST)
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| Your link doesn't work, also any idea what the child soldier was carrying? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:10, 12 February 2015 (EST)
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| :[http://www.auto-ordnance.com//firearms/thompson-m1sb.asp Corrected link]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:19, 12 February 2015 (EST)
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