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==Roland's Double Rifle== | |||
I still say Nick broke and/or disabled the firing pin on Roland's shotgun [[User:The_Winchester|Winn]] | I still say Nick broke and/or disabled the firing pin on Roland's shotgun [[User:The_Winchester|Winn]] | ||
:The whole movie is stupid like that i mean why the hell would Vince Vaughn break Roland's shotgun?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC) | :The whole movie is stupid like that i mean why the hell would Vince Vaughn break Roland's shotgun?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
::cos he was an activist | |||
cos he was an activist | :I agree with you but for the sake of accuracy it wasn't a shotgun. It was a double barreled rifle. Designed for hunting large dangerous game such as Elephant, Cape Buffalo and Hippos.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
::You would be wrong, because after Roland's gun fails to go BANG, he pulls out the empty shells and mutters, "Bastard." because he knows Nick pulled the bullets. When Nick is on the helicopter leaving the island, he lets the bullets roll from his hand onto the floor. | |||
I agree with you but for the sake of accuracy it wasn't a shotgun. It was a double barreled rifle. Designed for hunting large dangerous game such as Elephant, Cape Buffalo and Hippos.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC) | :I concur it is a double barreled rifle along the lines of a Holland and Holland, Purdey, Rigby, or Searcy. IMFDB entry claims it is a Searcy, anyone have any evidence to back this up? I can't see how anyone can tell which specific maker of double rifles made a specific rifle unless they have it in their hands, being as these are made to order with any accessories, sights, trigger guards, etc you want, so all normal identification features are thrown out the window. Is there some director's commentary that states it is a Seacry? I can considering changing it to 'indeterminant double rifle' | ||
::You would be wrong, because after Roland's gun fails to go BANG, he pulls out the empty shells and mutters, "Bastard." because he knows Nick pulled the | :Everything about the way he mishandled that double ticked me off. You don't leave your five thousand dollar pet lying around for some other idiot to blow his own face off with (Ever seen adults look down the barrels of a shotgun or rifle like a bloody cartoon character? I have.) or muck about with your rounds. Why was he only carrying two bullets? I know that .600 Nitro Express is hard on the bank statement - ten round wallets of 900gr .600 Nitro Express retailing for nearly $300 US - but who's seen a real hunter lugging all thirteen-to-fifteen pounds of a double around without a leather belt lined with cartridges 'round his shoulder or waist? (Said rounds tend to be slightly green with verdigris; you don't do much practising with your .600 Nitro Express when you aren't hunting.) He never breaches his gun to check that she's still loaded, a rather compulsive habit of big game hunters - the whole point of carrying that beast through the bush is that when something along the lines of an elephant or a buffalo or what have you takes exception to your predatory designs and charge, you have two extremely large rounds in rapid succession to dissuade such behavior with. Merry idiots who leave their rifles laying about camp rather than close at hand and never inspect their weapons are the sort who tend to wind up on the wrong end of a dangerous game animal. Such as, in this case, a Tyrannosaur. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 15:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
I concur it is a double barreled rifle along the lines of a Holland and Holland, Purdey, Rigby, or Searcy. IMFDB entry claims it is a Searcy, anyone have any evidence to back this up? I can't see how anyone can tell which specific maker of double rifles made a specific rifle unless they have it in their hands, being as these are made to order with any accessories, sights, trigger guards, etc you want, so all normal identification features are thrown out the window. Is there some director's commentary that states it is a Seacry? I can considering changing it to 'indeterminant double rifle' | |||
:- That's fine and good, but keep in mind this guy is still an actor, not a professional hunter, and that this is a fictional movie. Pointing out certain inaccuracies is one thing, but raggin' the hell out of the film/actor/etc because the guy didn't portray a big-game hunter with '''100%''' accuracy in a fictional piece of media is just a bit too negative, honestly. There's certainly no need to harp on about it on the movie's main page, and especially not when it comes off as insulting as it does. | :- That's fine and good, but keep in mind this guy is still an actor, not a professional hunter, and that this is a fictional movie. Pointing out certain inaccuracies is one thing, but raggin' the hell out of the film/actor/etc because the guy didn't portray a big-game hunter with '''100%''' accuracy in a fictional piece of media is just a bit too negative, honestly. There's certainly no need to harp on about it on the movie's main page, and especially not when it comes off as insulting as it does. | ||
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Note: The tranquilizer rifles used by the hunters(Dieter Stark) are actually called '''Dan-Inject JM Standard'''. It is a real life tranquilizer gun used on animals. | Note: The tranquilizer rifles used by the hunters(Dieter Stark) are actually called '''Dan-Inject JM Standard'''. It is a real life tranquilizer gun used on animals. | ||
The LAR Grizzly rifle used in the round up scene, was mocked up as the original heavy, Swedish "Lindstradt" air rifle, w/two CO2-tanks. Read Michael Crichtons novel ''The Lost World'' and it will all make sense. [[User:Quint]] 13:28, August 12. 2016. | |||
==Guard== | ==Guard== | ||
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If using a streamlight ring mount, one would still have to cut a hole in the forearm, or at least shave the "lip" on the end of the distingtive SPAS 12 forearm somewhat. In this case, it looks like a clamp through a slit in the forearm. | If using a streamlight ring mount, one would still have to cut a hole in the forearm, or at least shave the "lip" on the end of the distingtive SPAS 12 forearm somewhat. In this case, it looks like a clamp through a slit in the forearm. | ||
Another issue would be that the pressure switch cable have to stretch enough, when the pump action is used. And the gen. 1 Surefire 660(pre 6P) is very short. I would like to see this solution off screen.-[[User:Truckface|Truckface]] | Another issue would be that the pressure switch cable have to stretch enough, when the pump action is used. And the gen. 1 Surefire 660(pre 6P) is very short. I would like to see this solution off screen.-[[User:Truckface|Truckface]] | ||
::It could be possible they are using the SPAS-12 in semi-auto only. -[[User:1morey]] August 8, 2016 8:09 PM (EST) | |||
Mystery solved: By looking at pictures of the rubber stunt prop, the clamp holding the flashlight is attached to an upside-down picatinny rail. The small kind, usually found on top of hunting rifles, but here fixed to the forearm lip. So the flashlight is indeed attached to the forearm. [[User:Quint]] August 11, 2016 | |||
==Recently added== | |||
Aside from cylinder release, a number of other revolver makes/models look very similar to the Mk III Trooper, so unless you can confirm it has the Colt-style cylinder release I don't think that can be a definitive ID. Also might wanna just stick to one 'rifles' section; there's not that many to really necessitate splitting them into specific 'Assault', 'Sniper' and vanilla categories - That said, for the record, the HK91 isn't really considered an 'assault rifle' (in several senses). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 02:18, 9 August 2016 (EDT) | |||
:Gotcha. I had gone with the Colt Trooper because the base of the grip is pretty wide, but I did not rule out any of the S&W revolvers. Will edit changes. -[[User:1morey]] August 9, 2016 8:56 AM (EST) | |||
= | =Ajay's Rifle= | ||
Ajay's rifle seems to be the Model 70 African Super Grade in .458 win mag. That's the only model with the slanted fore-end cap, 2 crossbolts, and barrel mounted sling swivel. Post 64 model. Possibly 1970s era. -[[User:Jamie]] | |||
Latest revision as of 22:00, 28 July 2023
Roland's Double Rifle
I still say Nick broke and/or disabled the firing pin on Roland's shotgun Winn
- The whole movie is stupid like that i mean why the hell would Vince Vaughn break Roland's shotgun?Oliveira 16:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- cos he was an activist
- I agree with you but for the sake of accuracy it wasn't a shotgun. It was a double barreled rifle. Designed for hunting large dangerous game such as Elephant, Cape Buffalo and Hippos.--Jcordell 02:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- You would be wrong, because after Roland's gun fails to go BANG, he pulls out the empty shells and mutters, "Bastard." because he knows Nick pulled the bullets. When Nick is on the helicopter leaving the island, he lets the bullets roll from his hand onto the floor.
- I concur it is a double barreled rifle along the lines of a Holland and Holland, Purdey, Rigby, or Searcy. IMFDB entry claims it is a Searcy, anyone have any evidence to back this up? I can't see how anyone can tell which specific maker of double rifles made a specific rifle unless they have it in their hands, being as these are made to order with any accessories, sights, trigger guards, etc you want, so all normal identification features are thrown out the window. Is there some director's commentary that states it is a Seacry? I can considering changing it to 'indeterminant double rifle'
- Everything about the way he mishandled that double ticked me off. You don't leave your five thousand dollar pet lying around for some other idiot to blow his own face off with (Ever seen adults look down the barrels of a shotgun or rifle like a bloody cartoon character? I have.) or muck about with your rounds. Why was he only carrying two bullets? I know that .600 Nitro Express is hard on the bank statement - ten round wallets of 900gr .600 Nitro Express retailing for nearly $300 US - but who's seen a real hunter lugging all thirteen-to-fifteen pounds of a double around without a leather belt lined with cartridges 'round his shoulder or waist? (Said rounds tend to be slightly green with verdigris; you don't do much practising with your .600 Nitro Express when you aren't hunting.) He never breaches his gun to check that she's still loaded, a rather compulsive habit of big game hunters - the whole point of carrying that beast through the bush is that when something along the lines of an elephant or a buffalo or what have you takes exception to your predatory designs and charge, you have two extremely large rounds in rapid succession to dissuade such behavior with. Merry idiots who leave their rifles laying about camp rather than close at hand and never inspect their weapons are the sort who tend to wind up on the wrong end of a dangerous game animal. Such as, in this case, a Tyrannosaur. Atypicaloracle 15:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- - That's fine and good, but keep in mind this guy is still an actor, not a professional hunter, and that this is a fictional movie. Pointing out certain inaccuracies is one thing, but raggin' the hell out of the film/actor/etc because the guy didn't portray a big-game hunter with 100% accuracy in a fictional piece of media is just a bit too negative, honestly. There's certainly no need to harp on about it on the movie's main page, and especially not when it comes off as insulting as it does.
- I'm asking all members to stop with the sarcastic comments in the screencap descriptions: Too many members feel it's funny to be extremely sarcastic about actor's shooting stance, their blinking, their pistol grips. Only if it's so over the top as for the average person to notice, then don't keep on harping on it. Most actors are given only a bare amount of time to train, if at all. Many times the editor picks the worst take for pistol grip, but best take for other reasons like acting. Also much of the blame falls on the director. Some directors don't want to be bothered trying to train the actors and don't allow us armorers to even give them more training than the minimum safety training. People in the industry check out this website, and some think we're a bunch of obnoxious kids. I am not happy when people in 'the biz' look at the site and scoff at the snarky remarks. Some of them are the actual actors being insulted. We can always put in criticism, but IMFDB members going forward going to criticize a film, should try to do so in a scholarly manner or not at all. Thanks for your cooperation MoviePropMaster2008
- StanTheMan 00:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Tranq rifles
Note: The optical sight on the Lindstradt rifle is infact a Bushnell HOLO-sight. And it is mounted the right way.
Note: The tranquilizer rifles used by the hunters(Dieter Stark) are actually called Dan-Inject JM Standard. It is a real life tranquilizer gun used on animals.
The LAR Grizzly rifle used in the round up scene, was mocked up as the original heavy, Swedish "Lindstradt" air rifle, w/two CO2-tanks. Read Michael Crichtons novel The Lost World and it will all make sense. User:Quint 13:28, August 12. 2016.
Guard
The security guard in the last pic looks alot like Robert Patrick-S&Wshooter 02:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
- I disagree;he just looks just like a generic caucasian male to me --AdAstra2009 20:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- But he does sorta look like Robert Patrick-S&Wshooter 21:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
SIG Sauer P226
I think this is a SIG Sauer P226, rather than a 1911 as labeled on the page.
And no, I don't think that looks like Robert Patrick either :P
- No way, barrel end and trigger guard are rounded just like a 1911. StanTheMan 23:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Hunters
Where did Peter Ludlow get all the hunters to extract the dinosaurs from the island. I mean some of these have military grade weapons (One has an AKMS). I think there is something suspicious going on here.
They were mostly merecenaries. Personal weapons.
They were hired by InGen, a huge biotech corporation with billions of dollars. --BurtReynoldsMoustache 00:22, 12 April 2011 (CDT)
Spas 12 flashlight issue.
Now, about the Spas 12 seen in this movie. How is this Surefire clamp attached? I mean, the clamp looks like it`s attached to the heat sheild through a cut-out in the forearm. Or is the attachement fixed to the forearm itself?-Truckface
- Usually it's done on the forend on shotguns but here I think you're right, looks to be at the heat-shield/receiver. It could be some kind of 'ring mount', sorta like this here - Discussion link StanTheMan (talk) 13:04, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
If using a streamlight ring mount, one would still have to cut a hole in the forearm, or at least shave the "lip" on the end of the distingtive SPAS 12 forearm somewhat. In this case, it looks like a clamp through a slit in the forearm. Another issue would be that the pressure switch cable have to stretch enough, when the pump action is used. And the gen. 1 Surefire 660(pre 6P) is very short. I would like to see this solution off screen.-Truckface
- It could be possible they are using the SPAS-12 in semi-auto only. -User:1morey August 8, 2016 8:09 PM (EST)
Mystery solved: By looking at pictures of the rubber stunt prop, the clamp holding the flashlight is attached to an upside-down picatinny rail. The small kind, usually found on top of hunting rifles, but here fixed to the forearm lip. So the flashlight is indeed attached to the forearm. User:Quint August 11, 2016
Recently added
Aside from cylinder release, a number of other revolver makes/models look very similar to the Mk III Trooper, so unless you can confirm it has the Colt-style cylinder release I don't think that can be a definitive ID. Also might wanna just stick to one 'rifles' section; there's not that many to really necessitate splitting them into specific 'Assault', 'Sniper' and vanilla categories - That said, for the record, the HK91 isn't really considered an 'assault rifle' (in several senses). StanTheMan (talk) 02:18, 9 August 2016 (EDT)
- Gotcha. I had gone with the Colt Trooper because the base of the grip is pretty wide, but I did not rule out any of the S&W revolvers. Will edit changes. -User:1morey August 9, 2016 8:56 AM (EST)
Ajay's Rifle
Ajay's rifle seems to be the Model 70 African Super Grade in .458 win mag. That's the only model with the slanted fore-end cap, 2 crossbolts, and barrel mounted sling swivel. Post 64 model. Possibly 1970s era. -User:Jamie