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::And you can see [[Howa Type 89]] at this [[Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies|film]]. In the hands of Japanese policemen (or Special Forces: they weren't called at Russian dubbing version). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:47, 9 June 2014 (EDT) | ::And you can see [[Howa Type 89]] at this [[Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies|film]]. In the hands of Japanese policemen (or Special Forces: they weren't called at Russian dubbing version). [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 11:47, 9 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::The statement that Japan is absolute defenceless country is nonsense. JSDF isn't army only by name, in fact it's a powerful military force with about 250,000 men, more then 1000 tanks and AFVs, more than 300 combat planes and a naval force that contains two aircraft carriers, 40 destroyers and 20 submarines. So you still call Japan defenceless country? | :::The statement that Japan is absolute defenceless country is nonsense. JSDF isn't army only by name, in fact it's a powerful military force with about 250,000 men, more then 1000 tanks and AFVs, more than 300 combat planes and a naval force that contains two aircraft carriers, 40 destroyers and 20 submarines. So you still call Japan defenceless country? | ||
::::Maybe, I was wrong. I only know, that Japan was banned to possessing own army since 1945. Also, how do you think, is it military or not: [[Zombie Self-Defense Force#SIG-Sauer P228|this JSDF member]] and [[Stacy: Attack of the Schoolgirl Zombies#Howa Type 89|this policemen]]? [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 12:27, 9 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::You can find a lot of info about JSDF in Wikipedia. The complete banning of any military really had place in Japan in 1945 but in 1950 a so-called "National Police Reserve" was formed and in 1954 land, sea and air forces, called Japan Self-Defence Forces, were formed. It was a rebirth of Japanese military. BTW, there is a good chance that Japan will officially rename JSDF in Japanese Army/Navy in very recent time, maybe even this year. | |||
:::::Speaking about the people on screenshots, I cannot say anything as I'm poorly versed in modern uniforms and insignia. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:41, 9 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::::I believes you are right that Japan is banned of possessing any army since its defeat, which is why its modern "military" are named "Defense force" instead of regular army.It is true that they were created by US occupy force after WWII as armed police, but they were reorganized into military organization we see todays during the high of coldwar era. Anyway since they are created purposely only for "Self-Defense" they have no right to own any bombers and their aircraft carriers are just helicopter carrier with some capability to have VTOLs land but not fixed wing on their deck, I think that`s what make them different from what we call "Army""Marine"or "AirForce". I think they might be called "military" with capability to defense its territory but no enough to invade others(Which I believes they purposely done so to avoid similarity to the Imperial Japanese military).The one right here I think I see a rank insignia on the actress`s uniform, so i believes the film do intended to portrait JGSDF personals. About the one in that schoolgirl zombies, they have same uniforms as those we see in this film but I have never seen some reddish patch on real-life JSDF personals, I do not know what they are intended to do with this one. Do they say "Jieitai" or "Jieikan" or something like that in the movie?--[[User:IronWallDarkSun00th|IronWallDarkSun00th]] ([[User talk:IronWallDarkSun00th|talk]]) 13:55, 10 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::::::Don`t you think its better not to get some political stuffs involved in this?By the way I think its really stupid to rename these forces, they are solely created to protects and forbidden from firing their weapons even during their brief deployment in Iraq.--[[User:IronWallDarkSun00th|IronWallDarkSun00th]] ([[User talk:IronWallDarkSun00th|talk]]) 14:03, 10 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
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The revolver appears to be a Smith & Wesson Model 60, and it looks like there are a few SIG-Sauer P228s on the table. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:15, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
Shotgun looks like an Ithaca 37 model? --Clonehunter (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
Hi, I do believe that JSDF or Japan Self-Defense Forces are modern military organization belongs to Japan, not Japanese police. Despite that they cannot be called Army,Navy or Air Force they are still military. By the way I never had a chance to see this movie myself, are they being depicted as police in this movie? Plus I do believes that at least one P220 is in the movie(the second pistol from right among those on the table). Aren`t there any Type 89 in this movie? --IronWallDarkSun00th (talk) 12:20, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
- Hi! JSDF isn't military but civilian organisation. It some variant of military police. Japan hasn't all form of own army since 1945. Japan can't possess own army due they constitution (article 9). Japan is absolute defenceless country. Also, Howa Type 89 isn't present in this film. Also in Russian dubbing JSDF called as "Self-Defence Forces". So, I wrote: JSDF is a special Forces. Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:41, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
- And you can see Howa Type 89 at this film. In the hands of Japanese policemen (or Special Forces: they weren't called at Russian dubbing version). Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:47, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
- The statement that Japan is absolute defenceless country is nonsense. JSDF isn't army only by name, in fact it's a powerful military force with about 250,000 men, more then 1000 tanks and AFVs, more than 300 combat planes and a naval force that contains two aircraft carriers, 40 destroyers and 20 submarines. So you still call Japan defenceless country?
- Maybe, I was wrong. I only know, that Japan was banned to possessing own army since 1945. Also, how do you think, is it military or not: this JSDF member and this policemen? Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
- You can find a lot of info about JSDF in Wikipedia. The complete banning of any military really had place in Japan in 1945 but in 1950 a so-called "National Police Reserve" was formed and in 1954 land, sea and air forces, called Japan Self-Defence Forces, were formed. It was a rebirth of Japanese military. BTW, there is a good chance that Japan will officially rename JSDF in Japanese Army/Navy in very recent time, maybe even this year.
- Speaking about the people on screenshots, I cannot say anything as I'm poorly versed in modern uniforms and insignia. Greg-Z (talk) 12:41, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
- I believes you are right that Japan is banned of possessing any army since its defeat, which is why its modern "military" are named "Defense force" instead of regular army.It is true that they were created by US occupy force after WWII as armed police, but they were reorganized into military organization we see todays during the high of coldwar era. Anyway since they are created purposely only for "Self-Defense" they have no right to own any bombers and their aircraft carriers are just helicopter carrier with some capability to have VTOLs land but not fixed wing on their deck, I think that`s what make them different from what we call "Army""Marine"or "AirForce". I think they might be called "military" with capability to defense its territory but no enough to invade others(Which I believes they purposely done so to avoid similarity to the Imperial Japanese military).The one right here I think I see a rank insignia on the actress`s uniform, so i believes the film do intended to portrait JGSDF personals. About the one in that schoolgirl zombies, they have same uniforms as those we see in this film but I have never seen some reddish patch on real-life JSDF personals, I do not know what they are intended to do with this one. Do they say "Jieitai" or "Jieikan" or something like that in the movie?--IronWallDarkSun00th (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
- Don`t you think its better not to get some political stuffs involved in this?By the way I think its really stupid to rename these forces, they are solely created to protects and forbidden from firing their weapons even during their brief deployment in Iraq.--IronWallDarkSun00th (talk) 14:03, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
- I believes you are right that Japan is banned of possessing any army since its defeat, which is why its modern "military" are named "Defense force" instead of regular army.It is true that they were created by US occupy force after WWII as armed police, but they were reorganized into military organization we see todays during the high of coldwar era. Anyway since they are created purposely only for "Self-Defense" they have no right to own any bombers and their aircraft carriers are just helicopter carrier with some capability to have VTOLs land but not fixed wing on their deck, I think that`s what make them different from what we call "Army""Marine"or "AirForce". I think they might be called "military" with capability to defense its territory but no enough to invade others(Which I believes they purposely done so to avoid similarity to the Imperial Japanese military).The one right here I think I see a rank insignia on the actress`s uniform, so i believes the film do intended to portrait JGSDF personals. About the one in that schoolgirl zombies, they have same uniforms as those we see in this film but I have never seen some reddish patch on real-life JSDF personals, I do not know what they are intended to do with this one. Do they say "Jieitai" or "Jieikan" or something like that in the movie?--IronWallDarkSun00th (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2014 (EDT)
- Maybe, I was wrong. I only know, that Japan was banned to possessing own army since 1945. Also, how do you think, is it military or not: this JSDF member and this policemen? Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2014 (EDT)
- The statement that Japan is absolute defenceless country is nonsense. JSDF isn't army only by name, in fact it's a powerful military force with about 250,000 men, more then 1000 tanks and AFVs, more than 300 combat planes and a naval force that contains two aircraft carriers, 40 destroyers and 20 submarines. So you still call Japan defenceless country?
- And you can see Howa Type 89 at this film. In the hands of Japanese policemen (or Special Forces: they weren't called at Russian dubbing version). Pyramid Silent (talk) 11:47, 9 June 2014 (EDT)