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=Please help ID= | |||
Please help ID this carbine. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 12:51, 29 June 2015 (EDT) | |||
[[File:Kingsman 49.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
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=Trivia= | |||
==FN MK 13 EGLM== | |||
Although not seen in the film, Gazelle ([[Sofia Boutella]]) wields a black stand-alone [[FN EGLM|FN MK 13]] grenade launcher in a poster and promotional photos for the film. | |||
[[Image:FN40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Late Model FN MK 13 EGLM - 40x46mm]] | |||
[[Image:KingsmanFNMK13Poster.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Gazelle ([[Sofia Boutella]]) wields a stand-alone FN MK 13.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
Hello, Creating this page so hopefully someone can help me identify the firearms in this upcoming film. The trailer (link below) shows a number of firearms mounted on display and in use. The one gun that most intrigues me are the pistols that appear to be standard issue with "Kingsman", they appear to be Colt 1903/1908 hammerless? There are some Ar-15 type rifles visible, a subcompact glock in silouette and a sniper rifle too. I recall kick ass 2 had a page before the film came out identifying firearms in the trailer. | Hello, Creating this page so hopefully someone can help me identify the firearms in this upcoming film. The trailer (link below) shows a number of firearms mounted on display and in use. The one gun that most intrigues me are the pistols that appear to be standard issue with "Kingsman", they appear to be Colt 1903/1908 hammerless? There are some Ar-15 type rifles visible, a subcompact glock in silouette and a sniper rifle too. I recall kick ass 2 had a page before the film came out identifying firearms in the trailer. | ||
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--[[User:Tomnorthwales|Tomnorthwales]] ([[User talk:Tomnorthwales|talk]]) 09:36, 8 June 2014 (EDT) | --[[User:Tomnorthwales|Tomnorthwales]] ([[User talk:Tomnorthwales|talk]]) 09:36, 8 June 2014 (EDT) | ||
Given the size, can theses be Tokarevs? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:29, 8 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Actually, nevermind. I have no idea what these can be. I don't think they're Colts either. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:31, 8 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
Those are Tokarevs. Custom grip panels and missing the hammer, but they are. [[User:Pepper|Pepper]] ([[User talk:Pepper|talk]]) 20:58, 9 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
My first thought was Tokarevs as well due to the serrations. I was quite impressed they seemed to have filed away the hammers to make it appear hammerless and worked on the body to change it cosmetically. However Having seen the post below I agree that they are Colt Pocket Hammerless pistols, nice knowledge! - StaticHunter | |||
Zooming the waistband image up shows that the right hand pistol has a slide stop and mag release button,which '03 Colts don't.Also the slide serrations seem to have been deeply milled away. They are way too big to be Colts,so I'm going with Tokarev,for now.Looks like the armourers and art directors have done their job:confuse the heck out of us.--[[User:Tecolote|Tecolote]] ([[User talk:Tecolote|talk]]) 01:25, 13 February 2015 (EST) | |||
Those guns confuse the hell out of me. Sure they do look like TTs, and early ones at that, but... that trigger. Various characters in the movie put their fingers behind the triggers, you can't do that with a TT. --[[User:Seriously Mike|Seriously Mike]] ([[User talk:Seriously Mike|talk]]) 05:27, 23 February 2015 (EST) | |||
If you look closely, the pistols have two triggers. The more prominent one that we see would be for the underbarrel shotgun while the second one behind it (you can barely make it out but it's there) operates the pistol. Very classy looking pistols.--[[User:ODnick717|ODnick717]] ([[User talk:ODnick717|talk]]) 18:25, 23 February 2015 (EST) | |||
:I now feel ''very'' stupid for not realizing this. xD [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:54, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
Speaking of the underbarrel shotguns, does anyone know what kind of performance a 1-2 inch barrel like that would give with what I assume are 12ga shells? I've seen videos of shells being set off outside barrels, which has basically no power at all because most powder won't burn. A barrel means it should work better but considering how short the barrel is, it still seems like it would be fairly weak, maybe only capable of killing someone if it were pressed to their head. Maybe it was intended for breaching doors or something? I think Galahad fired the shotgun in the church scene, but I'm not sure. [[User:S3anyBoy|S3anyBoy]] ([[User talk:S3anyBoy|talk]]) 12:13, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
:It looks like it would barely do more than contain the cartridge if you include room for a striker or hammer, so basically it'd be more like the cartridge was an explosion throwing out shrapnel than a gun, and a cartridge isn't much of an explosion. Probably be throwing out shot in a cone 90 or more degrees wide at the muzzle (wide enough that upward spread might ding the suppressor sometimes) with about the stopping power of an air rifle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:24, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
::I don't think there's any way these can be 12 gauge rounds. Maybe a .410 or one of those CCI pistol-caliber shot shells. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:36, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Well, scaling off the 7.62mm barrel they do seem at least twice the size, so they'd have to be something like 20 gauge at least. Maybe it's there in case you encounter a nasty-looking squirrel. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:37, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
::::Oh, I didn't see that last one with the lady. It does look much bigger. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:43, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
I'm wondering how this can hold 10 rounds. The only idea is that this is due to a more flexible spring in the magazine (similar to the modern M1911 mags), which allows you to load on the 1 round more + 1 chambered. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 08:34, 16 May 2018 (EDT) | |||
==Kingsman Arsenal== | |||
The sniper rifles in the center cabinet are (at least I am pretty sure they are) all Accuracy International products. The first and third rifles (in the center cabinet) are Accuracy International AX50 rifles in .50BMG and the second and fourth rifles are [[Accuracy International AX308]]s. I am going by the size of the mags as well as the muzzle brakes on both weapons as identifiers. In addition the rifles on the left both appear to be [[Heckler & Koch HK416|HK416]]s and the ones on the right also seem to be [[Bushmaster ACR]]s (again I believe so). --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 20:59, 10 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== New Poster == | |||
In a play on the Bond film [[For Your Eyes Only]] various characters (in this case [[Colin Firth]]) are seen standing between the legs of someone who appears to be holding a stand alone [[FN EGLM]]. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 05:56, 27 November 2014 (EST) | |||
[[File:Kingsman Promo -1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] | |||
==Merlin's HK== | |||
It looked (and sounded, jeez) like a 417 to me; it also had aftermarket flip-up sights. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:38, 22 February 2015 (EST) | |||
: 417? Odd. I was pretty certain that was a 416, as for the sound, foley artists usually spice up the gunshots in post so they sound more interesting (I've heard loads of different guns firing in movies and video games, reality got nothing on those ;) ). --[[User:Seriously Mike|Seriously Mike]] ([[User talk:Seriously Mike|talk]]) 05:27, 23 February 2015 (EST) | |||
::That's why I put the sound bit in brackets, but either way it sounded ''very'' beefy; I was impressed. Oh, found it, it was the short mags with that slightly wider baseplate that [http://40.media.tumblr.com/8631a8a2cd8dcc8d92c71a5ae50aea25/tumblr_ne3j8kvk6Y1qgaz2ao1_1280.png made me think 417]. Now that I see the picture I also remember being able to read "HK 416 D" on it during the movie. :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:03, 24 February 2015 (EST) | |||
==Additional== | |||
[[Image:ColtHammerlessWaistband.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Being withdrawn from someone's rear waistband.]] | |||
[[Image:KingsmanGuardwithAPC9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:KingsmanGuardswithSCARs.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
=WORK IN PROGRESS PAGE (keep all chat above here)= | |||
[[Image:Kingsman-secret-service-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Kingsman: The Secret Service'' (2014)]] | [[Image:Kingsman-secret-service-poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Kingsman: The Secret Service'' (2014)]] | ||
''''Kingsman: The Secret Service'''' is an | ''''Kingsman: The Secret Service'''' is an upcoming British [[spy film]] from director [[Mathew Vaughan]]. The film is based on the comic book ''The Scret Service'' by Mark Millar and Dave Gibbons. It is the second original comic of Mark Millar that Matthew Vaughn has adapted to film, following on from [[Kick-Ass]] | ||
==Colt Pocket Hammerless== | ==Colt Pocket Hammerless== | ||
Various members of Kingsman are seen using what appears to be [[Colt Pocket Hammerless | Various members of Kingsman are seen using what appears to be a [[Colt Model 1903/1908]] Pocket Hammerless pistol. | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:ColtM1903HammerlessWoodGrips.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt 1903 Hammerless with Colt Wood Grips - .32 ACP]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Kingsman-ColtHammerless.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless - unknown caliber, .32ACP or .380ACP, with what appears to be an under barrel torch and a small suppressor mounted on the wall above.]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:ColtHammerlessWaistband.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Being withdrawn from the someone's rear waistband.]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:Kingsman-ColtHammerlessAgent.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A female Kingsman agent is seen aiming a Colt Model 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless]] | ||
Latest revision as of 12:34, 16 May 2018
Please help ID
Please help ID this carbine. --Ben41 (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2015 (EDT)
Trivia
FN MK 13 EGLM
Although not seen in the film, Gazelle (Sofia Boutella) wields a black stand-alone FN MK 13 grenade launcher in a poster and promotional photos for the film.
Discussion
Hello, Creating this page so hopefully someone can help me identify the firearms in this upcoming film. The trailer (link below) shows a number of firearms mounted on display and in use. The one gun that most intrigues me are the pistols that appear to be standard issue with "Kingsman", they appear to be Colt 1903/1908 hammerless? There are some Ar-15 type rifles visible, a subcompact glock in silouette and a sniper rifle too. I recall kick ass 2 had a page before the film came out identifying firearms in the trailer.
TRAILER ---> [1]
--Tomnorthwales (talk) 09:36, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Given the size, can theses be Tokarevs? --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
- Actually, nevermind. I have no idea what these can be. I don't think they're Colts either. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2014 (EDT)
Those are Tokarevs. Custom grip panels and missing the hammer, but they are. Pepper (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
My first thought was Tokarevs as well due to the serrations. I was quite impressed they seemed to have filed away the hammers to make it appear hammerless and worked on the body to change it cosmetically. However Having seen the post below I agree that they are Colt Pocket Hammerless pistols, nice knowledge! - StaticHunter Zooming the waistband image up shows that the right hand pistol has a slide stop and mag release button,which '03 Colts don't.Also the slide serrations seem to have been deeply milled away. They are way too big to be Colts,so I'm going with Tokarev,for now.Looks like the armourers and art directors have done their job:confuse the heck out of us.--Tecolote (talk) 01:25, 13 February 2015 (EST)
Those guns confuse the hell out of me. Sure they do look like TTs, and early ones at that, but... that trigger. Various characters in the movie put their fingers behind the triggers, you can't do that with a TT. --Seriously Mike (talk) 05:27, 23 February 2015 (EST)
If you look closely, the pistols have two triggers. The more prominent one that we see would be for the underbarrel shotgun while the second one behind it (you can barely make it out but it's there) operates the pistol. Very classy looking pistols.--ODnick717 (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2015 (EST)
- I now feel very stupid for not realizing this. xD Alex T Snow (talk) 02:54, 24 February 2015 (EST)
Speaking of the underbarrel shotguns, does anyone know what kind of performance a 1-2 inch barrel like that would give with what I assume are 12ga shells? I've seen videos of shells being set off outside barrels, which has basically no power at all because most powder won't burn. A barrel means it should work better but considering how short the barrel is, it still seems like it would be fairly weak, maybe only capable of killing someone if it were pressed to their head. Maybe it was intended for breaching doors or something? I think Galahad fired the shotgun in the church scene, but I'm not sure. S3anyBoy (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2015 (EST)
- It looks like it would barely do more than contain the cartridge if you include room for a striker or hammer, so basically it'd be more like the cartridge was an explosion throwing out shrapnel than a gun, and a cartridge isn't much of an explosion. Probably be throwing out shot in a cone 90 or more degrees wide at the muzzle (wide enough that upward spread might ding the suppressor sometimes) with about the stopping power of an air rifle. Evil Tim (talk) 17:24, 24 February 2015 (EST)
- I don't think there's any way these can be 12 gauge rounds. Maybe a .410 or one of those CCI pistol-caliber shot shells. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2015 (EST)
- Well, scaling off the 7.62mm barrel they do seem at least twice the size, so they'd have to be something like 20 gauge at least. Maybe it's there in case you encounter a nasty-looking squirrel. Evil Tim (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2015 (EST)
- Oh, I didn't see that last one with the lady. It does look much bigger. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2015 (EST)
- Well, scaling off the 7.62mm barrel they do seem at least twice the size, so they'd have to be something like 20 gauge at least. Maybe it's there in case you encounter a nasty-looking squirrel. Evil Tim (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2015 (EST)
- I don't think there's any way these can be 12 gauge rounds. Maybe a .410 or one of those CCI pistol-caliber shot shells. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2015 (EST)
I'm wondering how this can hold 10 rounds. The only idea is that this is due to a more flexible spring in the magazine (similar to the modern M1911 mags), which allows you to load on the 1 round more + 1 chambered. --Slon95 (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2018 (EDT)
Kingsman Arsenal
The sniper rifles in the center cabinet are (at least I am pretty sure they are) all Accuracy International products. The first and third rifles (in the center cabinet) are Accuracy International AX50 rifles in .50BMG and the second and fourth rifles are Accuracy International AX308s. I am going by the size of the mags as well as the muzzle brakes on both weapons as identifiers. In addition the rifles on the left both appear to be HK416s and the ones on the right also seem to be Bushmaster ACRs (again I believe so). --Charon68 (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
New Poster
In a play on the Bond film For Your Eyes Only various characters (in this case Colin Firth) are seen standing between the legs of someone who appears to be holding a stand alone FN EGLM. --Charon68 (talk) 05:56, 27 November 2014 (EST)
Merlin's HK
It looked (and sounded, jeez) like a 417 to me; it also had aftermarket flip-up sights. Alex T Snow (talk) 03:38, 22 February 2015 (EST)
- 417? Odd. I was pretty certain that was a 416, as for the sound, foley artists usually spice up the gunshots in post so they sound more interesting (I've heard loads of different guns firing in movies and video games, reality got nothing on those ;) ). --Seriously Mike (talk) 05:27, 23 February 2015 (EST)
- That's why I put the sound bit in brackets, but either way it sounded very beefy; I was impressed. Oh, found it, it was the short mags with that slightly wider baseplate that made me think 417. Now that I see the picture I also remember being able to read "HK 416 D" on it during the movie. :/ Alex T Snow (talk) 03:03, 24 February 2015 (EST)
Additional
WORK IN PROGRESS PAGE (keep all chat above here)
'Kingsman: The Secret Service' is an upcoming British spy film from director Mathew Vaughan. The film is based on the comic book The Scret Service by Mark Millar and Dave Gibbons. It is the second original comic of Mark Millar that Matthew Vaughn has adapted to film, following on from Kick-Ass
Colt Pocket Hammerless
Various members of Kingsman are seen using what appears to be a Colt Model 1903/1908 Pocket Hammerless pistol.
