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[[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]] | [[File:24LADM42.jpg|thumb|none|602px|A USAF airman holds the carbine in "Day 9: 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m." (S9E01).]] | ||
[[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]] | [[File:24LADHecklerMP7.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]] | ||
[[File:24LADJB1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) holds his [[Heckler & Koch P30]] in a production image.]] | |||
[[File:24LADE02 00.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack infiltrates Bashar's hideout in London with his P30 drawn out in "Day 9: 12:00 p.m. – 1:00 p.m." (S9E02).]] | |||
[[File:24LADJB2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer draws his P30 in a production image.]] | |||
[[File:24LADBauerHeckler1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Jack Bauer loads the P30.]] | |||
[[File:24LADBauerHeckler2.jpg|thumb|none|602px|And chambers it.]] | |||
[[File:24LADBauerHeckler3.jpg|thumb|none|602px|]] | |||
==M84 Grenade== | |||
M84s are seen throughout the season as distraction devices. | |||
[[File:24LADJIB M84.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Damian Mitchell shows off two unused M84s from the "Jack is Back" Special episode.]] | |||
==Cornershot== | |||
The Cornershot is first seen in the "Jack is Back" Special episode. | |||
[[File:24LADJIB Cornershot.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Damian Mitchell shows off a Cornershot with a mounted Glock 17 from the "Jack is Back" Special episode.]] | |||
== British troops? == | == British troops? == | ||
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[[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] | [[Image:24LADM41.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] | ||
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT) | The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT) | ||
Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:24S9E01 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
:I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Weapons seen== | |||
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
It could be the same rifle shown by the armorer (also seen in the picture on the page)since its next to MP7 and if I remember he also said it was one of the weapons used by the CIA on the show I mean --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 02:41, 16 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Lack of trigger discipline == | |||
Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
Cup and saucer is worse in my eyes, but its the problem with most shows/movies, there a few excelent ones strike back comes to mind, but we can't really complain that much they are actors, and trigger discipline ,proper grip and all else has to be learned ,most of them think they are badasses from having 2 hours of weapons hth training, look at interviews. OK Cruise has learned a lot during his movies and probably some others, but it has to be their effort or they have to have long training sesions like they did on SB with ex-SAS guys training them of set. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 05:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== SW99 == | |||
I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT). | |||
: You're right, there's a safety on the slide. I changed it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:23, 9 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== BTS Carbine == | |||
It's clearly an M933 by the barrel length, so would anyone have any opposition to me moving it to its own category? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:14, 15 May 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Compact Pistol == | |||
Kate takes a compact gun from one of her torturers and uses it to kill the other one. I remember thinking at the time that it was an M&P compact but there wasn't a clear enough shot of it. Does anyone know what it was? --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 03:12, 11 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
== SIG Sauer P226 == | |||
In "Day 9: 4:00 p.m. – 5:00 p.m." (S9E06), I could have sworn I seen Jack loading and holstering a SIG Sauer P226R just before he is sent back into the field just before he is confronted by Mark Boudreau. I could be wrong, and it might be his P30, can anyone confirm?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 04:27, 11 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:24S9E06 32.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
Thanks yet again, Ben.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 20:25, 11 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
I'm not so sure it is a P226R. It's definitely a P226, but what model?--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 01:07, 12 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
Never mind. I just couldn't see the rail from that angle.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] ([[User talk:Coltmth|talk]]) 01:17, 12 June 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Navarro Enfield L85A2 == | |||
In "8:00 p.m. – 9:00 p.m" (S9E10), Navarro takes an Enfield L85A2 off an English soldier and uses it to fire at Jack for a brief moment during their chase. Can anyone get a screencap?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 04:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
Thanks for taking the request.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 04:19, 12 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Beretta 92FS Inox == | |||
Good work on the page. Just want to point out, in the finale, one of Cheng Zhi's men had a Beretta 92FS Inox which can be seen just before Jack takes down Cheng Zhi. As for the sniper rifle, it looked very similar to a Bushmaster ACR in terms of configuration. --[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 05:34, 18 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
Thanks for the shot. Also I don't think Belcheck's pistol in the finale is a P226R, it looks a lot like one of the [[SIG Pro]]s to me.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 06:03, 18 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:24S9E12 27.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SIG also appears to be the pistol carried by Belcheck ([[Branko Tomovic]]) in the season finale "Day 9: 10:00 p.m. – 11:00 a.m." (S9E12). ]] | |||
[[File:24S9E12 25.jpg|thumb|none|600px| in the season finale "Day 9: 10:00 p.m. – 11:00 a.m." (S9E12). ]] | |||
I'm just saying the top shot looks quite similar to the gun image below in time of slide grooves and double stack bulges, but the bottom shot does look like a P226 to an extant, but the trigger guard appears to be rounded so it looks to be either a SP 2009 or SP 2340.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] ([[User talk:Alienqueen11|talk]]) 06:20, 18 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Gsg9-1.jpg|thumb|none|351px|SIG Pro SP 2009 - 9x19mm]] | |||
You're right, a SIG Pro. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 18:21, 18 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== AKS-47 == | |||
Isn't the main difference between the AKS-47 and the Type 56-1 is the front sight? Since Belcheck's rifle has a hooded front sight, doesn't that make it a Type 56-1? --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 11:14, 19 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
== USP Compact Cameo missed out on == | |||
It would have been nice to see Jack's old USP Compact make a Cameo somewhere, It's as iconic as Die Hard's Beretta. The SIG P226 that Jack was offered could have been the USP Compact, with Jack passing on it and asking for his P30 back instead. | |||
The full sized USP got a cameo instead, being used against Jack by the russians. Its not much but it is a little bit of a consolation. --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 14:48, 15 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
== ACR == | |||
I think it's a Bushmaster rather than a Remington. It's hard to see because of the lighting and graininess, but the ACR used appears to lack a third fire selector pictogram on the lower receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:32, 14 November 2016 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 03:32, 15 November 2016
How many more times can they keep this up?
The problem with thriller shows/movie franchises like 24 (i.e., thriller-type) is that every new installment has to top the previous one, otherwise viewers get bored. We've all seen the CTU getting bombed and nerve-gassed, suspects losing digits, etc. Our friend Jack normally faces a "ticking bomb" scenario a whopping 12 times a day on average just to keep the tension running (and viewers paying attention)! What's next, our friend Jack doing the unthinkable and actually talking down a terrorist (possibly with a dead man's switch and catching Jack without a gun) without resorting to violence? I'd be content if he even managed to successfully complete his mission this time around without using any of his famed "Jack Bauer Interrogation techniques."--Mazryonh (talk) 14:29, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
- You are entitled to your opinion, but it has been four years since the end of Season 8. I think people want Bauer to be back. This is going to create so much hype.--Coltmth (talk) 14:35, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
- They probably would've made a ninth season after Season 8, but Fox thought it was too expensive. I'm sure the ratings were there. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:05, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
4 years ago was when the financial crisis was in full swing, so it's likely that Fox had "budgetary reasons" in mind. But make no mistake; there will almost certainly be a torrent of negative online reaction either way for this new season. If it doesn't top the previous seasons in some "pleases everyone" manner, people will say "this is just Season X 2.0." If it does rely on a massive twist or the like, people will say that it was uncalled-for or gratuitous. They can't really win with these people. Besides, doesn't tension like 24's eventually run into diminishing returns due to the limited dramatic opportunities allowed by the clock and the focus on terror? I'm sure many (former) fans will greet the new season of "it's 8 PM and Jack Bauer is facing his 10th ticking bomb scenario" with "Yeah, so?". He's been shot up, blown up, left to die in a torture-using prison before being "sprung", etc. How much more suffering and tension can we watch on this show and still be hankering for more while not being fanatics about the show? Sooner or later people start blocking this out and become inured to it, just as is the case in real life. --Mazryonh (talk) 16:00, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
Additional
M84 Grenade
M84s are seen throughout the season as distraction devices.
Cornershot
The Cornershot is first seen in the "Jack is Back" Special episode.
British troops?
I haven't got around to watching this yet, but are the back two guys in this image supposed to be British?
The helmets caught my eye as they look like they could be the current Mk7 helmet, and then when I looked closer the guy in the middle appears to have an L85 with a railed handguard. --commando552 (talk) 19:13, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
Yeah they are British troops, lot of the plot revolves around US - UK debate ,about the drone program --Iceman (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2014 (EDT)
- I've seen it now, they both have the current(ish) version of the L85A2 with the ACOG on cantilever mount, mini red dot, DD railed handguard and Grip Pod. This is one of the only anywhere near accurate depictions of modern British soldiers that I can remember seeing in TV/movies as they have the correctly modded rifle, MTP camo (or multicam, can't really tell the difference), Mk 7 helmets and Mk 4 Osprey vests with correct British pouches. Only obvious mistake (to me anyway) is that big open patch of velcro at the front of both of their vests which should either be covered by a cummerbund if you want side plates, or an "OPS panel" if you don't. I guess the props guys just got the vest and pouches and didn't realise that they needed and extra piece to make it work properly. And I suppose you also have the error that the USAF guys are tooling around in a Streit Typhoon, but I imagine MRAPs are hard to get hold of so you can't be too picky. --commando552 (talk) 19:14, 7 May 2014 (EDT)
Well the truck can be excused, since this seems to take place in a sort of very near future setting, even though its meant as our days, notice how the main drone seemed to be a sentinel and it was implied to be the only one in use. --Iceman (talk) 05:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
- I thought the Sentinel was a nice futuristic touch (if memory serves, this series should be set in about 2020 if you follow the progression from series to series assuming the first was set in 2001), until they referred to it as an MQ-1 Predator in the dialogue. --commando552 (talk) 06:18, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
Weapons seen
The drug gang had an Uzi or two, and the Major in Iraq had a Beretta in a vest holster. Any idea what pistols the gang had, and I swear the CIA guys had a SMG/carbine that wasn't an MP7.--Mandolin (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
You mean the scene when the CIA SAD guys were surrounding Chloe's van? I saw it, too. It appeared to be a MK18 Mod 0 and had an EOTech sight on it. Spartan198 (talk) 02:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
It could be the same rifle shown by the armorer (also seen in the picture on the page)since its next to MP7 and if I remember he also said it was one of the weapons used by the CIA on the show I mean --Iceman (talk) 02:41, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
Lack of trigger discipline
Does it drive anyone else nuts that Kiefer Sutherland never practices trigger discipline? You'd think after ~13 years of playing a super badass, he would learn some basic gun safety. What's really funny though is most of the extras DO have trigger discipline. --Animalmenace (talk) 01:22, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
It's bugged me too, but also when Kiefer blinks while shooting. There must be a weapons expert or someone similar on set who trains the extras. I wonder if it's a deliberate thing that Jack always has his finger on the trigger because he's just that well disciplined not to accidentally fire off a shot.--Thomas (talk) 09:57, 8 May 2014 (EDT)
Cup and saucer is worse in my eyes, but its the problem with most shows/movies, there a few excelent ones strike back comes to mind, but we can't really complain that much they are actors, and trigger discipline ,proper grip and all else has to be learned ,most of them think they are badasses from having 2 hours of weapons hth training, look at interviews. OK Cruise has learned a lot during his movies and probably some others, but it has to be their effort or they have to have long training sesions like they did on SB with ex-SAS guys training them of set. --Iceman (talk) 05:55, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
SW99
I'm pretty sure the Serbian mob guy used a Beretta PX4 not a SW99 --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2014 (EDT).
BTS Carbine
It's clearly an M933 by the barrel length, so would anyone have any opposition to me moving it to its own category? Spartan198 (talk) 09:14, 15 May 2014 (EDT)
Compact Pistol
Kate takes a compact gun from one of her torturers and uses it to kill the other one. I remember thinking at the time that it was an M&P compact but there wasn't a clear enough shot of it. Does anyone know what it was? --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 03:12, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
SIG Sauer P226
In "Day 9: 4:00 p.m. – 5:00 p.m." (S9E06), I could have sworn I seen Jack loading and holstering a SIG Sauer P226R just before he is sent back into the field just before he is confronted by Mark Boudreau. I could be wrong, and it might be his P30, can anyone confirm?--Alienqueen11 (talk) 04:27, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
Thanks yet again, Ben.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
I'm not so sure it is a P226R. It's definitely a P226, but what model?--Coltmth (talk) 01:07, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
Never mind. I just couldn't see the rail from that angle.--Coltmth (talk) 01:17, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
In "8:00 p.m. – 9:00 p.m" (S9E10), Navarro takes an Enfield L85A2 off an English soldier and uses it to fire at Jack for a brief moment during their chase. Can anyone get a screencap?--Alienqueen11 (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
Thanks for taking the request.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 04:19, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
Beretta 92FS Inox
Good work on the page. Just want to point out, in the finale, one of Cheng Zhi's men had a Beretta 92FS Inox which can be seen just before Jack takes down Cheng Zhi. As for the sniper rifle, it looked very similar to a Bushmaster ACR in terms of configuration. --Alienqueen11 (talk) 05:34, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
Thanks for the shot. Also I don't think Belcheck's pistol in the finale is a P226R, it looks a lot like one of the SIG Pros to me.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 06:03, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
I'm just saying the top shot looks quite similar to the gun image below in time of slide grooves and double stack bulges, but the bottom shot does look like a P226 to an extant, but the trigger guard appears to be rounded so it looks to be either a SP 2009 or SP 2340.--Alienqueen11 (talk) 06:20, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
You're right, a SIG Pro. --Ben41 (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
AKS-47
Isn't the main difference between the AKS-47 and the Type 56-1 is the front sight? Since Belcheck's rifle has a hooded front sight, doesn't that make it a Type 56-1? --SmithandWesson36 (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
USP Compact Cameo missed out on
It would have been nice to see Jack's old USP Compact make a Cameo somewhere, It's as iconic as Die Hard's Beretta. The SIG P226 that Jack was offered could have been the USP Compact, with Jack passing on it and asking for his P30 back instead.
The full sized USP got a cameo instead, being used against Jack by the russians. Its not much but it is a little bit of a consolation. --Bauer2121 (talk) 14:48, 15 August 2014 (EDT)
ACR
I think it's a Bushmaster rather than a Remington. It's hard to see because of the lighting and graininess, but the ACR used appears to lack a third fire selector pictogram on the lower receiver. Spartan198 (talk) 22:32, 14 November 2016 (EST)