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==Charles Taylor's Armory==
These didn't really fit on the main page so here's some shots of [[Charles Taylor]]'s armory from the film.
[[Image:SEUArmory-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we see a [[Ruger Speed Six]], a [[M1911|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac]], another above it, a [[SIG-Sauer P226]], and a [[Glock 17]] above that.]]
I believe that is a Ruger Security six and not the Speed six.  If i remember correctly the speed six has a fixed back sight and the Security six has a adjustable back sight like the one in the picture.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SEUArmory-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here we see two Nite-Tacs, the tutone SIG P226, a Micro Uzi, a Beretta 92FS and a Taurus PT92 AFS. At the top is a full sized Uzi.]]
Actually, the first pistol on the lower left appears to be a nickel-plated 1911A1. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 00:45, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:SEUArmory-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A full shot of the table.]]


That's how much of the page he got done so far, he'll put the other weapons up tomorrow.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:22, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
== Images... ==
 
Anyone think we're all overdoing a bit w/the number of images that are posted? Takes forever to scroll thru 'em all & the page is a 1000Xs larger than it needs to be! How about an upper limit of say 3-5? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 20:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
: Blasphemy. Hot Fuzz has even more images, as well it should. [[Special:Contributions/24.228.54.78|24.228.54.78]] 21:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
::What's this "we" shit? I don't see you making pages. I've been better about going over on screencaps, but many of these shots show different users, different scenes, and do more than just document guns. I also made Hot Fuzz btw. Check my pages made, I've made a lot of pages. And I do upload a lot of screencaps sometimes, but I rarely do so without a cause. Try reading the captions under the images, they tend to show why I go over sometimes. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
:::Okay, no more "we shit" ;)  "YOU go overboard with screencaps" is what some posters are saying ... and you always take it personally, like they don't appreciate the hard work you do.  That's not the issue.  Of course you do hard work and much of it is excellent, but you seem to have a really hard time understanding why a lot of IMFDB users start getting tired of seeing 15-20 shots of the same gun. (BTW, you have gotten much better re: screencaps compared to the earlier pages, which of course, none of us can edit at all or else you'll kill us ;)  )  You have to start understanding that there is a point where viewers start saying to themselves ''"Alright already! Enough with the fucking gun! Get on with it already!"''  There has to be a filter where one sees that there is too much of a good thing.  Again this has nothing to do with the hard work.  It is incredibly hard work and you are thanked for it.  But don't confuse criticism for the editorial decision with insults to your hard work or direct insults for that matter.  For the record, I will never 'touch' one of your pages.  You're a mod, so it is inappropriate, but I am tempted to start cutting back some of the absolutely ridiculous pages made by new members.  It makes IMFDB look bad when it appears we have no restraint whatsoever when it comes to screencaps ([[We Were Soldiers#XM16E1|Like this section]])  Again, critiques of editorial choices are not insults to the man.  But we (IMFDB) are going to see more and more of these 'conflicts'.  MPM
:::BTW, I do like what you did on this page, even though I will never see this antigun film. MPM2008
::::Heh, that is my We Were Soldiers page. That was unexpected but i guess it was just matter of time until someone counted the screencaps and complained about them. I am really, really sorry. The gun porn in that movie was just too good.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's not like I pic a bunch of crappy shots though that barely show the gun. I try to pick the best of the best. I never have that "Enough already" mentallity, so maybe that's why I never understand what the big deal is. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
==Beretta 93R==
Smith ([[Clive Owen]]) is seen holding a [[Beretta 93R#Beretta 93R|Beretta 93R]] on an early promotional poster for the film.
[[Image:Beretta93-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R - 9mm.]]
[[Image:SEU-Beretta93R.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith holding a Beretta 93R on a promotional poster for ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''.]]
*It appears to be a "Fake" 93R, mocked up from a 92FS. The giveaway is the slide-mounted safety, barely visible.
 
 
== Desert Eagle ==
 
The screencap of the Desert Eagle closeup looks pretty clearly stamped with ".44". Also, the film was shot in Canada, which makes the usage of a .44 magnum handgun much more likely.
 
What does Canada have to do with the .44 Mag?...if that is your logic wouldn't it be more likely that its a airsoft...since it's filmed in Canada.[[Spades of Columbia]]
 
:Canadian armorers tend use .44 mag Desert Eagles, while American ones use mostly .357 or .50AE.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 
::''that is your logic wouldn't it be more likely that its a airsoft...since it's filmed in Canada''
 
::You think all of our pictures of screen-used guns from movies like ''[[Scarface]]'' and ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' are airsoft?  Movie armorers are specially licensed to own/rent/handle real weapons on movie sets, dude.  Doesn't matter what country they're in.  Anyway, most .44 Magnum Mark XIXs have the barrel "fluting", which this gun doesn't have, so it's probably .50 AE. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 
It was a joke towards Canada's harsh gun laws...I know they dont use airsoft and I was unaware that Canadians had a preference on what caliber desert eagles they use in all thier action flixs.[[Spades of Columbia]]
 
== This Film is Anti gun ==
Anyone else annoyed by this film's rhetoric and think it's anti-gun?
there were quotes like "What do you think of the 2nd Amendment now" and "why so people can go deer hunting with an uzi" all said by the hero -[[User:AdAstra2009]]
: I agree. How stupid is that, a shoot em up (actually named shoot em up) is anti gun. Or at least Smith is anti gun, which makes him a mega hypocrite. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I say it's anti-"Bad people having guns". I'd say Smith doesn't hate guns in themselves, or he hates guns, but acknowledges that there is no way to completely eradicate them. I dunno, I just watch this for the action. -protoAuthor
:::Christ, not this argument AGAIN... --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Best way to deal with this is to skip the scene when Smith talks to the Presidential candidate on the plane. Most of the egregious anti-gun crap comes from that scene alone. Just skip from when he sets up the meeting to the skydiving shootout.
 
Or, just skip the whole movie. It's not very good IMHO. There are much better films to watch "just for the action" that are not an affront to lawful sportsman and responsible gun owners and shooters. --[[User:James3|James3]] 14:47, 4 June 2012 (CDT)
 
== Just a question... ==
 
[[Image:SEURem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
 
Has that guy been turned into a cardboard cutout of himself by the blast from the shotgun? He looks rather flat. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 01:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:He '''does''' look flat. I won't put past that considering the rest of the movie.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's just a trick of the camera, he falls back and hits the wall after he's shot, so I doubt they could get a cardboard cut out to do that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
 
 
sorry i have to point out an error on the quotation given
its not Mr Bill Hertz it's Mr Karl Hertz
 
 
 
hope this helps
 
 
 
:~)
 
now we know the results of trap the hero of an action movies in a gun factory
 
 
 
== Just realize something  ==
I know this movie makes fun of itself but this one scene actually stood out watching it. The scene is the second time we see the Desert Eagle in the whore house and Clive Owens said it is a 6 shooter. Then Paul Giamatti mentions that Clive Owen's Taurus was empty (even though we see it later on), and then mentioned that the Glock he was holding can't be used by him. My question is, why didn't Clive Owen's character just take the mag out, and swap the ammo from that with his other gun that works? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:51, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
:Well, extracting the bullets one by one, then loading them into the other mag one by one would make for some rather boring cinema, don't you think. Plus, it's not like the other guys would just stand there and watch the process. -[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 17:28, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
::No, those guys in the hallway are all dead by the time they stepped outside the room. So they could of done it off screen. Do you know how fast you can load a mag and with this character, he did it pretty fast in the washroom [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:16, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
 
==Browning BDM==
I fail to see a resemblance --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 04:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 
== MP5K ==
 
I don't know if the photo on the set is ever maked with the same weapons used in the final version of the film, but the image below reveals that Smith fires an MP5KA4 and not an MP5K with navy group in the stairs scene how specificated in the page... --[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 21:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SmithHeckler.jpg|thumb|none|350px]]
 
:It might be a continuity error.  Our screencaps show that the MP5K has an SEF trigger group initially.  Though I can't really be sure, as I haven't seen this movie yet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== WTF? ==
I get the whole "suspension of disbelief" concept, but one thing about this movie still drives me nuts: ''where the hell did Smith get that animatronic baby''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 
You mean that you dont have a box of animatronic babies sitting around?
-Double Agent M
 
== Trigger Discipline ==
 
I get this movie is not realistic at all, but for someone who is amazing with firearms, shouldn't Smith have shown better trigger discipline? The only person I saw throughout the movie that exercised any Trigger Discipline was Hertz when he was reloading his Desert Eagle in the Hammerson Warehouse.
: You MIGHT be able to justify it if you consider that a.) He doesn't particularly care about his own life, and b.) 9 times out of 10 he doesn't especially care about the lives of whomever is around him, either. - 2wingo
 
== PPK and Desert Eagle ==
 
Did any one else think that the PPK looked tiny in Clive Owen's hands, more so than with other actors, making you think he has big hands; then when he handles the Desert Eagle it looks huge, which would have the oposite implications of the PPK? Thoughts? --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 09:51, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 09:38, 20 April 2015

Charles Taylor's Armory

These didn't really fit on the main page so here's some shots of Charles Taylor's armory from the film.

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Here we see a Ruger Speed Six, a Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac, another above it, a SIG-Sauer P226, and a Glock 17 above that.

I believe that is a Ruger Security six and not the Speed six. If i remember correctly the speed six has a fixed back sight and the Security six has a adjustable back sight like the one in the picture.--Spades of Columbia 00:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

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Here we see two Nite-Tacs, the tutone SIG P226, a Micro Uzi, a Beretta 92FS and a Taurus PT92 AFS. At the top is a full sized Uzi.

Actually, the first pistol on the lower left appears to be a nickel-plated 1911A1. --Sangheili1155 00:45, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

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A full shot of the table.

Images...

Anyone think we're all overdoing a bit w/the number of images that are posted? Takes forever to scroll thru 'em all & the page is a 1000Xs larger than it needs to be! How about an upper limit of say 3-5? Tommyt 20:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Blasphemy. Hot Fuzz has even more images, as well it should. 24.228.54.78 21:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
What's this "we" shit? I don't see you making pages. I've been better about going over on screencaps, but many of these shots show different users, different scenes, and do more than just document guns. I also made Hot Fuzz btw. Check my pages made, I've made a lot of pages. And I do upload a lot of screencaps sometimes, but I rarely do so without a cause. Try reading the captions under the images, they tend to show why I go over sometimes. - Gunmaster45
Okay, no more "we shit" ;) "YOU go overboard with screencaps" is what some posters are saying ... and you always take it personally, like they don't appreciate the hard work you do. That's not the issue. Of course you do hard work and much of it is excellent, but you seem to have a really hard time understanding why a lot of IMFDB users start getting tired of seeing 15-20 shots of the same gun. (BTW, you have gotten much better re: screencaps compared to the earlier pages, which of course, none of us can edit at all or else you'll kill us ;) ) You have to start understanding that there is a point where viewers start saying to themselves "Alright already! Enough with the fucking gun! Get on with it already!" There has to be a filter where one sees that there is too much of a good thing. Again this has nothing to do with the hard work. It is incredibly hard work and you are thanked for it. But don't confuse criticism for the editorial decision with insults to your hard work or direct insults for that matter. For the record, I will never 'touch' one of your pages. You're a mod, so it is inappropriate, but I am tempted to start cutting back some of the absolutely ridiculous pages made by new members. It makes IMFDB look bad when it appears we have no restraint whatsoever when it comes to screencaps (Like this section) Again, critiques of editorial choices are not insults to the man. But we (IMFDB) are going to see more and more of these 'conflicts'. MPM
BTW, I do like what you did on this page, even though I will never see this antigun film. MPM2008
Heh, that is my We Were Soldiers page. That was unexpected but i guess it was just matter of time until someone counted the screencaps and complained about them. I am really, really sorry. The gun porn in that movie was just too good.Oliveira 20:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
It's not like I pic a bunch of crappy shots though that barely show the gun. I try to pick the best of the best. I never have that "Enough already" mentallity, so maybe that's why I never understand what the big deal is. - Gunmaster45

Beretta 93R

Smith (Clive Owen) is seen holding a Beretta 93R on an early promotional poster for the film.

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Beretta 93R - 9mm.
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Smith holding a Beretta 93R on a promotional poster for Shoot 'Em Up.
  • It appears to be a "Fake" 93R, mocked up from a 92FS. The giveaway is the slide-mounted safety, barely visible.


Desert Eagle

The screencap of the Desert Eagle closeup looks pretty clearly stamped with ".44". Also, the film was shot in Canada, which makes the usage of a .44 magnum handgun much more likely.

What does Canada have to do with the .44 Mag?...if that is your logic wouldn't it be more likely that its a airsoft...since it's filmed in Canada.Spades of Columbia

Canadian armorers tend use .44 mag Desert Eagles, while American ones use mostly .357 or .50AE.--Predator20 23:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
that is your logic wouldn't it be more likely that its a airsoft...since it's filmed in Canada
You think all of our pictures of screen-used guns from movies like Scarface and Live Free or Die Hard are airsoft? Movie armorers are specially licensed to own/rent/handle real weapons on movie sets, dude. Doesn't matter what country they're in. Anyway, most .44 Magnum Mark XIXs have the barrel "fluting", which this gun doesn't have, so it's probably .50 AE. -MT2008 02:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

It was a joke towards Canada's harsh gun laws...I know they dont use airsoft and I was unaware that Canadians had a preference on what caliber desert eagles they use in all thier action flixs.Spades of Columbia

This Film is Anti gun

Anyone else annoyed by this film's rhetoric and think it's anti-gun? there were quotes like "What do you think of the 2nd Amendment now" and "why so people can go deer hunting with an uzi" all said by the hero -User:AdAstra2009

I agree. How stupid is that, a shoot em up (actually named shoot em up) is anti gun. Or at least Smith is anti gun, which makes him a mega hypocrite. - Gunmaster45
I say it's anti-"Bad people having guns". I'd say Smith doesn't hate guns in themselves, or he hates guns, but acknowledges that there is no way to completely eradicate them. I dunno, I just watch this for the action. -protoAuthor
Christ, not this argument AGAIN... --Clutch 03:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Best way to deal with this is to skip the scene when Smith talks to the Presidential candidate on the plane. Most of the egregious anti-gun crap comes from that scene alone. Just skip from when he sets up the meeting to the skydiving shootout.

Or, just skip the whole movie. It's not very good IMHO. There are much better films to watch "just for the action" that are not an affront to lawful sportsman and responsible gun owners and shooters. --James3 14:47, 4 June 2012 (CDT)

Just a question...

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Has that guy been turned into a cardboard cutout of himself by the blast from the shotgun? He looks rather flat. Dongs 01:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

He does look flat. I won't put past that considering the rest of the movie.-Oliveira 01:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
It's just a trick of the camera, he falls back and hits the wall after he's shot, so I doubt they could get a cardboard cut out to do that. - Gunmaster45


sorry i have to point out an error on the quotation given its not Mr Bill Hertz it's Mr Karl Hertz


hope this helps


~)

now we know the results of trap the hero of an action movies in a gun factory


Just realize something

I know this movie makes fun of itself but this one scene actually stood out watching it. The scene is the second time we see the Desert Eagle in the whore house and Clive Owens said it is a 6 shooter. Then Paul Giamatti mentions that Clive Owen's Taurus was empty (even though we see it later on), and then mentioned that the Glock he was holding can't be used by him. My question is, why didn't Clive Owen's character just take the mag out, and swap the ammo from that with his other gun that works? Excalibur01 16:51, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Well, extracting the bullets one by one, then loading them into the other mag one by one would make for some rather boring cinema, don't you think. Plus, it's not like the other guys would just stand there and watch the process. -Sentient6 17:28, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
No, those guys in the hallway are all dead by the time they stepped outside the room. So they could of done it off screen. Do you know how fast you can load a mag and with this character, he did it pretty fast in the washroom Excalibur01 18:16, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Browning BDM

I fail to see a resemblance --AdAstra2009 04:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

MP5K

I don't know if the photo on the set is ever maked with the same weapons used in the final version of the film, but the image below reveals that Smith fires an MP5KA4 and not an MP5K with navy group in the stairs scene how specificated in the page... --Charly Driver 21:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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It might be a continuity error. Our screencaps show that the MP5K has an SEF trigger group initially. Though I can't really be sure, as I haven't seen this movie yet. -MT2008 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

WTF?

I get the whole "suspension of disbelief" concept, but one thing about this movie still drives me nuts: where the hell did Smith get that animatronic baby? Spartan198 12:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

You mean that you dont have a box of animatronic babies sitting around? -Double Agent M

Trigger Discipline

I get this movie is not realistic at all, but for someone who is amazing with firearms, shouldn't Smith have shown better trigger discipline? The only person I saw throughout the movie that exercised any Trigger Discipline was Hertz when he was reloading his Desert Eagle in the Hammerson Warehouse.

You MIGHT be able to justify it if you consider that a.) He doesn't particularly care about his own life, and b.) 9 times out of 10 he doesn't especially care about the lives of whomever is around him, either. - 2wingo

PPK and Desert Eagle

Did any one else think that the PPK looked tiny in Clive Owen's hands, more so than with other actors, making you think he has big hands; then when he handles the Desert Eagle it looks huge, which would have the oposite implications of the PPK? Thoughts? --Rebusdi 09:51, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

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