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:Contrary to what you claim on the page, [[Jean Reno]] only uses the [[Glock 17L]] in the movie, never a [[Glock 17]]. Though there may be gun-related continuity errors in this movie, the Glock 17/17L switch does not appear to be one of them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 16:32, 27 January 2014 (EST) | :Contrary to what you claim on the page, [[Jean Reno]] only uses the [[Glock 17L]] in the movie, never a [[Glock 17]]. Though there may be gun-related continuity errors in this movie, the Glock 17/17L switch does not appear to be one of them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 16:32, 27 January 2014 (EST) | ||
::Yes, looks like I was wrong. Thank you! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2014 (EST) | ::Yes, looks like I was wrong. Thank you! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:::Those unidentified shotguns look to be a Benelli M3 with a side folding stock and surefire fore end in the first two pics and another Benelli with a pistol grip and a short barrel, it definitely has a relieved receiver for a charging handle. The unknown revolvers are almost certainly a snub nosed nickle Colt Python and the Smith and Wesson Model 586. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 18:55, 6 August 2019 (EDT) | |||
::::Thanks a lot!--[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:03, 7 August 2019 (EDT) | |||
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::::Well, some googling shows that there are single stack 8-round and double stack 14-round pistols in .45 caliber and both exist under the same name Nite-Tac without any additions. For example, [http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=paraord.dat&category=Para-Ordnance+Nite-Tac+Light+Rail+Models here] we see several single stack Nite-Tac pistols and next page (cannot put a direct link on it; need choose "Items 11-13" on the bottom of the first page) shows several double stack Nite-Tacs. Except bulges, they also have different triggers (but this may be a pure optional feature). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:26, 28 January 2014 (EST) | ::::Well, some googling shows that there are single stack 8-round and double stack 14-round pistols in .45 caliber and both exist under the same name Nite-Tac without any additions. For example, [http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=paraord.dat&category=Para-Ordnance+Nite-Tac+Light+Rail+Models here] we see several single stack Nite-Tac pistols and next page (cannot put a direct link on it; need choose "Items 11-13" on the bottom of the first page) shows several double stack Nite-Tacs. Except bulges, they also have different triggers (but this may be a pure optional feature). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:26, 28 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:::::Is the Nite-Tac actually a model then, or a series of pistols? Because I'm seeing single and double stack, bobbed and unbobbed hammers, and different sizes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST) | :::::Is the Nite-Tac actually a model then, or a series of pistols? Because I'm seeing single and double stack, bobbed and unbobbed hammers, and different sizes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST) | ||
::::::Seems to be the latter. Manufacturer's webcite doesn't contain Nite-Tac but visually same pistols are now produced under [http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/elite/elite.php Elite] and [http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/expert/expert.php Expert] trademarks. BTW, the company itself changed name in 2009 from Para-Ordnance to Para USA (they moved to North Carolina). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:36, 28 January 2014 (EST) | |||
==Rampoli's pistol == | ==Rampoli's pistol == | ||
Maybe a [[SIG P210]]? | Maybe a [[SIG P210]]? | ||
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:I had such idea but the space between the trigger guard and the magazine on MP5s seems too little to put a hand there while on the screenshot we see a hand next to trigger guard. Can it be MP7? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:31, 28 January 2014 (EST) | :I had such idea but the space between the trigger guard and the magazine on MP5s seems too little to put a hand there while on the screenshot we see a hand next to trigger guard. Can it be MP7? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:31, 28 January 2014 (EST) | ||
::I've never seen MP7 iron sights like that. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST) | ::I've never seen MP7 iron sights like that. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:Definitely a fullsize MP5 (A3 likely). The handguard is too long to be a K. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:35, 28 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::OK, but how this man managed to place his hand between trigger guard and magazine? Or he simply carries his MP5 unloaded? I also cannot explain to myself the strange shape of the rear end (maybe this is a folded UMP-style buttstock?). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:58, 28 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:I think he has his finger outside the trigger guard. That would make sense. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 09:23, 29 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::That would really make sense. OK, I agree. Thanks! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:47, 29 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== A Japanese article about this film == | |||
[http://d.hatena.ne.jp/hoghug/20111027/p2 Here] is a Japanese page that also studies firearms in ''22 Bullets''. Can anyone help with translation? Maybe we can find something interesting here. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:55, 28 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:I will translate the comment to the image.-[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]]([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 14:22, 29 January 2014 (JST) | |||
:*1st - is this GLock 34 or 17L ? | |||
:*2nd - Apparently, it seems 17L. Para-Ordnance New model's Nite-Tac Rail Model is put to the Silver slide. | |||
:*3rd - The second half, the change from Glock to SIG. | |||
:*4th - Scene to wind the vinyl tape on the grip portion of the 1911 automatic pistol, to prepare for the attack. | |||
:*5th - SIG Pro SP 2022 are used by police inspector Marie Goldman. | |||
:*6th - Introducing the pistol gang(Pascal Vasetto) uses from here(Images).This is [[Taurus PT900 Series]] with Silver Frame.Determined that '''PT908''' from the image. | |||
:*7th - Appeared in the birthday party of [[CZ 85]] (with Engravings). [http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/85-engravings.aspx CZUB Official site] | |||
:*8th - Gang(Pascal Vasetto) used Long guns. Mini-Uzi and Galil MAR. | |||
:*9th - This seems to be the Galil SAR. | |||
::Thank you! Now I have to agree about Galils. Really only SAR is used during the attack on Mattei's hideout while MAR is used during the kidnapping. About Vasetto's pistol: we identified it as Taurus PT945 while the author of the blog thinks it to be a PT908. As for myself, I cannot say anything. And last but not least: Fontarosa's pistol. I had no doubt while identifying it as Hi-Power, but CZ 85 is a very good guess, and I think that I was wrong. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:24, 29 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:::One more close inspection makes me to think that Fontaroza's pisol is a [[CZ 75B]] rather than CZ 85. But I'm not sure. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:16, 29 January 2014 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 11:03, 7 August 2019
Unidentified/Misidentified
This page is a complexity for me as I'm not able to identify many of screen used firearms. So any help would be greatly appreciated. The movie armorer was Maratier Armes & Costumes company (Hitman (2007), District B13, 36th Precinct), and maybe this will also help in identification. Greg-Z (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2014 (EST)
- Contrary to what you claim on the page, Jean Reno only uses the Glock 17L in the movie, never a Glock 17. Though there may be gun-related continuity errors in this movie, the Glock 17/17L switch does not appear to be one of them. -MT2008 (talk) 16:32, 27 January 2014 (EST)
- Yes, looks like I was wrong. Thank you! Greg-Z (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2014 (EST)
- Those unidentified shotguns look to be a Benelli M3 with a side folding stock and surefire fore end in the first two pics and another Benelli with a pistol grip and a short barrel, it definitely has a relieved receiver for a charging handle. The unknown revolvers are almost certainly a snub nosed nickle Colt Python and the Smith and Wesson Model 586. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2019 (EDT)
- Yes, looks like I was wrong. Thank you! Greg-Z (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2014 (EST)
IDs
Okay, here goes:
Unidentified Revolver 1
Maybe a snub-nosed S&W 586?
- The revolver bears a logo and it doesn't look like an S&W logo. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
SIG-Sauer P226
These don't look like P226s.
-Yeah, they look more like SP2022s --Warejaws (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2014 (EST)
SIG-Sauer P228
Looks more like a P225. The first image shows the lack of a double-stack bulge and the squared off trigger guard.
- Disagree, it has the wrong grips, and the angle is just off. I think that's just the same P226 that is used elsewhere in the film. -MT2008 (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2014 (EST)
- You're right, you can see the bulges in the second image. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:18, 27 January 2014 (EST)
M1911-style pistol 2
I think it's a Para Ordnance of some sort. You can see double-stack bulges in the grip in the closeup.
- Judging by the slide makings, it's a P14, but the slide serrations look back-slanted.--Mandolin (talk) 17:38, 27 January 2014 (EST)
Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac
I thought Nite-Tacs had bobbed hammers. You can see the hammer in the second image.
- The Nite-Tac marking is clearly seen on the slide (I rotated the image to read it). Or I'm wrong? Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
- Exactly the same version of Nite-Tac Greg-Z (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- I thought Nite-Tacs were double-stack. The images on the Nite-Tac page has double-stack bulges, while the one in the screencap and your link do not. Is the information on the page correct then? I don't think you'd be able to fit 14 rounds of .45 or 16 rounds of .40 without double stack bulges. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Well, some googling shows that there are single stack 8-round and double stack 14-round pistols in .45 caliber and both exist under the same name Nite-Tac without any additions. For example, here we see several single stack Nite-Tac pistols and next page (cannot put a direct link on it; need choose "Items 11-13" on the bottom of the first page) shows several double stack Nite-Tacs. Except bulges, they also have different triggers (but this may be a pure optional feature). Greg-Z (talk) 13:26, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Is the Nite-Tac actually a model then, or a series of pistols? Because I'm seeing single and double stack, bobbed and unbobbed hammers, and different sizes. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Seems to be the latter. Manufacturer's webcite doesn't contain Nite-Tac but visually same pistols are now produced under Elite and Expert trademarks. BTW, the company itself changed name in 2009 from Para-Ordnance to Para USA (they moved to North Carolina). Greg-Z (talk) 22:36, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Is the Nite-Tac actually a model then, or a series of pistols? Because I'm seeing single and double stack, bobbed and unbobbed hammers, and different sizes. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Well, some googling shows that there are single stack 8-round and double stack 14-round pistols in .45 caliber and both exist under the same name Nite-Tac without any additions. For example, here we see several single stack Nite-Tac pistols and next page (cannot put a direct link on it; need choose "Items 11-13" on the bottom of the first page) shows several double stack Nite-Tacs. Except bulges, they also have different triggers (but this may be a pure optional feature). Greg-Z (talk) 13:26, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- I thought Nite-Tacs were double-stack. The images on the Nite-Tac page has double-stack bulges, while the one in the screencap and your link do not. Is the information on the page correct then? I don't think you'd be able to fit 14 rounds of .45 or 16 rounds of .40 without double stack bulges. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Exactly the same version of Nite-Tac Greg-Z (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2014 (EST)
Rampoli's pistol
Maybe a SIG P210?
Vasetto's pistol
- Is the pistol on the first image really the same with the two-tone one on following screenshots? Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
Rabou's pistol
Looks like a USP.
UMP 9
I think these are just MP5s with UMP stocks.
Unknowns
Looks like a Heckler & Koch G36C.
--Funkychinaman (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2014 (EST)
That Para
Once again, that is not a P-14 but a P-18-9. You can clearly see P18-9 on the slide. The Hitman movie has the same gun.
bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 04:55, 28 January 2014 (EST)
Paolini's pistol
My guess would be a Taurus PT92. What looks like a frame-mounted safety is visible. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 07:13, 28 January 2014 (EST)
Unknowns
Is that an MP5 or MP5K? It's got the H&K-style sights. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- I had such idea but the space between the trigger guard and the magazine on MP5s seems too little to put a hand there while on the screenshot we see a hand next to trigger guard. Can it be MP7? Greg-Z (talk) 13:31, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- I've never seen MP7 iron sights like that. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- Definitely a fullsize MP5 (A3 likely). The handguard is too long to be a K. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- I think he has his finger outside the trigger guard. That would make sense. - bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 09:23, 29 January 2014 (EST)
A Japanese article about this film
Here is a Japanese page that also studies firearms in 22 Bullets. Can anyone help with translation? Maybe we can find something interesting here. Greg-Z (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- I will translate the comment to the image.-KINKI'boy(talk) 14:22, 29 January 2014 (JST)
- 1st - is this GLock 34 or 17L ?
- 2nd - Apparently, it seems 17L. Para-Ordnance New model's Nite-Tac Rail Model is put to the Silver slide.
- 3rd - The second half, the change from Glock to SIG.
- 4th - Scene to wind the vinyl tape on the grip portion of the 1911 automatic pistol, to prepare for the attack.
- 5th - SIG Pro SP 2022 are used by police inspector Marie Goldman.
- 6th - Introducing the pistol gang(Pascal Vasetto) uses from here(Images).This is Taurus PT900 Series with Silver Frame.Determined that PT908 from the image.
- 7th - Appeared in the birthday party of CZ 85 (with Engravings). CZUB Official site
- 8th - Gang(Pascal Vasetto) used Long guns. Mini-Uzi and Galil MAR.
- 9th - This seems to be the Galil SAR.
- Thank you! Now I have to agree about Galils. Really only SAR is used during the attack on Mattei's hideout while MAR is used during the kidnapping. About Vasetto's pistol: we identified it as Taurus PT945 while the author of the blog thinks it to be a PT908. As for myself, I cannot say anything. And last but not least: Fontarosa's pistol. I had no doubt while identifying it as Hi-Power, but CZ 85 is a very good guess, and I think that I was wrong. Greg-Z (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2014 (EST)