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This page is a complexity for me as I'm not able to identify many of screen used firearms. So any help would be greatly appreciated. The movie armorer was Maratier Armes & Costumes company (Hitman (2007), District B13, 36th Precinct), and maybe this will also help in identification. Greg-Z (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Contrary to what you claim on the page, Jean Reno only uses the Glock 17L in the movie, never a Glock 17. Though there may be gun-related continuity errors in this movie, the Glock 17/17L switch does not appear to be one of them. -MT2008 (talk) 16:32, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Yes, looks like I was wrong. Thank you! Greg-Z (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Those unidentified shotguns look to be a Benelli M3 with a side folding stock and surefire fore end in the first two pics and another Benelli with a pistol grip and a short barrel, it definitely has a relieved receiver for a charging handle. The unknown revolvers are almost certainly a snub nosed nickle Colt Python and the Smith and Wesson Model 586. Black Irish Paddy (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2019 (EDT)

Thanks a lot!--Greg-Z (talk) 07:03, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

IDs

Okay, here goes:

Unidentified Revolver 1

Maybe a snub-nosed S&W 586?

The revolver bears a logo and it doesn't look like an S&W logo. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

SIG-Sauer P226

These don't look like P226s.

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-Yeah, they look more like SP2022s --Warejaws (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Thanks, fixed. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

SIG-Sauer P228

Looks more like a P225. The first image shows the lack of a double-stack bulge and the squared off trigger guard.

Disagree, it has the wrong grips, and the angle is just off. I think that's just the same P226 that is used elsewhere in the film. -MT2008 (talk) 16:13, 27 January 2014 (EST)

You're right, you can see the bulges in the second image. --Funkychinaman (talk) 16:18, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Thanks, fixed. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

M1911-style pistol 2

I think it's a Para Ordnance of some sort. You can see double-stack bulges in the grip in the closeup.

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Judging by the slide makings, it's a P14, but the slide serrations look back-slanted.--Mandolin (talk) 17:38, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Agree, it's a P14. The shape of slide serration seems to be back-slanted only due to the angle of sight. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac

I thought Nite-Tacs had bobbed hammers. You can see the hammer in the second image.

The Nite-Tac marking is clearly seen on the slide (I rotated the image to read it). Or I'm wrong? Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Exactly the same version of Nite-Tac Greg-Z (talk) 00:07, 28 January 2014 (EST)

I thought Nite-Tacs were double-stack. The images on the Nite-Tac page has double-stack bulges, while the one in the screencap and your link do not. Is the information on the page correct then? I don't think you'd be able to fit 14 rounds of .45 or 16 rounds of .40 without double stack bulges. --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:59, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Well, some googling shows that there are single stack 8-round and double stack 14-round pistols in .45 caliber and both exist under the same name Nite-Tac without any additions. For example, here we see several single stack Nite-Tac pistols and next page (cannot put a direct link on it; need choose "Items 11-13" on the bottom of the first page) shows several double stack Nite-Tacs. Except bulges, they also have different triggers (but this may be a pure optional feature). Greg-Z (talk) 13:26, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Is the Nite-Tac actually a model then, or a series of pistols? Because I'm seeing single and double stack, bobbed and unbobbed hammers, and different sizes. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Seems to be the latter. Manufacturer's webcite doesn't contain Nite-Tac but visually same pistols are now produced under Elite and Expert trademarks. BTW, the company itself changed name in 2009 from Para-Ordnance to Para USA (they moved to North Carolina). Greg-Z (talk) 22:36, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Rampoli's pistol

Maybe a SIG P210?

Vasetto's pistol

Taurus PT945?

Is the pistol on the first image really the same with the two-tone one on following screenshots? Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Rabou's pistol

Looks like a USP.

Thanks, fixed. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

UMP 9

I think these are just MP5s with UMP stocks.

Thanks, fixed. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Unknowns

Looks like a Heckler & Koch G36C.

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--Funkychinaman (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2014 (EST)

Maybe... Need some more thinking. Greg-Z (talk) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)

That Para

Once again, that is not a P-14 but a P-18-9. You can clearly see P18-9 on the slide. The Hitman movie has the same gun.

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47 with his P18s crossed over his chest in the classic Hitman pose.

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A close view at the pistol.

Para Ordnance P-18-9 old version - 9x19mm

bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 04:55, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Thank you, and sorry for misunderstandings. Fixed. Greg-Z (talk) 04:57, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Paolini's pistol

My guess would be a Taurus PT92. What looks like a frame-mounted safety is visible. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 07:13, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Unknowns

Is that an MP5 or MP5K? It's got the H&K-style sights. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)

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I had such idea but the space between the trigger guard and the magazine on MP5s seems too little to put a hand there while on the screenshot we see a hand next to trigger guard. Can it be MP7? Greg-Z (talk) 13:31, 28 January 2014 (EST)

I've never seen MP7 iron sights like that. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)

Definitely a fullsize MP5 (A3 likely). The handguard is too long to be a K. bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 14:35, 28 January 2014 (EST)

OK, but how this man managed to place his hand between trigger guard and magazine? Or he simply carries his MP5 unloaded? I also cannot explain to myself the strange shape of the rear end (maybe this is a folded UMP-style buttstock?). Greg-Z (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2014 (EST)

I think he has his finger outside the trigger guard. That would make sense. - bozitojugg3rn4ut (talk) 09:23, 29 January 2014 (EST)

That would really make sense. OK, I agree. Thanks! Greg-Z (talk) 09:47, 29 January 2014 (EST)

A Japanese article about this film

Here is a Japanese page that also studies firearms in 22 Bullets. Can anyone help with translation? Maybe we can find something interesting here. Greg-Z (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2014 (EST)

I will translate the comment to the image.-KINKI'boy(talk) 14:22, 29 January 2014 (JST)

1st - is this GLock　34 or 17L ?
2nd - Apparently, it seems 17L. Para-Ordnance New model's Nite-Tac Rail Model is put to the Silver slide.
3rd - The second half, the change from Glock to SIG.
4th - Scene to wind the vinyl tape on the grip portion of the 1911 automatic pistol, to prepare for the attack.
5th - SIG Pro SP 2022 are used by police inspector Marie Goldman.
6th - Introducing the pistol gang(Pascal Vasetto) uses from here(Images).This is Taurus PT900 Series with Silver Frame.Determined that PT908 from the image.
7th - Appeared in the birthday party of CZ 85 (with Engravings). CZUB Official site
8th - Gang(Pascal Vasetto) used Long guns. Mini-Uzi and Galil MAR.
9th - This seems to be the Galil SAR.

Thank you! Now I have to agree about Galils. Really only SAR is used during the attack on Mattei's hideout while MAR is used during the kidnapping. About Vasetto's pistol: we identified it as Taurus PT945 while the author of the blog thinks it to be a PT908. As for myself, I cannot say anything. And last but not least: Fontarosa's pistol. I had no doubt while identifying it as Hi-Power, but CZ 85 is a very good guess, and I think that I was wrong. Greg-Z (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2014 (EST)

One more close inspection makes me to think that Fontaroza's pisol is a CZ 75B rather than CZ 85. But I'm not sure. Greg-Z (talk) 03:16, 29 January 2014 (EST)

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 == Unidentified/Misidentified ==
 This page is a complexity for me as I'm not able to identify many of screen used firearms. So any help would be greatly appreciated. The movie armorer was Maratier Armes & Costumes company (''[[Hitman (2007)]]'', ''[[District B13]]'', ''[[36th Precinct]]''), and maybe this will also help in identification. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:29, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+:Contrary to what you claim on the page, [[Jean Reno]] only uses the [[Glock 17L]] in the movie, never a [[Glock 17]]. Though there may be gun-related continuity errors in this movie, the Glock 17/17L switch does not appear to be one of them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 16:32, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+::Yes, looks like I was wrong. Thank you! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:04, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+:::Those unidentified shotguns look to be a Benelli M3 with a side folding stock and surefire fore end in the first two pics and another Benelli with a pistol grip and a short barrel, it definitely has a relieved receiver for a charging handle. The unknown revolvers are almost certainly a snub nosed nickle Colt Python and the Smith and Wesson Model 586. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 18:55, 6 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::Thanks a lot!--[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:03, 7 August 2019 (EDT)
 = IDs =
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 ==Unidentified Revolver 1==
 Maybe a snub-nosed S&W 586?
+: The revolver bears a logo and it doesn't look like an S&W logo. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==SIG-Sauer P226==
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 -Yeah, they look more like SP2022s --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 15:28, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+: Thanks, fixed. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==SIG-Sauer P228==
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 :Disagree, it has the wrong grips, and the angle is just off. I think that's just the same P226 that is used elsewhere in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 16:13, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+::You're right, you can see the bulges in the second image. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:18, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+:::Thanks, fixed. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==M1911-style pistol 2 ==
 I think it's a Para Ordnance of some sort. You can see double-stack bulges in the grip in the closeup.
 [[Image:22_Bullets-Colt-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+:Judging by the slide makings, it's a P14, but the slide serrations look back-slanted.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:38, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+::Agree, it's a P14. The shape of slide serration seems to be back-slanted only due to the angle of sight. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac ==
 I thought Nite-Tacs had bobbed hammers. You can see the hammer in the second image.
+:The Nite-Tac marking is clearly seen on the slide (I rotated the image to read it). Or I'm wrong? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+::[http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/DBImages/para-PRX745S.gif Exactly the same version of Nite-Tac] [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 00:07, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+:::I thought Nite-Tacs were double-stack. The images on the Nite-Tac page has double-stack bulges, while the one in the screencap and your link do not. Is the information on the page correct then? I don't think you'd be able to fit 14 rounds of .45 or 16 rounds of .40 without double stack bulges. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:59, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+::::Well, some googling shows that there are single stack 8-round and double stack 14-round pistols in .45 caliber and both exist under the same name Nite-Tac without any additions. For example, [http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=paraord.dat&category=Para-Ordnance+Nite-Tac+Light+Rail+Models here] we see several single stack Nite-Tac pistols and next page (cannot put a direct link on it; need choose "Items 11-13" on the bottom of the first page) shows several double stack Nite-Tacs. Except bulges, they also have different triggers (but this may be a pure optional feature). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:26, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+:::::Is the Nite-Tac actually a model then, or a series of pistols? Because I'm seeing single and double stack, bobbed and unbobbed hammers, and different sizes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+::::::Seems to be the latter. Manufacturer's webcite doesn't contain Nite-Tac but visually same pistols are now produced under [http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/elite/elite.php Elite] and [http://para-usa.com/2013/firearms/expert/expert.php Expert] trademarks. BTW, the company itself changed name in 2009 from Para-Ordnance to Para USA (they moved to North Carolina). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:36, 28 January 2014 (EST)
 ==Rampoli's pistol ==
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 ==Vasetto's pistol ==
 [[Taurus PT945]]?
+:Is the pistol on the first image really the same with the two-tone one on following screenshots? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==Rabou's pistol ==
 Looks like a USP.
+:Thanks, fixed. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==UMP 9==
 I think these are just MP5s with UMP stocks.
+:Thanks, fixed. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
 ==Unknowns==
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 [[Image:22 Bullets-SMG-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
 --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:56, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+:Maybe... Need some more thinking. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:33, 27 January 2014 (EST)
+== That Para ==
+Once again, that is not a P-14 but a P-18-9. You can clearly see P18-9 on the slide. The ''Hitman'' movie has the same gun.
+[[Image:Hit-P18-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|47 with his P18s crossed over his chest in the classic Hitman pose.]]
+[[File:22 Bullets-Colt-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close view at the pistol.]]
+[[File:Para P-18-9 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Para Ordnance P-18-9 old version - 9x19mm]]
+[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 04:55, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+:Thank you, and sorry for misunderstandings. Fixed. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:57, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+== Paolini's pistol ==
+My guess would be a Taurus PT92. What looks like a frame-mounted safety is visible. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:13, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+==Unknowns==
+Is that an MP5 or MP5K? It's got the H&K-style sights. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:10, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+[[File:22_Bullets-Weapons-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+:I had such idea but the space between the trigger guard and the magazine on MP5s seems too little to put a hand there while on the screenshot we see a hand next to trigger guard. Can it be MP7? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:31, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+::I've never seen MP7 iron sights like that. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:19, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+:Definitely a fullsize MP5 (A3 likely). The handguard is too long to be a K. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 14:35, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+::OK, but how this man managed to place his hand between trigger guard and magazine? Or he simply carries his MP5 unloaded? I also cannot explain to myself the strange shape of the rear end (maybe this is a folded UMP-style buttstock?). [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:58, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+:I think he has his finger outside the trigger guard. That would make sense. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 09:23, 29 January 2014 (EST)
+::That would really make sense. OK, I agree. Thanks! [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:47, 29 January 2014 (EST)
+== A Japanese article about this film ==
+[http://d.hatena.ne.jp/hoghug/20111027/p2 Here] is a Japanese page that also studies firearms in ''22 Bullets''. Can anyone help with translation? Maybe we can find something interesting here. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 22:55, 28 January 2014 (EST)
+:I will translate the comment to the image.-[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]]([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 14:22, 29 January 2014 (JST)
+:*1st - is this GLock　34 or 17L ?
+:*2nd - Apparently, it seems 17L. Para-Ordnance New model's Nite-Tac Rail Model is put to the Silver slide.
+:*3rd - The second half, the change from Glock to SIG.
+:*4th - Scene to wind the vinyl tape on the grip portion of the 1911 automatic pistol, to prepare for the attack.
+:*5th - SIG Pro SP 2022 are used by police inspector Marie Goldman.
+:*6th - Introducing the pistol gang(Pascal Vasetto) uses from here(Images).This is [[Taurus PT900 Series]] with Silver Frame.Determined that '''PT908''' from the image.
+:*7th - Appeared in the birthday party of [[CZ 85]] (with Engravings). [http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/85-engravings.aspx CZUB Official site]
+:*8th - Gang(Pascal Vasetto) used Long guns. Mini-Uzi and Galil MAR.
+:*9th - This seems to be the Galil SAR.
+::Thank you! Now I have to agree about Galils. Really only SAR is used during the attack on Mattei's hideout while MAR is used during the kidnapping. About Vasetto's pistol: we identified it as Taurus PT945 while the author of the blog thinks it to be a PT908. As for myself, I cannot say anything. And last but not least: Fontarosa's pistol. I had no doubt while identifying it as Hi-Power, but CZ 85 is a very good guess, and I think that I was wrong. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:24, 29 January 2014 (EST)
+:::One more close inspection makes me to think that Fontaroza's pisol is a [[CZ 75B]] rather than CZ 85. But I'm not sure. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:16, 29 January 2014 (EST)

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SIG-Sauer P226

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M1911-style pistol 2

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UMP 9

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Rabou's pistol

UMP 9

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