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: I guess it's an M/41, a Danish copy of Suomi manufactured by Madsen and Hovea weapon factories. Sorry, I couldn't find any image of this weapon but it's general outlook is similar to Swedish Husqvarna M1944, only with Suomi-style drum magazine. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:34, 19 January 2014 (EST) | : I guess it's an M/41, a Danish copy of Suomi manufactured by Madsen and Hovea weapon factories. Sorry, I couldn't find any image of this weapon but it's general outlook is similar to Swedish Husqvarna M1944, only with Suomi-style drum magazine. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:34, 19 January 2014 (EST) | ||
::While Swedish version of Suomi never used a drum magazine, I still think that the SMG on the last screenshot is a Danish M/41 while SMGs with different barrel shroud on previous screenshots are original Finnish-manufactured Suomi. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:21, 19 January 2014 (EST) | ::While Swedish version of Suomi never used a drum magazine, I still think that the SMG on the last screenshot is a Danish M/41 while SMGs with different barrel shroud on previous screenshots are original Finnish-manufactured Suomi. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:21, 19 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:::I concur with Greg. After all, Denmark ordered dozens of Suomis just before WWII, and only during WWII manufactured their own licensed copy. So it is likely these are Suomis.--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 12:00, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
During the firefight he used in the same submachine gun both types of magazines! It is there to see how changing one after another! http://media.theiapolis.com/d3/hJ4/iLO/wZK/image45.jpg --[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 16:03, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:I don't think it is a Danish M/41, as those are pretty distinctive with the more pistol gripped stock and front sight wings. Also, on the original Suomis the rear sight was an adjustable tangent one, whereas this appears to have the simpler rear flip sight of the Husqvarna. On the topic of this, where does the name "Husqvarna M1944" come from? I thought it was called the Husqvarna K-pist m/37 for the original in 9mm Browning Long, and Husqvarna K-pist m/37-39 for the 9x19mm version. Is this supposed to be a later version, because to me it just looks like an m/37-39. As for the mags, I'm not sure about the m/37 but the m/37-39 was used with both quad stack 50 round box mags and 70 round drums. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:33, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
::Danish is "Husqvarna/Suomi M/1944" - http://www.thm-online.dk/genstande/54-b5487/ --[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 03:45, 21 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:::To me that seems possibly wrong, as Husqvarna is Swedish and Suomi is Finish, so I don't get how something labelled as Husqvarna/Suomi can be Danish. As far as I know the Danish Suomis were made by Madsen, were called the M/41 and had a different more distinct design than this one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:43, 21 January 2014 (EST) Sorry, this is a misunderstanding, not a Danish product, but a Danish Manufacturer Part Number for a Swedish/Finish submachine gun.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 15:44, 21 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== Title == | == Title == | ||
It should be Flame and Lemon or Lemons, depending on the meaning of the title, if you translate one then both should be translated. Most likely its Flames and Lemons. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (EST) | It should be Flame and Lemon or Lemons, depending on the meaning of the title, if you translate one then both should be translated. Most likely its Flames and Lemons. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:''Flame and Citron'' is [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0920458/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt#akas an official title of USA release] so according to IMFDB rules the title of the page here must be the same. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:10, 19 January 2014 (EST) | |||
Haven't seen the film, is the title related to names or surnames, I cheked the link it seems its the same in russian as well. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:These are nicknames of two main characters: "Flame" is a readhead while "Citron" isn't from lemon but rather because the character was working in Citroën motor car company. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 23:53, 19 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== Luger == | |||
It seems to me that Luger has a longer barrel than the standard P08, especially on the screenshot where the character with Luger is shot by German soldiers. Maybe this is a Marine Luger with 15-cm barrel? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 00:05, 20 January 2014 (EST)I have the same feeling as you, Greg and I wanted to fix it, but the Naval Luger has a superstructure on barrel which is missing here. I do not know what it is for the type, but is longer, it is true.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 02:21, 20 January 2014 (EST) Aha! This is the artillery that with a superstructure on barrel! I understand and repaired and completed. Thanks Greg!--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 02:50, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
[[Image:Flame&citron-03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:Flame&citron-23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:Luger_P08_Marine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Marine Luger P08 with 150 mm barrel - 9x19 mm]] | |||
== Bergmann pistol? == | |||
[[Image:Flame&citron-08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
Here we see two pistols. One of them is definitly Mauser C96 but the other one (at the right) seems to be a Danish licensed-manufactured version of [[Bergmann-Bayard]], known as M1910/21. [http://9mmlargo.com/1910/index.htm Here] are several good images of Danish service Bergmann. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:24, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== A grenade? == | |||
A large hand grenade is seen in the trunk: | |||
[[Image:Flame&citron-24.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It's seen between Suomi and Sten.]] | |||
It differs from Mills bomb and it doesn't match any of Danish Army grenades of WW2 era. Maybe it's a makeshift bomb. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:01, 20 January 2014 (EST) Yes, that right, I also do not know what is.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 10:50, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:Fairly sure it is a German WW1 M1917 Eierhandgranate (Egg Hand Grenade). I don't know what fuse it has though (they were unfused and shipped to the front with a transit plug in place where they were then fitted with one of several different types of fuse they could accept), but [http://www.target-arms.co.uk/images/target_arms_WW1%20Bulgarian%20Egg%20Grenade.JPG here] is a pic of a very similar one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:56, 20 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== Leopard II tank on DVD cover? == | |||
Why is there a Leopard II on the DVD cover? Was it also used in the movie as a stand in for WW2 era tanks? - hchris | |||
:It could just be bad cover art. It has the modern German cross on it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:53, 22 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== MP 3008 == | |||
Also among the weapons there MP 3008, a German copy of [[Sten]]. Pay attention to the vertical magazine receiver. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 11:53, 22 February 2016 (EST) | |||
[[File:Flame&citron-24.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
[[File:Flame&citron-08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | |||
:Not so sure about that, to me the trigger group looks more like a sten, and you can see that there is a join between the receiver and magazine well. Bear in mind, most variants of sten can have the magazine well rotated downwards into this position as a dust cover to block off both the magazine well and ejection port. My guess is that this is sten mark 2 with a strut stock.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:26, 22 February 2016 (EST) | |||
:: I concur. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 19:43, 22 February 2016 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 00:43, 23 February 2016
The first image of the ZB26 appears to be a Bren gun. --Funkychinaman (talk) 04:32, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx! And submachine gun?--Pandolfini (talk) 05:15, 19 January 2014 (EST)
Revolver
Can it be a Danish M1880 (or M1880/85) revolver? Greg-Z (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2014 (EST) Thx, Greg!--Pandolfini (talk) 06:24, 19 January 2014 (EST)
SMG
Maybe a Suomi? --Funkychinaman (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2014 (EST)
- I guess it's an M/41, a Danish copy of Suomi manufactured by Madsen and Hovea weapon factories. Sorry, I couldn't find any image of this weapon but it's general outlook is similar to Swedish Husqvarna M1944, only with Suomi-style drum magazine. Greg-Z (talk) 05:34, 19 January 2014 (EST)
During the firefight he used in the same submachine gun both types of magazines! It is there to see how changing one after another! http://media.theiapolis.com/d3/hJ4/iLO/wZK/image45.jpg --Pandolfini (talk) 16:03, 20 January 2014 (EST)
- I don't think it is a Danish M/41, as those are pretty distinctive with the more pistol gripped stock and front sight wings. Also, on the original Suomis the rear sight was an adjustable tangent one, whereas this appears to have the simpler rear flip sight of the Husqvarna. On the topic of this, where does the name "Husqvarna M1944" come from? I thought it was called the Husqvarna K-pist m/37 for the original in 9mm Browning Long, and Husqvarna K-pist m/37-39 for the 9x19mm version. Is this supposed to be a later version, because to me it just looks like an m/37-39. As for the mags, I'm not sure about the m/37 but the m/37-39 was used with both quad stack 50 round box mags and 70 round drums. --commando552 (talk) 18:33, 20 January 2014 (EST)
- Danish is "Husqvarna/Suomi M/1944" - http://www.thm-online.dk/genstande/54-b5487/ --Pandolfini (talk) 03:45, 21 January 2014 (EST)
- To me that seems possibly wrong, as Husqvarna is Swedish and Suomi is Finish, so I don't get how something labelled as Husqvarna/Suomi can be Danish. As far as I know the Danish Suomis were made by Madsen, were called the M/41 and had a different more distinct design than this one. --commando552 (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2014 (EST) Sorry, this is a misunderstanding, not a Danish product, but a Danish Manufacturer Part Number for a Swedish/Finish submachine gun.--Pandolfini (talk) 15:44, 21 January 2014 (EST)
- Danish is "Husqvarna/Suomi M/1944" - http://www.thm-online.dk/genstande/54-b5487/ --Pandolfini (talk) 03:45, 21 January 2014 (EST)
Title
It should be Flame and Lemon or Lemons, depending on the meaning of the title, if you translate one then both should be translated. Most likely its Flames and Lemons. --Iceman (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (EST)
- Flame and Citron is an official title of USA release so according to IMFDB rules the title of the page here must be the same. Greg-Z (talk) 14:10, 19 January 2014 (EST)
Haven't seen the film, is the title related to names or surnames, I cheked the link it seems its the same in russian as well. --Iceman (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2014 (EST)
- These are nicknames of two main characters: "Flame" is a readhead while "Citron" isn't from lemon but rather because the character was working in Citroën motor car company. Greg-Z (talk) 23:53, 19 January 2014 (EST)
Luger
It seems to me that Luger has a longer barrel than the standard P08, especially on the screenshot where the character with Luger is shot by German soldiers. Maybe this is a Marine Luger with 15-cm barrel? Greg-Z (talk) 00:05, 20 January 2014 (EST)I have the same feeling as you, Greg and I wanted to fix it, but the Naval Luger has a superstructure on barrel which is missing here. I do not know what it is for the type, but is longer, it is true.--Pandolfini (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2014 (EST) Aha! This is the artillery that with a superstructure on barrel! I understand and repaired and completed. Thanks Greg!--Pandolfini (talk) 02:50, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Bergmann pistol?
Here we see two pistols. One of them is definitly Mauser C96 but the other one (at the right) seems to be a Danish licensed-manufactured version of Bergmann-Bayard, known as M1910/21. Here are several good images of Danish service Bergmann. Greg-Z (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2014 (EST)
A grenade?
A large hand grenade is seen in the trunk:
It differs from Mills bomb and it doesn't match any of Danish Army grenades of WW2 era. Maybe it's a makeshift bomb. Greg-Z (talk) 09:01, 20 January 2014 (EST) Yes, that right, I also do not know what is.--Pandolfini (talk) 10:50, 20 January 2014 (EST)
- Fairly sure it is a German WW1 M1917 Eierhandgranate (Egg Hand Grenade). I don't know what fuse it has though (they were unfused and shipped to the front with a transit plug in place where they were then fitted with one of several different types of fuse they could accept), but here is a pic of a very similar one. --commando552 (talk) 11:56, 20 January 2014 (EST)
Leopard II tank on DVD cover?
Why is there a Leopard II on the DVD cover? Was it also used in the movie as a stand in for WW2 era tanks? - hchris
- It could just be bad cover art. It has the modern German cross on it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:53, 22 January 2014 (EST)
MP 3008
Also among the weapons there MP 3008, a German copy of Sten. Pay attention to the vertical magazine receiver. --Slon95 (talk) 11:53, 22 February 2016 (EST)
- Not so sure about that, to me the trigger group looks more like a sten, and you can see that there is a join between the receiver and magazine well. Bear in mind, most variants of sten can have the magazine well rotated downwards into this position as a dust cover to block off both the magazine well and ejection port. My guess is that this is sten mark 2 with a strut stock.--commando552 (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2016 (EST)
- I concur. StanTheMan (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2016 (EST)