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=Additional Variants= | |||
[[ | ==Side by Side== | ||
[[File:Large2-uplander.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stoeger Uplander - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:StoegerCoachGunWestern.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stoeger imported Coach Western side by side shotgun with exposed hammers - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[ | [[File:Beretta 470 Silver Hawk.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Beretta 470 Silver Hawk - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Sawed-off Stevens 1960s SBS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stevens 1960s SBS with the barrels sawed-off - 12 Gauge (Photoshopped). Made from one of MPM's pictures.]] | ||
[[File:Sawed-off Stevens SBS 1960s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sawed-off Stevens 1960s SBS with very short barrels - 12 gauge (Photoshopped). Made from one of MPM's pictures.]] | |||
[[ | [[File:90b03e.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TOZ-63 - 16 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Stoeger Double Defense.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Stoeger Double Defense - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[File:90b03e.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TOZ-63 - 16 | [[File:Coashgun.jpg|thumb|500px|none|"Baikal" Coach Gun - 12 gauge. This is a modern replica of a double-barrel shotgun with exposed hammers from circa 1880 (allegedly of Russian origin), from The Specialists LTD. Why it was called Baikal is unclear, since this brand simply did not exist then.]] | ||
[[File:TOZ Model B.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian TOZ-B double barreled side by side shotgun - 16 Gauge]] | |||
[[ | [[File:TOZ-BM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TOZ-BM, an improved version of TOZ-B - 16 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Winchester-Model-21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 21 - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[Image: | [[File:Remington Model 1900.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Model 1900 - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:H&H Royal Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Holland & Holland 'Royal' Double Barrel Shotgun - various calibres]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Brichet Nantes SBS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Brichet Nantes SXS side by side shotgun - 16 gauge]] | ||
[[ | [[File:Victor Sarasqueta 20-Gauge Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Victor Sarasqueta shotgun - 20 gauge]] | ||
[[File:L.C. Smith 12-Gauge Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|L.C. Smith shotgun - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:RemingtonSxS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Remington Exposed Hammer SxS - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[Image:Stevens_Series_H.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stevens 311 Series H - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:WR12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Engraved Westley Richards - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Lincolnjeffries.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lincoln Jeffries SxS double-barreled shotgun - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:polish pioneer sbs.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Polish-made Pioneer Arms shotgun -12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Columbine-Savage_Sawed_Off.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The actual Savage 311-D used by Dylan Klebold in the Columbine shooting]] | |||
[[File:Converted pinfire shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mid to late 19th century pinfire underlever double barreled shotgun converted to 12 gauge centerfire]] | |||
[[File:Gaucha-Iga 12 Gauge.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Gaucha-Iga - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Screen Used Variants=== | |||
[[File:SBS-ShotgunTOP Scarface.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the top of the screen used Spanish Zabala Shotgun held and used by The Skull ([[Geno Silva]]) in ''[[Scarface (1983)|Scarface]]'' - 12 gauge. This shows the manufacturer's markings.]] | |||
[[File:FuryRoadSarasqueta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Screen-used Victor Sarasqueta sawed-off shotgun from ''[[Mad Max: Fury Road]]''. Image from MIL.SPEC.]] | |||
[[File:Cimarron 1878 TMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cimarron 1878 Coach Gun - 12 gauge, used in [[Magnificent Seven, The (2016)|''The Magnificent Seven'' (2016)]]. Image courtesy of '''Xtreme Props'''.]] | |||
[[File:4819 0.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Holland & Holland Royal - 12 gauge, used in [[Moonraker]]. Photo courtesy Vintage Doubles.]] | |||
===Airsoft Variants=== | |||
[[File:MadMaxShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Airsoft version of the ''[[The Road Warrior|Road Warrior]]'' shotgun made by Hudson Industry Co. of Tokyo, modeled after the original prop. There are two versions of this replica, one with a real wood stock and the other with a cheaper plastic stock.]] | |||
[[File:WA Shan DB shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|WA Shan airsoft double barreled shotgun - 6mm]] | |||
==Over and Under== | |||
[[File:Remington premier.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Premier 12 or 20 gauge, or a combination.]] | |||
[[File:HW OU shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hartmann & Weiss over and under shotgun - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:RS Olympia 72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Rottweil Skeet Olympia 72 - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Browning Citori 12 Gauge.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Citori - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Citori 725 Pro Sporting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Citori 725 Pro Sporting - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Citori 725 Pro Trap.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Citori 725 Pro Trap - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:hitphotogun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''Photoshoped'' Sawn-Off Weatherby Athena D'Italia III Over/Under Shotgun - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:Sawed-off Browning O-U.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Sawn-off Browning Over and Under shotgun - 12 gauge (Photoshoped).]] | |||
[[File:Century Arms Centurion.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Century Arms Centurion - 12 gauge]] | [[File:Century Arms Centurion.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Century Arms Centurion - 12 gauge]] | ||
[[File:Stoeger Double Defense OverUnder.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Stoeger Double Defense Over and Under - 12 gauge]] | |||
[[File:MP-234.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two types of MP-234 - 12 gauge.]] | |||
[[File:Beretta Perennia SV10 III.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Beretta Perennia SV10 III - 12 Gauge]] | |||
[[File:Stoeger Condor Outback.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Stoeger Condor Outback Shotgun - 12 Gauge]] | |||
[[File:Mossberg Silver Reserve.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg Silver Reserve - 12 Gauge]] | |||
[[File:Sarsilmaz Centurion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sarsilmaz Centurion O/U Shotgun - 12 gauge]] | |||
===Screen Used Variants=== | |||
[[File:IMG 1298.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Samuel L. Jackson's cut-down CZ Redhead O/U shotguns as used in ''[[The Spirit]]'' - 12 gauge. This image was provided specially to IMFDB by a source close to the movie's armorers.]] | |||
[[File:Eraser-Investarm-shotgun-1-HeritageAuction.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An Investarm 12-gauge over-under shotgun from ''[[Eraser]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used shotgun from the film; this photo comes from a [https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/movie-tv-memorabilia/arnold-schwarzenegger-john-the-eraser-kruger-shotgun-from-eraser/a/997049-2759.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115 2018 auction listing] by Heritage Auctions]] | |||
[[File:Eraser-Investarm-shotgun-2-HeritageAuction.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Opposite view of the screen-used Investarm O/U shotgun from ''[[Eraser]]''.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
Note: Most 8 gauge shotguns were NOT punt guns. 8 gauge punt guns were rare, and in generally had a MUCH LONGER chamber than the standard 8 gauge. I don't know why hunting regulations drew the line of 'too big' between 8 gauge and 10 gauge, but it is wrong to instantly call an 8 gauge a 'punt gun' | Note: Most 8 gauge shotguns were NOT punt guns. 8 gauge punt guns were rare, and in generally had a MUCH LONGER chamber than the standard 8 gauge. I don't know why hunting regulations drew the line of 'too big' between 8 gauge and 10 gauge, but it is wrong to instantly call an 8 gauge a 'punt gun' | ||
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How far down could you saw the barrels of a double barrel before it became unsafe? Alasdair. | How far down could you saw the barrels of a double barrel before it became unsafe? Alasdair. | ||
:They would never really become unsafe, just potentially less accurate with less muzzle velocity. They only way it would be "unsafe" is if you cut it down all the way to the chamber so that the shell was actually poking out the front and would be unsupported meaning it could break apart on firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:11, 26 July 2012 (CDT) | :They would never really become unsafe, just potentially less accurate with less muzzle velocity. They only way it would be "unsafe" is if you cut it down all the way to the chamber so that the shell was actually poking out the front and would be unsupported meaning it could break apart on firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:11, 26 July 2012 (CDT) | ||
::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4 This video] shows how short you can go. The first 30 seconds are so are a reference to the shotgun in ''[[Killing_Them_Softly#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_.28Sawed_Off.29|Killing Them Softly]]''. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 01:09, 13 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Formatting == | == Formatting == | ||
I am putting this page into proper formatting starting at the top. If anyone wants to help they can start at the bottom of the page or help by finding years of the films. This page is huge and it is a mess.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 21:10, 2 December 2012 (EST) | I am putting this page into proper formatting starting at the top. If anyone wants to help they can start at the bottom of the page or help by finding years of the films. This page is huge and it is a mess.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 21:10, 2 December 2012 (EST) | ||
In the end, is it worth it to rename this page simply to "double barreled shotgun", and the existing page, respectively, to "double barreled shotgun (category)"? Many of the double barreled shotguns in the films are for sure actually chambered in 16 gauge (not to mention other calibers). --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 18:02, 11 November 2019 (EST) | |||
== Military Use == | |||
Has a Double-Barreled Shotguns had any usefulness in the military? Pump-Action Shotguns have had a lot of use, Double-Barreled Shotguns been used in any noteworthy amount? Thanks in advance. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 12:10, 1 February 2016 (EST) | |||
:As I can see on this help pages, it's had newer uses at the British, French, German, Russian and American armies. But, this weapon may be used (or used) in varios another armies (near 180 countries posses own armed forces). So, I can't answer. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 12:20, 1 February 2016 (EST) | |||
*[[List of firearms used by British Armed Forces]] | |||
*[[List of weapons used by French Armed Forces]] | |||
*[[List of firearms used by German Armed Forces]] | |||
*[[List of firearms used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ]] | |||
*[[List of weapons used by U.S. Armed Forces]] | |||
::As far as I know, the only double barreled shotguns that were issued as service weapons are survival weapons for aircrews, but combination rifles/shotguns are more common in this role. Double barreled shotguns were (and are now) often used by various guerilla/partisan/resistance units. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:47, 1 February 2016 (EST) | |||
:::In the muzzle loading and early cartridge era they were used a fair amount, particularly by cavalry, militias and police. However alternatives like lever, bolt and pump action have been around for a while now so they have been pretty much redundant for military use for quite a while now. Germany issued a few different drillings and shotguns in the two world wars, but they were not for combat, instead being hunting or survival weapons. They did however see combat on occasion. I believe that they were also used by some British forces in jungle warfare in WWII on occasion, and personnel firearms were carried by British officers on the more eccentric end of the spectrum. They have been used by police and para-miltary forces in slightly more recent times, but no proper military would use them as a combat weapon as there are better options available. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:49, 2 February 2016 (EST) | |||
== Combination shotgun category? == | |||
Is it time to create the appropriate category for this? Not all combo-guns used in movies, are the [[M30 Luftwaffe Drilling]]. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 17:07, 4 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
:I support this idea. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 18:43, 4 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
::No, it's not. Please see my remarks on the Combination gun talk page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:27, 4 October 2018 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:52, 11 November 2023
Additional Variants
Side by Side
Screen Used Variants
Airsoft Variants
Over and Under
Screen Used Variants
Discussion
Note: Most 8 gauge shotguns were NOT punt guns. 8 gauge punt guns were rare, and in generally had a MUCH LONGER chamber than the standard 8 gauge. I don't know why hunting regulations drew the line of 'too big' between 8 gauge and 10 gauge, but it is wrong to instantly call an 8 gauge a 'punt gun'
Unless someone objects in the near future, I will be editing out 'punt gun'
Firing Sawn-off Double Barreled Shotguns One Handed
Is it possible in real life to fire a sawn-off double barreled shotgun one handed effectively and with out hurting ones-self? - Mr. Wolf
- A 12 or 20 gauge is relatively controllable with one hand with only a little stout recoil, but if you went up to 10 or 8 gauge, it's more likely you're going to hurt your wrist or bruise your finger in the trigger guard from the recoil. - Gunmaster45
- Assuming the lever that opens the breach doesn't drive into the web of your hand. Worst case scenario: severed thumb.
- Ouch! Good thing 10 and 8 gauges are pretty rare now a days, well I should of mentioned 12 gauge do to it being the most common. Wow, I did not expect a sawn-off 12 gauge shotgun to be that easy to shoot one handed. So is shooting a sawn-off 12 GA shotgun with one hand similar to firing .44 Magnum revolver or of the like with one hand? - Mr. Wolf
- It's at most just a little more stout than a .44 Magnum. - Gunmaster45
- Ouch! Good thing 10 and 8 gauges are pretty rare now a days, well I should of mentioned 12 gauge do to it being the most common. Wow, I did not expect a sawn-off 12 gauge shotgun to be that easy to shoot one handed. So is shooting a sawn-off 12 GA shotgun with one hand similar to firing .44 Magnum revolver or of the like with one hand? - Mr. Wolf
- Assuming the lever that opens the breach doesn't drive into the web of your hand. Worst case scenario: severed thumb.
Are you sure? If experience with Snub-nosed revolvers teaches anything it's that shortening the barrel increases felt recoil. Given the recoil of a normal 12 gauge shotgun, I'd imagine a Sawn-off weapon would be a nightmare. -Anonymous
- The recoil from a shoulder-fire 12 gauge isnt too bad but it all varies based on the amount of recoil your used to, if your a first time shooter (or a woman, just saying) i wouldn't advise you do it, but if you have experience with marginal recoil(Revolvers, like .357s and .38s)i think youll be fine..... "CZAR"
- lol, I recently shot a Ruger Super Redhawk .44 Mag revolver one handed, it was easy. X) - Mr. Wolf
- The recoil from a shoulder-fire 12 gauge isnt too bad but it all varies based on the amount of recoil your used to, if your a first time shooter (or a woman, just saying) i wouldn't advise you do it, but if you have experience with marginal recoil(Revolvers, like .357s and .38s)i think youll be fine..... "CZAR"
Over Under Shotgun in Call of Duty: World at War
I don't ever remember an over-under shotgun being in this game. A side-by-side, yes, but no O/U. Someone may have gotten confused with Black Ops. Does anybody ever see an O/U shotgun in this game?
I'm calling confusion as well. No over-under shotty in World At War --HashiriyaR32 15:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Firing both barrels of a Double Barreled Shotgun
Would firing both barrels at the same time really destroy a double barreled shotgun like some people said on this site? I would very much appreciate an answer from someone who actually knows what their talking about and not just someone assuming, thank you. - Mr. Wolf
I've fired both barrels at one on numerous occasions whilst clay pigeon shooting and from berettas to webleys it has never once damaged anything but my aim --Captain Snikt 08:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Depends on the qualitity of said shotgun and maybe the age. And the ammunition used is, of course, of importance, too.
I think that there are some shotguns out there were doubling is not a wise option - but so long I haven't encountered any.
(Maybe because I rarely handle american made shotguns ;) ) - tiredWeasel
- So would firing two shots of 2-3/4 shells with 00 Buck-shot at the same time do much to a good SBS or O/U? It probably would hurt, lol, except to someone who shoots shotguns a lot. Someone keeps posting on the Half-Life 1 & 2 pages (in the SPAS-12 section) [[1]] [[2]] that, and I quote "it has the unrealistic ability to fire two shells at once (alternative fire) which would destroy any double barreled shotgun if attempted from the shock of doing so and would render the weapon useless". I guess it's a rumor like the one about firing sawn-off shotguns and magnum handguns one-handed will break your wrist. :/ - Mr. Wolf
- Yeah, that's bullshit. What's going to be destroyed? The barrels? Each barrel takes the shock of firing one round, so that guy is basically claiming it's also impossible to fire one barrel of a shotgun. The stock? What, does he have a special shotgun with a stock made of expanded polystyrene? Vangelis 18:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
- He said the Shock. :/ - Mr. Wolf
- The shock that destroys the stock. Unless you drink the brew that is true, I suppose. Evil Tim 03:08, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
- No no no, that original guy didn't say anything about the stock, read the quote in my larger post above carefully. - Mr. Wolf 03:58, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
- What the guy was saying was that the shock would destroy the gun. I was questioning what part of the gun it was supposed to be able to destroy. Evil Tim 04:06, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
- No no no, that original guy didn't say anything about the stock, read the quote in my larger post above carefully. - Mr. Wolf 03:58, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
- The shock that destroys the stock. Unless you drink the brew that is true, I suppose. Evil Tim 03:08, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
- He said the Shock. :/ - Mr. Wolf
- Yeah, that's bullshit. What's going to be destroyed? The barrels? Each barrel takes the shock of firing one round, so that guy is basically claiming it's also impossible to fire one barrel of a shotgun. The stock? What, does he have a special shotgun with a stock made of expanded polystyrene? Vangelis 18:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
There are more parts then barrel and stock ^^ For example if parts of the locking mechanism are not tightly fitted and the shotgun is of (very) poor quality and well used there might be a small possibility that you destroy the locking mechanism when doubling the gun. I'm not talking about "blowing up". It IS possible - but very, veeeeery unlikely. Very unlikely. - tiredWeasel
- Yeah, I know that, it was just for purposes of making a point. You can build any gun badly; you'll find plenty of images lurking around of handguns that have gone kaboom for various reasons, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to shoot a handgun. Yeah, in a badly made gun you might damage the locking mechanism or the pivot, but that's hardly the same as saying it's impossible to shoot both barrels of any double-barrel without physically destroying it. Vangelis 05:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks guys. :) - Mr. Wolf
Just to add, I've fired both barrels on one of my shotguns on multiple occasions, and no harm was done. Having said that I have also seen a shotgun break firing both barrels. The gun appeared fine immediately afterwards, but when he broke the action the barrels fell off. Turned out that the metal part at the back of the handguard that limits the pivot of the barrels (don't know the proper name) had sheared off from the recoil. This was a relatively old, loose and cheap shotgun though. On a well made and maintained shotgun, I don't think its a problem. --commando552 09:52, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
- Interesting. - Mr. Wolf 18:25, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
How far down can the barrels go?
How far down could you saw the barrels of a double barrel before it became unsafe? Alasdair.
- They would never really become unsafe, just potentially less accurate with less muzzle velocity. They only way it would be "unsafe" is if you cut it down all the way to the chamber so that the shell was actually poking out the front and would be unsupported meaning it could break apart on firing. --commando552 16:11, 26 July 2012 (CDT)
- This video shows how short you can go. The first 30 seconds are so are a reference to the shotgun in Killing Them Softly. -SeptemberJack (talk) 01:09, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
Formatting
I am putting this page into proper formatting starting at the top. If anyone wants to help they can start at the bottom of the page or help by finding years of the films. This page is huge and it is a mess.Rockwolf66 (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2012 (EST)
In the end, is it worth it to rename this page simply to "double barreled shotgun", and the existing page, respectively, to "double barreled shotgun (category)"? Many of the double barreled shotguns in the films are for sure actually chambered in 16 gauge (not to mention other calibers). --Slon95 (talk) 18:02, 11 November 2019 (EST)
Military Use
Has a Double-Barreled Shotguns had any usefulness in the military? Pump-Action Shotguns have had a lot of use, Double-Barreled Shotguns been used in any noteworthy amount? Thanks in advance. --Slon95 (talk) 12:10, 1 February 2016 (EST)
- As I can see on this help pages, it's had newer uses at the British, French, German, Russian and American armies. But, this weapon may be used (or used) in varios another armies (near 180 countries posses own armed forces). So, I can't answer. Pyramid Silent (talk) 12:20, 1 February 2016 (EST)
- List of firearms used by British Armed Forces
- List of weapons used by French Armed Forces
- List of firearms used by German Armed Forces
- List of firearms used by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
- List of weapons used by U.S. Armed Forces
- As far as I know, the only double barreled shotguns that were issued as service weapons are survival weapons for aircrews, but combination rifles/shotguns are more common in this role. Double barreled shotguns were (and are now) often used by various guerilla/partisan/resistance units. Greg-Z (talk) 12:47, 1 February 2016 (EST)
- In the muzzle loading and early cartridge era they were used a fair amount, particularly by cavalry, militias and police. However alternatives like lever, bolt and pump action have been around for a while now so they have been pretty much redundant for military use for quite a while now. Germany issued a few different drillings and shotguns in the two world wars, but they were not for combat, instead being hunting or survival weapons. They did however see combat on occasion. I believe that they were also used by some British forces in jungle warfare in WWII on occasion, and personnel firearms were carried by British officers on the more eccentric end of the spectrum. They have been used by police and para-miltary forces in slightly more recent times, but no proper military would use them as a combat weapon as there are better options available. --commando552 (talk) 12:49, 2 February 2016 (EST)
- As far as I know, the only double barreled shotguns that were issued as service weapons are survival weapons for aircrews, but combination rifles/shotguns are more common in this role. Double barreled shotguns were (and are now) often used by various guerilla/partisan/resistance units. Greg-Z (talk) 12:47, 1 February 2016 (EST)
Combination shotgun category?
Is it time to create the appropriate category for this? Not all combo-guns used in movies, are the M30 Luftwaffe Drilling. --Slon95 (talk) 17:07, 4 October 2018 (EDT)
- I support this idea. --Wuzh (talk) 18:43, 4 October 2018 (EDT)
- No, it's not. Please see my remarks on the Combination gun talk page. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:27, 4 October 2018 (EDT)