Talk:The Blacklist - Season 1: Difference between revisions
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Talk:The Blacklist - Season 1: Difference between revisions
:I really can't make it out well enough to tell what it is, but a BXP is pretty unlikely for a production not filmed in South Africa. Whilst looking to try and find another shot of it, I found that one of the Wild Bunch carries a Special Weapons MP-10 with an EOTech and suppressor (can best be seen when you see them all in the back of the garbage truck and again when they are moving through the parking garage immediately after the title card), and another has a TDI Vector with an ACOG and suppressor (the last person who gets out of the truck although it is blurry, seen again in the background when Garrick is talking to Red as he starts treating Ressler's leg). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:53, 4 December 2013 (EST)
:I really can't make it out well enough to tell what it is, but a BXP is pretty unlikely for a production not filmed in South Africa. Whilst looking to try and find another shot of it, I found that one of the Wild Bunch carries a Special Weapons MP-10 with an EOTech and suppressor (can best be seen when you see them all in the back of the garbage truck and again when they are moving through the parking garage immediately after the title card), and another has a TDI Vector with an ACOG and suppressor (the last person who gets out of the truck although it is blurry, seen again in the background when Garrick is talking to Red as he starts treating Ressler's leg). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:53, 4 December 2013 (EST)
The one in the armory looks like a UMP, due to the open front, the other one to me looks like PP2000, don't throw rotten things at me. More likely its a MAC or MP9 or something along those lines, no way its a BXP --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:08, 4 December 2013 (EST)
The one in the armory looks like a UMP, due to the open front, the other one to me looks like PP2000, don't throw rotten things at me. More likely its a MAC or MP9 or something along those lines, no way its a BXP. The second unknown pistol looks like a rubber prop, the front seems bent, it could be they both are since they are not used, pointed at anyone close to camera etc. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:08, 4 December 2013 (EST)
:I would agree with the UMP one, it also has that similar ramped rear to the front sight. I did briefly wonder if it was an MP-10 with the flashlight hider machined off (have seen this mod and it makes it look a lot like a UMP), but a plain UMP is probably more likely. As for the PP-2000 I did briefly think this as well, particularly with how the supporting grip looks like it is holding a small vertical grip like on the PP-2000. However there are a couple of things that rule it out. Firstly, this is a pretty odd weapon choice as this has only appeared in one film, of Russian origin. To have one show up in a fleeting background role in something filmed in New York seems pretty unlikely. Secondly, if you look at the bottom of the magazine you can see that it has a sort of lip at the bottom, like a UMP mag. Lastly this has a too large an ejection port to be a PP-2000. For both the TMP/MP-9 and the MAC I would say that there is too much receiver behind the ejection port, and in the case of the TMP the ejection port is too large, and as for the MAC this gun is too rounded and doesn't have the slope at the rear of the lower receiver. I can't come up with a match though, am starting to wonder if it is a conventional layout submachine gun that the person is just grasping by the mag well of something like that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2013 (EST)
::I was sure that I saw a Vector too, but it looked too blurry that I thought it wasn't worth the time to get an image of it. Don't know if I can look through the episode again since I'll cap some images in the new episode. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 20:57, 4 December 2013 (EST)
:::I'll get a couple of image of them from Part 1 as I know where to look. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:20, 5 December 2013 (EST)
Could it be the Ekol UZI looking blank gun/gas pistol, it has appeared quite a lot in TV series and low budgets. I doubt its a real UZI ,for one there would be no reason to attach rails to it. I think the unknown mercenary rifle is either a SIG, or a FAL with an aftermarket stock, the old guy with the long hair also seemed to have the same AR type rifle as Ressler on the bridge, but with a different scope --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:47, 5 December 2013 (EST)
It really looks to me like a MAC or one of its cousins - there's a big, square part towards the back that looks like the ejection port. I've seen aftermarket kits that put a rail on top of a MAC and add a foregrip as well. [http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j331/Dolphinvet/M119mmLageright1.jpg This one is a M11 with custom after-market parts for example.] [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] ([[User talk:Atypicaloracle|talk]]) 20:08, 23 December 2014 (EST)
== Smith & Wesson 3914 ==
The S&W 3914 used in this series is an NYPD DAO Auth. gun, not a standard 3914. It has no manual safety/docker levers on either side of the frame and fires double action only. These are authorized and issued for off-duty use along with a few others. There's another shot in the episode that shows the left side of the frame with no manual safety/docker and the typical gold laser S&W logo etching. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] ([[User talk:Luckyluciano|talk]]) 23:24, 5 December 2013 (EST)
:If it is a DAO, would that not make it a 3954? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 03:53, 6 December 2013 (EST)
:No. While both the 3914 DAO and the 3954 are both DAO pistols, the 3914 DAO has a different action than that of the 3954. There is no precocking on the 3914 DAO and there is also second strike capability, unlike the 3954. The 3914 DAO double action is just like a standard 3914's double action, there's just no transition to SA with the 3914 DAO. What gives the gun in the show away as a 3914 is that it doesn't have the extended frame toward the rear. If you google an image of a 3954 and a 3914, you'll see that the rear of the frame and slide on a 3954 extends back quite a bit more than a standard 3914SA/DA or 3914DAO. The standard DA/SA 3914 and the 3914 DAO frames are identical and look just like the gun in the show. Lastly, the giveaway that it's an NYPD Auth 3914DAO is as mentioned above, the lack of safety/decocker on the left side of the frame as well and the gold laser etching. I'll try to upload the screenshot of the other side. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] ([[User talk:Luckyluciano|talk]]) 19:36, 6 December 2013 (EST)
== Unknown Assault Rifle ==
Based upon the stock and the forend, that looks like a SIG 55~variant. I would assume 556 based on the magazine.--[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] ([[User talk:Rebusdi|talk]]) 21:52, 15 December 2013 (EST)
:My gut feeling is that it is one of this SG 550/P556 hybrids:[[File:SIG 552 2tone.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SIG P556 SWAT with SG 550 series lower receiver and 30-round SG 550 magazine - 5.56x45mm]] To me it looks like it has the sloped front sight and that silver loop at the top of the stock hinge pin that is seen on this gun. Also, these weapons are owned by "The Specialists Ltd." prop house, and judging by some of the other less than typical guns that have appeared (like the Specialist Weapons MP-10, CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom, Solothurn ITM AT84S and the S&W 3914DOA for example) along with the fact that this show is short in NY where they are based, I would guess they provide the weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:02, 16 December 2013 (EST)
==Unknown==
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==Added Smith & Wesson M&P==
Aram's sidearm in both episodes of "Anslo Garrick (No. 16)" was incorrectly identified as a SIG P229; it is in fact, a S&W M&P. Trust me, I own two. Plus, in the screen caps, you can see the slide lock on the right side, and SIGs, frankly, are not southpaw-friendly. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] ([[User talk:Euromutt|talk]]) 06:08, 19 January 2015 (EST)
A quick guess as to the unknown submachine gun; how about the Armscor BXP? PeeWee055 (talk) 06:24, 4 December 2013 (EST)
I really can't make it out well enough to tell what it is, but a BXP is pretty unlikely for a production not filmed in South Africa. Whilst looking to try and find another shot of it, I found that one of the Wild Bunch carries a Special Weapons MP-10 with an EOTech and suppressor (can best be seen when you see them all in the back of the garbage truck and again when they are moving through the parking garage immediately after the title card), and another has a TDI Vector with an ACOG and suppressor (the last person who gets out of the truck although it is blurry, seen again in the background when Garrick is talking to Red as he starts treating Ressler's leg). --commando552 (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2013 (EST)
The one in the armory looks like a UMP, due to the open front, the other one to me looks like PP2000, don't throw rotten things at me. More likely its a MAC or MP9 or something along those lines, no way its a BXP. The second unknown pistol looks like a rubber prop, the front seems bent, it could be they both are since they are not used, pointed at anyone close to camera etc. --Iceman (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2013 (EST)
I would agree with the UMP one, it also has that similar ramped rear to the front sight. I did briefly wonder if it was an MP-10 with the flashlight hider machined off (have seen this mod and it makes it look a lot like a UMP), but a plain UMP is probably more likely. As for the PP-2000 I did briefly think this as well, particularly with how the supporting grip looks like it is holding a small vertical grip like on the PP-2000. However there are a couple of things that rule it out. Firstly, this is a pretty odd weapon choice as this has only appeared in one film, of Russian origin. To have one show up in a fleeting background role in something filmed in New York seems pretty unlikely. Secondly, if you look at the bottom of the magazine you can see that it has a sort of lip at the bottom, like a UMP mag. Lastly this has a too large an ejection port to be a PP-2000. For both the TMP/MP-9 and the MAC I would say that there is too much receiver behind the ejection port, and in the case of the TMP the ejection port is too large, and as for the MAC this gun is too rounded and doesn't have the slope at the rear of the lower receiver. I can't come up with a match though, am starting to wonder if it is a conventional layout submachine gun that the person is just grasping by the mag well of something like that. --commando552 (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2013 (EST)
I was sure that I saw a Vector too, but it looked too blurry that I thought it wasn't worth the time to get an image of it. Don't know if I can look through the episode again since I'll cap some images in the new episode. Ominae (talk) 20:57, 4 December 2013 (EST)
I'll get a couple of image of them from Part 1 as I know where to look. --commando552 (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2013 (EST)
Could it be the Ekol UZI looking blank gun/gas pistol, it has appeared quite a lot in TV series and low budgets. I doubt its a real UZI ,for one there would be no reason to attach rails to it. I think the unknown mercenary rifle is either a SIG, or a FAL with an aftermarket stock, the old guy with the long hair also seemed to have the same AR type rifle as Ressler on the bridge, but with a different scope --Iceman (talk) 06:47, 5 December 2013 (EST)
It really looks to me like a MAC or one of its cousins - there's a big, square part towards the back that looks like the ejection port. I've seen aftermarket kits that put a rail on top of a MAC and add a foregrip as well. This one is a M11 with custom after-market parts for example.Atypicaloracle (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2014 (EST)
Smith & Wesson 3914
The S&W 3914 used in this series is an NYPD DAO Auth. gun, not a standard 3914. It has no manual safety/docker levers on either side of the frame and fires double action only. These are authorized and issued for off-duty use along with a few others. There's another shot in the episode that shows the left side of the frame with no manual safety/docker and the typical gold laser S&W logo etching. --Luckyluciano (talk) 23:24, 5 December 2013 (EST)
If it is a DAO, would that not make it a 3954? --commando552 (talk) 03:53, 6 December 2013 (EST)
No. While both the 3914 DAO and the 3954 are both DAO pistols, the 3914 DAO has a different action than that of the 3954. There is no precocking on the 3914 DAO and there is also second strike capability, unlike the 3954. The 3914 DAO double action is just like a standard 3914's double action, there's just no transition to SA with the 3914 DAO. What gives the gun in the show away as a 3914 is that it doesn't have the extended frame toward the rear. If you google an image of a 3954 and a 3914, you'll see that the rear of the frame and slide on a 3954 extends back quite a bit more than a standard 3914SA/DA or 3914DAO. The standard DA/SA 3914 and the 3914 DAO frames are identical and look just like the gun in the show. Lastly, the giveaway that it's an NYPD Auth 3914DAO is as mentioned above, the lack of safety/decocker on the left side of the frame as well and the gold laser etching. I'll try to upload the screenshot of the other side. --Luckyluciano (talk) 19:36, 6 December 2013 (EST)
Unknown Assault Rifle
Based upon the stock and the forend, that looks like a SIG 55~variant. I would assume 556 based on the magazine.--Rebusdi (talk) 21:52, 15 December 2013 (EST)
My gut feeling is that it is one of this SG 550/P556 hybrids:Error creating thumbnail: File missingSIG P556 SWAT with SG 550 series lower receiver and 30-round SG 550 magazine - 5.56x45mm To me it looks like it has the sloped front sight and that silver loop at the top of the stock hinge pin that is seen on this gun. Also, these weapons are owned by "The Specialists Ltd." prop house, and judging by some of the other less than typical guns that have appeared (like the Specialist Weapons MP-10, CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom, Solothurn ITM AT84S and the S&W 3914DOA for example) along with the fact that this show is short in NY where they are based, I would guess they provide the weapons. --commando552 (talk) 09:02, 16 December 2013 (EST)
Aram's sidearm in both episodes of "Anslo Garrick (No. 16)" was incorrectly identified as a SIG P229; it is in fact, a S&W M&P. Trust me, I own two. Plus, in the screen caps, you can see the slide lock on the right side, and SIGs, frankly, are not southpaw-friendly. --Euromutt (talk) 06:08, 19 January 2015 (EST)
