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==Intratec TEC-38== | ==Intratec TEC-38== | ||
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The image of The Winter Soldier's right thigh shows that there are two guns there. The first is the COP 357 (non-extended barrels) and the second appears to be an [[Intratec TEC-38]] similar to the one from [[A Low Down Dirty Shame]]. Zoomed out, it looks like the COP 357 has an extended barrel that is strapped down, but when you zoom in it becomes a little clearer that there is a second gun on the holster. This is my first potential addition to the IMFDB, so I'd like to get a little peer verification before I go and slap on an update. | The image of The Winter Soldier's right thigh shows that there are two guns there. The first is the COP 357 (non-extended barrels) and the second appears to be an [[Intratec TEC-38]] similar to the one from [[A Low Down Dirty Shame]]. Zoomed out, it looks like the COP 357 has an extended barrel that is strapped down, but when you zoom in it becomes a little clearer that there is a second gun on the holster. This is my first potential addition to the IMFDB, so I'd like to get a little peer verification before I go and slap on an update. | ||
--[[User:Extimorous|Extimorous]] ([[User talk:Extimorous|talk]]) 19:09, 19 November 2013 (EST) | --[[User:Extimorous|Extimorous]] ([[User talk:Extimorous|talk]]) 19:09, 19 November 2013 (EST) | ||
: You're right. There are two guns. I'll make the edit, thanks for pointing it out.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:20, 3 February 2014 (EST) | |||
== Set pictures == | == Set pictures == | ||
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:The SIG looks like a resign prop at least in the first shot. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 18:12, 24 October 2013 (EDT) | :The SIG looks like a resign prop at least in the first shot. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 18:12, 24 October 2013 (EDT) | ||
== Handheld Minigun == | |||
Probably a modern gun, but it looks like it has the old GE-style barrel clamps vice the newer combination clamps/flash hider. Though it's hard to tell due to the lack of quality. | |||
[[File:Wintersol_minigun.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
:It isn't really either, it is a customised short barrelled Minigun, very much like the one used in [[Soldier]]. Echo1 makes an [http://www.eastcoastairsoft.com/echo1-minigun-package-p-443.html Airsoft replica] in this configuration, but don't know if it ever actually existed as a production model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 3 February 2014 (EST) | |||
::Agreed, the higher res image makes it clear. It looks a lot like the Soldier gun. It may even be the same one. To my understanding short barreled Miniguns only exist in Hollywood (and Airsoft). All military variants have full length 22-inch barrels. Given that they are always emplaced and require an external power supply, there aren't really any benefits to having shorter barrels in a real world application. --[[User:Gau17|Gau17]] ([[Usertalk:Gau17|talk]]) 14:24, 4 April 2014 (EST) | |||
== Just Saw the Movie == | |||
I'm pretty sure that the Winter Soldier's P220-series pistol was a P220 Sport. Possibly the P226 Sport, but the barrel looked a bit too large for that. Anyone care to verify? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 4 April 2014 2:15 MST | |||
:A lot of the guns were too in motion to get a good look at in the movie, but I agree that it was a P220. There was a nice M1911 in a box near the very end, and the very first merc on the boat at the beginning looked like he had a G36 with an optics carry handle (as opposed to the C handle). Oh, and one of the mannequins of the Howling Commandos had an M3 Grease Gun. EDIT: I just realized that even though that high caliber rifle that fires soviet-made slugs which lack rifling wasn't ever seen in the movie, the Winter Soldier is seen holding it on the cover! I can't ID it though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:11, 5 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
::I believe the manequins all had guns, so you had an M3A1 for Morita's, a Sten Mk II for Falsworth's, am M1 Garand for Bucky's, a Winchester 1897 Trench gun for Dugan's, and a Browning M1919A4 for Jones's. If Dernier's mannequin had a gun it is obscured, but assuming they are going by the first film it would just be a Sten Mk II anyway. I seem to remember some promotional images of the Winter Soldier with that sniper rifle aswell, and it is a Barrett M107 I believe. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:51, 5 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
Anyone think that the customized P226 SCT looks like the one from Season 4 of [[Chuck - Season 4|Chuck]]? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 5 April 21:00 MST | |||
: It's already an entry on the page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 23:31, 5 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:Chuck 284.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In "Chuck Versus the Cat Squad" (S4E15), Carina (Mini Anden) is threatened with the custom SIG.]] | |||
I think I saw a KRISS Vector when the SHIELD/STRIKE team checks out the bunker after the missile strike. Anyone else see it?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 18:04, 8 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Winter Soldier's M4A1 == | |||
Anyone else notice the Winter Soldier's M4A1 has no fencing around the mag release button? | |||
[[Image:CAWS_512.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Winter Soldier ([[Sebastian Stan]]) opens fire with the M4A1.]] | |||
[[Image:CA2_302.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Winter Soldier with the M4A1 fitted with an [[M203A1]] type Grenade Launcher.]] | |||
Could it be an M4 upper on an SP1 lower?-Gunner5 | |||
It looks that way. Also, that appears to be the same prop (I can't recall if it's supposed to be the same rifle in-universe); the only differences are the attachments, M203/Foregrip and two different EOTechs, otherwise they're completely identical. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:07, 19 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Skorpion vs Aircraft Canopy == | |||
It was sort of weird watching .32 ACP rounds punch through the canopy of a SHIELD jet without any trouble. I think maybe SHIELD needed to invest in some thicker plastic to protect their pilots. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] ([[User talk:Atypicaloracle|talk]]) 20:37, 25 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
I think it is meant to be portrayed as firing stronger bullets or possibly armor piercing, hell they could even be experimental futuristic bullets that could cut through anything except Cap's shield.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 13:29, 26 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
Well, what's even stranger is that Fury's SUV has a windshield and car windows can survive multiple blasts from a bunch of M4A1 Carbines, which fire 5.56x45 mm AP rounds that are more powerful than .32 ACP rounds of a Skorpion. Fury's SUV is pretty much SHIELD technology. With that aside, I enjoyed the movie and liked that they added a political thriller vibe to it (with an exception to the annoying screaming and wailing sounds that play every time the Winter Soldier shows up), almost as if it was a political thriller drama itself. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 16:44, 4 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
To add to this, in a previous scene, Falcon was having trouble shooting at a SHIELD jet with his Steyrs, which are 9mm, but a couple shots from Winter Soldier's Skorpion, and it went right through? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:49, 9 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:Seeing as the way they identified him as The Winter Soldier in the first place was by his unique ammunition, I would just assume that all of his guns fire weird, magical, movie BS bullets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 02:59, 10 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Unknown M16-based rifle?== | |||
[[Image:CAWS-M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:CAWS-M16b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:CAWS-M16c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:CAWS-M16d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
I'm having trouble identifying this one due to all of the intense action and camera angles. Is this another M4A1 Carbine with the camera angles and quick swipes making it seem as if its thinner and smaller? Or some other weapon derived from the M16? Or neither? Anyway, thanks :D - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] ([[User talk:Kenny99|talk]]) 01:09, 10 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
I think it's another M4 without any rear sights, which is weird because a LOT of M4s in this movie is missing any type of rear sight. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:09, 10 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Additional== | |||
[[Image:CAWS_525.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Enemy operators disguised as SWAT and DC police are armed with M4A1's.]] | |||
[[Image:CAWS_118.jpg|thumb|none|601px|SHIELD strike members on a Hellicarrier with their M4A1s as they blown back by Captain America's attack.]] | |||
[[Image:CAWS_538.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A SHIELD strike member armed with an M4A1 is confronted by Captain Rogers.]] | |||
[[Image:CAWS_116.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A disoriented SHIELD agent with his M4A1 before being knocked out by Steve Rogers (who appears to be wearing his uniform from ''[[Captain America: The First Avenger]]'').]] | |||
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== Weapons in post credits sequence == | |||
I might be wrong as I haven't seen this since the cinema, but I think that in the scene with Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver (can't remember if this was the mid or post credit one) there were a couple of [[LAW 80]]s mounted on the wall. There might have been other weapons as well, but I noticed the LAW 80s as these are an odd launcher to see in a film, particularly an American one. I could be wrong though and they were something else, anybody have and shots of them? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:46, 13 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== 1911 ID == | |||
I do not think that either of the pistols are Kimber TLEs as they have a Novak style rear sight rather than a Kimber one. I'll talk about the one in the case first as I have more of an idea about what that might be:[[File:CAWS 684.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]If you look at at the front of the pistol you will see that the slide only protrudes a tiny amount ahead of the frame meaning that I think it is probably Officer length, or possibly a Commander but it is hard to tell for sure with this positioning and angle. It appears to have a full size grip though, and based on the rest of it being a match I would guess that it could be a Smith & Wesson SW1911 Sub Compact:[[File:Smith-Wesson-SW1911-subcompact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Sub Compact - .45 ACP]]The grip plates don't match, but this is because it has been fitted with after market Laser Grips (you can just make out the pressure switch a the front and the on/off switch near the heel of the grip). | |||
As for the one used by the S.T.R.I.K.E. commando not only does it have Novak type sights, it also seems to have a railed frame ruling out it being a TLE. Unfortunately it is not clear enough to narrow down what it is specifically, but the possibilities include a Kimber Warrior, Colt Rail Gun, SW1911 Tactical Railed, Remington 1911 R1 Enhanced, and probably a lot of other stuff. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:25, 14 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
==Winter Soldier's Barrett== | |||
I keep seeing him holding the Barrett is posters but never in the movie, but when Natasha identifies the caliber, she said it's a Russian round...[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 19:11, 26 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Winter Soldier's SIG == | |||
From looking at the screenshots, it looks like a P220 rather than a P226. At least two of the shots show the lack of double stack bulges. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:45, 28 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
== DCL-110 sight == | |||
Why would a sight so large be used on such a small weapon? Wasn't it intended for GPMGs or SAWs? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 18:19, 28 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
:This was already explained on the article's page here. They're not using it as a real sight, they're using it as a prop to represent some kinda advanced tech X-ray scope that can see through walls. | |||
== Hospital Guards == | |||
I know the guard on the right is holding an MP5A3, but I think the guard on the left is holding an HK416.--[[User:Goondocks|Goondocks]] ([[User talk:Goondocks|talk]]) 14:14, 16 October 2015 (EDT) | |||
== Guardians of the Galaxy sections == | |||
The Guardians 1 is clearly not eligible for inclusion on IMFDb and I doubt 2 will be, either. And neither do they serve any real purpose here on this talk page, being completely unrelated to Captain America. Can we just get rid of them? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:50, 12 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
== Baron Strucker has a Glock == | |||
Never consciously noticed this before, but literally the first moment of the mid-credits scene shows a Glock in Strucker's holster, featuring a close-up of the magazine baseplate with the Glock logo clearly legible. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:36, 6 April 2022 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 02:36, 7 April 2022
Discussion
Intratec TEC-38
The image of The Winter Soldier's right thigh shows that there are two guns there. The first is the COP 357 (non-extended barrels) and the second appears to be an Intratec TEC-38 similar to the one from A Low Down Dirty Shame. Zoomed out, it looks like the COP 357 has an extended barrel that is strapped down, but when you zoom in it becomes a little clearer that there is a second gun on the holster. This is my first potential addition to the IMFDB, so I'd like to get a little peer verification before I go and slap on an update. --Extimorous (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2013 (EST)
- You're right. There are two guns. I'll make the edit, thanks for pointing it out.--Mandolin (talk) 16:20, 3 February 2014 (EST)
Set pictures
Just FYI, my ID's pf the FN EGLM, COP 357 and the SIG pistol (think it is a P220 but not 100%) are mostly basedon this set of set images. --commando552 (talk) 17:51, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
- The SIG looks like a resign prop at least in the first shot. --Warejaws (talk) 18:12, 24 October 2013 (EDT)
Handheld Minigun
Probably a modern gun, but it looks like it has the old GE-style barrel clamps vice the newer combination clamps/flash hider. Though it's hard to tell due to the lack of quality.
- It isn't really either, it is a customised short barrelled Minigun, very much like the one used in Soldier. Echo1 makes an Airsoft replica in this configuration, but don't know if it ever actually existed as a production model. --commando552 (talk) 18:04, 3 February 2014 (EST)
- Agreed, the higher res image makes it clear. It looks a lot like the Soldier gun. It may even be the same one. To my understanding short barreled Miniguns only exist in Hollywood (and Airsoft). All military variants have full length 22-inch barrels. Given that they are always emplaced and require an external power supply, there aren't really any benefits to having shorter barrels in a real world application. --Gau17 (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2014 (EST)
Just Saw the Movie
I'm pretty sure that the Winter Soldier's P220-series pistol was a P220 Sport. Possibly the P226 Sport, but the barrel looked a bit too large for that. Anyone care to verify? --Mormonpowerranger521 4 April 2014 2:15 MST
- A lot of the guns were too in motion to get a good look at in the movie, but I agree that it was a P220. There was a nice M1911 in a box near the very end, and the very first merc on the boat at the beginning looked like he had a G36 with an optics carry handle (as opposed to the C handle). Oh, and one of the mannequins of the Howling Commandos had an M3 Grease Gun. EDIT: I just realized that even though that high caliber rifle that fires soviet-made slugs which lack rifling wasn't ever seen in the movie, the Winter Soldier is seen holding it on the cover! I can't ID it though. Alex T Snow (talk) 17:11, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
- I believe the manequins all had guns, so you had an M3A1 for Morita's, a Sten Mk II for Falsworth's, am M1 Garand for Bucky's, a Winchester 1897 Trench gun for Dugan's, and a Browning M1919A4 for Jones's. If Dernier's mannequin had a gun it is obscured, but assuming they are going by the first film it would just be a Sten Mk II anyway. I seem to remember some promotional images of the Winter Soldier with that sniper rifle aswell, and it is a Barrett M107 I believe. --commando552 (talk) 17:51, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
Anyone think that the customized P226 SCT looks like the one from Season 4 of Chuck? --Mormonpowerranger521 5 April 21:00 MST
I think I saw a KRISS Vector when the SHIELD/STRIKE team checks out the bunker after the missile strike. Anyone else see it?--Mandolin (talk) 18:04, 8 April 2014 (EDT)
Winter Soldier's M4A1
Anyone else notice the Winter Soldier's M4A1 has no fencing around the mag release button?
Could it be an M4 upper on an SP1 lower?-Gunner5
It looks that way. Also, that appears to be the same prop (I can't recall if it's supposed to be the same rifle in-universe); the only differences are the attachments, M203/Foregrip and two different EOTechs, otherwise they're completely identical. Alex T Snow (talk) 22:07, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
Skorpion vs Aircraft Canopy
It was sort of weird watching .32 ACP rounds punch through the canopy of a SHIELD jet without any trouble. I think maybe SHIELD needed to invest in some thicker plastic to protect their pilots. Atypicaloracle (talk) 20:37, 25 April 2014 (EDT)
I think it is meant to be portrayed as firing stronger bullets or possibly armor piercing, hell they could even be experimental futuristic bullets that could cut through anything except Cap's shield.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2014 (EDT)
Well, what's even stranger is that Fury's SUV has a windshield and car windows can survive multiple blasts from a bunch of M4A1 Carbines, which fire 5.56x45 mm AP rounds that are more powerful than .32 ACP rounds of a Skorpion. Fury's SUV is pretty much SHIELD technology. With that aside, I enjoyed the movie and liked that they added a political thriller vibe to it (with an exception to the annoying screaming and wailing sounds that play every time the Winter Soldier shows up), almost as if it was a political thriller drama itself. - Kenny99 (talk) 16:44, 4 August 2014 (EDT)
To add to this, in a previous scene, Falcon was having trouble shooting at a SHIELD jet with his Steyrs, which are 9mm, but a couple shots from Winter Soldier's Skorpion, and it went right through? Excalibur01 (talk) 19:49, 9 September 2014 (EDT)
- Seeing as the way they identified him as The Winter Soldier in the first place was by his unique ammunition, I would just assume that all of his guns fire weird, magical, movie BS bullets. --commando552 (talk) 02:59, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
Unknown M16-based rifle?
I'm having trouble identifying this one due to all of the intense action and camera angles. Is this another M4A1 Carbine with the camera angles and quick swipes making it seem as if its thinner and smaller? Or some other weapon derived from the M16? Or neither? Anyway, thanks :D - Kenny99 (talk) 01:09, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
I think it's another M4 without any rear sights, which is weird because a LOT of M4s in this movie is missing any type of rear sight. Excalibur01 (talk) 08:09, 10 September 2014 (EDT)
Additional
Weapons in post credits sequence
I might be wrong as I haven't seen this since the cinema, but I think that in the scene with Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver (can't remember if this was the mid or post credit one) there were a couple of LAW 80s mounted on the wall. There might have been other weapons as well, but I noticed the LAW 80s as these are an odd launcher to see in a film, particularly an American one. I could be wrong though and they were something else, anybody have and shots of them? --commando552 (talk) 17:46, 13 September 2014 (EDT)
1911 ID
I do not think that either of the pistols are Kimber TLEs as they have a Novak style rear sight rather than a Kimber one. I'll talk about the one in the case first as I have more of an idea about what that might be:
If you look at at the front of the pistol you will see that the slide only protrudes a tiny amount ahead of the frame meaning that I think it is probably Officer length, or possibly a Commander but it is hard to tell for sure with this positioning and angle. It appears to have a full size grip though, and based on the rest of it being a match I would guess that it could be a Smith & Wesson SW1911 Sub Compact:
The grip plates don't match, but this is because it has been fitted with after market Laser Grips (you can just make out the pressure switch a the front and the on/off switch near the heel of the grip).
As for the one used by the S.T.R.I.K.E. commando not only does it have Novak type sights, it also seems to have a railed frame ruling out it being a TLE. Unfortunately it is not clear enough to narrow down what it is specifically, but the possibilities include a Kimber Warrior, Colt Rail Gun, SW1911 Tactical Railed, Remington 1911 R1 Enhanced, and probably a lot of other stuff. --commando552 (talk) 08:25, 14 September 2014 (EDT)
Winter Soldier's Barrett
I keep seeing him holding the Barrett is posters but never in the movie, but when Natasha identifies the caliber, she said it's a Russian round...Excalibur01 (talk) 19:11, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
Winter Soldier's SIG
From looking at the screenshots, it looks like a P220 rather than a P226. At least two of the shots show the lack of double stack bulges. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
DCL-110 sight
Why would a sight so large be used on such a small weapon? Wasn't it intended for GPMGs or SAWs? --Charon68 (talk) 18:19, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
- This was already explained on the article's page here. They're not using it as a real sight, they're using it as a prop to represent some kinda advanced tech X-ray scope that can see through walls.
Hospital Guards
I know the guard on the right is holding an MP5A3, but I think the guard on the left is holding an HK416.--Goondocks (talk) 14:14, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
Guardians of the Galaxy sections
The Guardians 1 is clearly not eligible for inclusion on IMFDb and I doubt 2 will be, either. And neither do they serve any real purpose here on this talk page, being completely unrelated to Captain America. Can we just get rid of them? Spartan198 (talk) 19:50, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
Baron Strucker has a Glock
Never consciously noticed this before, but literally the first moment of the mid-credits scene shows a Glock in Strucker's holster, featuring a close-up of the magazine baseplate with the Glock logo clearly legible. Alex T Snow (talk) 22:36, 6 April 2022 (EDT)