|
|
| Line 1: |
Line 1: |
| ''See [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_1]], [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_2]] and [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_3]] for older discussions'' | | '''''See [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 11]], [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 12]] for older discussions''''': |
|
| |
|
| == Tank guns == | | ==Happy 2023== |
| Why haven't tank guns been added to any articles? I've noticed this and I'd kinda like to know why. (Sorry if I sound nosey)--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:27, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
| | Happy New Year's to all. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
| :In general tanks are only equipped with the gun they're actually designed to be equipped with; you're never going to see, for example, a Royal Ordinance L11A5 on an Abrams. Simply saying it's an Abrams in the caption means you've identified the gun (M256 Smoothbore unless it's an M1A-nothing, in which case Royal Ordinance L7). Also you can just say what the tank's coaxial gun is to identify the main gun with it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:33, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::alright, thank you. I was somewhat confused, considering we have the Bushmaster Chainguns and not MBT guns.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 11:05, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::There is a bit of inconsistency with which tank and aircraft weapons have their own pages and which don't. The actual site rules state that a gun must be an "individual or crew served weapon that fires in a DIRECT FIRE role" to have its own page, but some gun pages have been added despite this. Technically I think the Bushmaster qualifies as it is a crew served weapon on US Navy ships, but there are some weapons that don't qualify that have their own pages, mostly aerial cannons. I believe the reasoning behind this rule is that generally if you ever see these heavy weapons in films or TV they will generally be mock ups, de-milled weapons that are essentially just a barrel or CG, as opposed to small arms where they are genuinely appearing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:10, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :: - Actually I believe some of the 'aircraft' weapons like the M61 Vulcan are not only available in a crew-served form but are also actually in movie armories (MPM has mentioned this), so some may also be eligible on that basis as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:50, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::I agree that the Vulcan is eligible for its own page as it has physically appeared in some movies and is in the posession of at least one armourer. However this is by far the exception to the rule. Also slightly off topic, but has the M61 ever been crew served? The stock answer would be in a Spectre but I don't think they are trainable, they are fixed (even if they were trainable they are not aimed by a gunner at the weapon, but remotely aimed by a gunner looking down the FLIR). The actual aiming is done by the pilot who is nowhere near the things. The closest they come to being crew served is that a gunner has to shovel the spent brass out of the way. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:49, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::: - Strictly crew-served/employed I'm not sure but it was mounted on a trainable turret with a special radar/homing setup in a variant of the M113 APC, classified as the M220(?) "VADS" (Vulcan Air-Defense System). As for the 'allowable' question, I believe the general idea was that each piece of that sort would be judged whether it was allowed or not individually on a case-by-case basis. Which I think is doable without much trouble - it's not like there are a whole lot of larger-class of guns like that, unlike the small-arms. For the most part, I agree that larger tank or naval guns shouldn't be included - they're always fake (except in documentary footage, which is minimal), usually not prominent, and as Tim said, not modified/changed to make them something they're not. I think the other stuff has been seen a lot and/or up-close in some media, enough for people to wonder what it may be. I could be wrong though, just a thought. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::::but tanks guns are crew served, technically, right?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 07:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::::It depends on what definition you use, but not really. A crew served weapon is generally standalone or on a carriage, if a tank gun was taken out and fitted to a carriage it would be a crew served weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:42, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::: - Indeed, a crew-served weapon by my understanding is just a weapon system served/employed by a crew of personnel. The weapon may be towed for transport/set-up or even put on a vehicle perhaps, but like commando said, it's still capable of use as a standalone unit - it isn't solely or even mostly mounted on a vehicle from which it is used like big guns on tanks and ships. In that regard, the vehicle is the central piece - not the weapon itself, and the vehicle isn't simply considered a 'mount' from which the weapon can be used. In a way you are right that it is served by a crew, but the crew serving the tank's main gun isn't serving the weapon so much as serving part of the vehicle - it's a tank crew, not a M256-gun-mounted-on-an-armored-self-propelled-chassis crew. As said, some of the automatic cannons that are listed are capable of being employed as independent standalone pieces as I understand, and not strictly only part of a particular vehicle or mount. And as I also stated, some of those other weapons have been or are in movie armories, tank guns not so as far as I know. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:59, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::alright thank you for the clarification.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 08:55, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::: - What, you read all that crap? I was just trying to sound impressive! ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:40, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::::::BTW, I know I'm late to this discussion, but for the record, I'm against listing auto cannons that are only aircraft used, especially fighter jet aircraft. They can be identified on the individual movie, tv, VG page, but they don't deserve their own pages. No movie armory has one, as they would have to have the fighter jet to begin with. Sure we have "some" older fighter jets in private hands and if a movie armory has has that weaponry in their inventory, it counts. But all the new stuff does not qualify. Just like the big guns on Naval vessels. NO armory would have one of their own. You guys are pretty much on the mark as per this stuff. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 02:35, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Main Page Changes == | | == I guess, I made ID of Thark Rifle in John Carter movie == |
|
| |
|
| So the featured templates (article, quotes, trivia) are discontinued? Will there be a tutorial on how the automatic updating will work? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 16:56, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
| | At the ''[[John Carter (2012)|John Carter]]'' movie, most Tharks (Green Martian clan) use Thark Martian rifles. Of course, it was futurised guns, but, after closing inspection of the original movie props, I notice, that's this futusistic rifles were made from [[Tanegashima]]s (of course, a modern replicas). For proving this guess, I made a photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. So, I guess, that's useful to ID the gun as Tanegashma. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC) |
| :There is a little demo [http://www.rockethub.com/24843 here] of how pages will work after the update. This is only a mock up/demo but you can get a vague idea of how it will work. I have another question about the update, I can see that it makes doing a simple standard page with easy entries simpler and will help a load with standardisation, but will it still be possible to do slightly more complicated things or will the template system restrict it? For example will the size of the gun images be set to a standard width meaning that images in a different aspect ratio like grenades will be huge, or will there be a way to manually set it? Also, will you be able to do more complicated gun links using the templates, and by that I mean links to sections within pages or having the link use different text (like a link saying "Springfield Armory XD9 V10" taking you to the "Springfield Armory XD" page)? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:07, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
| | [[Image:Thark rifle photoshop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. The serpent for the match and closing powderbox (1), which is almost similar on the Tanegashima and Thark rifle. The pistol-grip buttstock (2) which is also almost similar. Of course, the movie prop is equipped with some part of other guns (percussion hammer) as well as some junks, to look more futuristic, as well, it's sawn in half, but the basing gun is Tanegashima.]] |
| ::@Ben41 - As explained on the forum, this is only temporary.
| |
| ::@Commando552 - all good questions. Let's just say there is a reason it has taken us so long to get the software to this point, and why it will take us longer to get it up and running. The short answer is yes. The templates will account for the defaults, but there will be ways around it when necessary.
| |
| ::--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] <span style="color:green">''IMFDB Chief of Operations''</span> ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 19:41, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::I am excited and totally supportive of the suggested revisions, but I have an obvious question. I don't participate in the forum and the above demo on YouTube seems to be protected so I am still a bit 'in the dark' if there are any changes regarding page creation from now. Can I still use the 'infobox' format or do I need to run my text through a different format? I just finished coding a movie and I want to get it on IMFDB in a future-proof format. Thanks for any suggestion (will make financial contribution tomorrow!), [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 17:42, 4 May 2013 (EDT) | |
|
| |
|
| ::::@PeeWee Not sure what the heck is going on with the YouTube video. It is the same video that is on the [http://www.rockethub.com/24843 RocketHub page]. We are looking into the issue right now. For now, continue to use the site exactly as you have been. The reason we need funding is that we haven't actually developed the complete back-end yet. We have been tinkering with it for a few months now in our free time. The video is a proof of concept that shows what we plan to do. In the video you see it working with a shotgun. At the moment, we ONLY have it for a shotgun. In other words, if you tried that for a pistol, it wouldn't work (and its not on imfdb, we are working on a sandbox server so as not to mess up what works on here). You would not believe how complicated some of this backend stuff is. Anyway, assuming we get funding and are able to impliment this stuff, we will talk more about the process of converting the site over the new format. It is something we have thought a lot about and are still figuring out. Bottom line: for now, just keep using the site as you always have and keep up the good work, everyone!
| | ==Smiling Friends page?== |
| ::::--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] <span style="color:green">''IMFDB Chief of Operations''</span> ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 23:18, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
| | The western animation series Smiling Friends has quite a few realistically-drawn firearms which I documented on my sandbox [[User:Dnkakusei/Sandbox#Smiling_Friends_.5B2022-ongoing.2C_USA.5D|here]]. I would just like to know if the show qualifies for a page on this site. --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC) |
| ::::: I allways create pages offline (in simple text editor) and put them on IMFDB when they are ready. Will I still be able to continue such practice, or only online editing will remain after revision? The latter will make great difficulties for my future contribution on IMFDB because I have access to internet not allways when I have free time for working on a page. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| Just made a contribution through RocketHub and an idea came up. Due to economic reasons I am temporarily somewhat short on money but plenty on time, so how about I, and possibly others, contribute that 'time' to support IMFDB? Maybe some people can get lists of pages with broken links, or that otherwise need cleaning up, and we allocate a few hours to do boring but essential manual correction work? I know from my own professional experience that any database basically is as good as the worst contribution. Am interested to hear what you think, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 08:52, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == A 'tongue-in-cheek' notice to all IMFDB members... == | | == Delete category backlog == |
|
| |
|
| [[Image:Arnie.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | | Just want to holler at the mod/s just in case. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC) |
| [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 11:03, 6 May 2013 (EDT) | | : Got more screenshots from Detective Conan marked for deletion since Netflix Japan's able to get remastered episodes out and I'm slowly using them to update pages here. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC) |
| | :: Got more stuff for deletion. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 06:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC) |
|
| |
|
| - I love this site and what it represents. To be honest though, two years ago, I wouldn't have been able to support the project even if you had Arnie himself threaten me. But now I'm employed again so hopefully I might be able to contribute a bit in a couple weeks or so. Now I certainly won't get attitude with those who don't though, and will frown upon those who want to force the issue - I'm not saying it's not important, but some may not be able to contribute for a number of reasons, and I won't give them guff about it. In all fairness, I would think most people could give something - hell even five bucks adds up if quite a lot do it. I won't be able to go for the grand prize unless I won the lottery, but damn I'd love to check it out. Anyway, I would say just do what you can. I do like the picture though, that was a nice choice to go with original T800 Arnie. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:07, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
| | == Blue Muzzle Flashes == |
|
| |
|
| == Need help with pistol ID. ==
| | Something I have noticed with classic action films, mostly within the 80's era, is that a lot of muzzle flashes appear more blue than yellow. Did this have something to do with the type of blanks/props that were being used back then, or was this just a result of 1980's cinematography? --[[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC) |
|
| |
|
| I need some help IDing a pistol. These are from ''The Man in the Brown Suit'' from 1989. The scenes were shot in Spain. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:59, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
| | [[Image:TERMSE_SIDEA-35.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] |
| [[Image: TMitBS_pistol_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I was going to say [[Astra Constable]], but it's missing the slide mounted safety.]] | | [[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| [[Image: TMitBS_pistol_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The pistol isn't that tiny, it's just that the guy holding it, Ken Howard, is huge.]] | | [[Image:DH_McClane3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|none|]] |
| [[Image: TMitBS_pistol_03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] | | [[Image:CommandoS&W39-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] |
| [[Image: TMitBS_pistol_04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|No slide mounted safety.]] | | [[Image:Vlcsnap-40281.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]] |
| [[Image: TMitBS_pistol_05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|There's a bit of an optical illusion here. The trigger guard isn't different, it's just that one of the fingertips from her left hand is curling over it. ]] | |
|
| |
|
| :That is the Astra A-50, the SAO variant of the Constable. There are three different Constable variants (Constable is just the US import name), the base A-5000 which is the original version which is on the Constable page, the A-50 which was SAO and had a frame safety along with omitting the slide release catch for some reason, and the double stack A-60. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:45, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
| | == Monsters vs Aliens? == |
| ::I don't know if a SAO pocket pistol is that great of an idea. Thanks again! --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:45, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::It does seem to be a bit of an oddity. I'm not actually sure if it was even imported into the US, as all the pistols you see are either just described as a "Astra Constable" for the standard or "Astra A-60 Constable" for the double stack. The A-50 was also strangely used as the basis for a couple of .22 LR target pistols, the [http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp68/predecessor/DSCF2834.jpg Astra A-50 Sport] and the [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Astra_TS22.jpg Astra TS-22]. The TS-22 is particularly bizarre, as due to the fact that it uses a compact frame with full size target grips, the standard A-50 magazine needs a wooden spacer stuck on the bottom of it to fill the gap. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:18, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::SAO makes a lot more sense for a target pistol. I don't know why anyone would get a SAO pocket pistol if there was a DA/SA version available as well. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:55, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Magpul iPhone Case ==
| | Should we add a page about Monsters vs Aliens, the movie has some detailed guns like the M4 Carbine |
|
| |
|
| I saw that Magpul has been added as a sponsor and that their iPhone case is now available. It's an excellent choice, especially for our users who live in places were they can't own guns or are too young to own guns. I have one of their iPhone 4/4S cases for my work phone, and I love it. It's made of the same material as their PMAGs, and the finish and ribbing allows a fine grip. It comes in a variety of colors (mine is flat dark earth) and is easy to remove if you want to slip it into a dock or something. And my favorite "feature," is that it doesn't have that obnoxious cutout for the Apple logo on the back that some cases have. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 01:31, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
| | == Prodigal Son - Season 2, Unknown semi-auto pistol == |
|
| |
|
| == Halo Games ==
| | I believe have a positive ID on the "unknown" semi-auto pistol listed for Prodigal Son - Season 2. |
| Why aren't any of these included on here? I mean, Bungie has said themselves that some of the guns are based in real-life weapons. For example, the MA5 rifle series was said to be based on the F2000 rifle, and the M6 pistol series was said to be based on the Desert Eagle. What I'm asking is this: would it be okay if I added a page for Halo?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 09:10, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :It's generally been decided that the Halo weapons aren't sufficiently realistic; while this hasn't been helped by all the people who've tried to make Halo pages being (a) terrible at making pages and (b) trolls and / or idiots, very few of the weapons have much more than a vague resemblance to a real world firearm (about the only one I can think of offhand that definitely is a specific IRL weapon is the sniper rifle, which is an NTW-20 with the magwell rotated 90 degrees). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:27, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::alright, fair enough. Thank you very much for the clarification--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 10:33, 3 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Target P38 ==
| | I requested an account specifically to help with this ID but I don't understand how to correctly add this info |
|
| |
|
| I ran across the pistol below tonight. It's obviously a Walther P38/P1 or some sort, but I can't seem to find any information on it. It looks like a target version, with a longer, thicker barrel, and adjustable sights. (As if a P38 mated with a Wildey Hunter.) Is it a production model, a custom job, or maybe a kit with a different slide and barrel. Is it even a real gun? (It's never fired onscreen.) The slide appears to be devoid of markings. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 02:30, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| | If someone could vet this and add it, I'd appreciate it! |
| [[Image: MWM_P38_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
| |
| : My only guess is a version of Erma 882, a .22 long-barreled sporting pistol based on P38. But it is a very weak guess. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 04:30, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::I think this same pistol was used in ''[[Dempsey and Makepeace]]'', which was shot around the same time. It was IDed as a Wildey Hunter. You can't see the left side of the gun, where all the controls are, but the rear sight appears to match. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:08, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| [[File:AutoMag-DMII-2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jim Presley ([[Terence Budd]]) with his unusual weapon ... ]]
| |
| [[File:AutoMag-DMII-2b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|... aiming at Jack Cade ([[Tom Georgeson]]).]]
| |
| :I've been searching on Google for a while now, and it's very frustrating, because you would think something like this THEORETICALLY SHOULD exist. The P38 was a service weapon for a major power for almost sixty years, you'd think there'd be some demand for a target version. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:26, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :: French Manurhin also produced long-barreled sporting versions of Walther, based on PP and P38. But none of them matches the screen pistol. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:53, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::I saw the Manurhin target PP, and the fact that it even exists means there should be the equivalent for the P38. The fact that I can't find a thing on it is very frustrating. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:48, 9 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| Seems the mystery of this gun is solved! I have been in contact with one of the authors of a [http://www.all4shooters.com/de/Zeitschriften/VISIER-Special-im-Web/68-Walther-P38-und-P1/ recent reference book about P38/P1] who's also involved with the [http://www.vffwts.de/de/artikel.html museum and study center of the German Army]. As the one person who can confirm, he informed me that there has never been any official version as visible in the images. He confirms it's a pure armorers job based on a P1, to make the gun look like a Wildey Hunter. Case closed, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 11:59, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :That explains why we couldn't find anything on it. Thank you very much for asking. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:07, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Project Reality: Normandy ==
| | Prodigal Son - S02E10, "Exit Strategy". At approx 34m:30s, Felix (spoiler: Clayton Fielder's twin) climbs a staircase while brandishing, then racking, a silver-tone semi-auto I identify as a TriStar P-120 (CZ75 clone). It's later seen several times from virtually every conceivable angle starting around 38:10. |
|
| |
|
| Is this gonna get added or something? Because this has been out for like a year now...--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 10:18, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| | :I checked it and I think you're right, so I did make all the necessary changes. By the way, don't forget to put your nickname and time in all discussions using 4 "~" at the end of each post. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
| :If someone is willing to put in the effort to create AND COMPLETE a page, they are more than welcome to do so. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:26, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::ok.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 16:52, 7 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Different actors with identical names ==
| | : Thank you! |
|
| |
|
| How do we name actor pages in case of different actors with the same name? I have such problem with several Russian actors and need help to avoid confusion. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:29, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
| | Therealnecroscope, 06:35, 6 June 2023 |
|
| |
|
| : Just a suggestion but one way is if they have different middle names (As in the case of both Vanessa Williams), you could add the middle initial to the name of one or all the actor pages to distinguish them apart. If it's the same initial but different middle name you may have to go for the full name on the actor page or something. As for if they have identical FULL names (not that likely but certainly possible), well then that would be a bit of a conundrum. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 18:07, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
| | (Testing nic/time) |
| :::In the US, union rules prohibit the same name, thus the initials. For example, Michael J. Fox had to add the "J." because there already was a Michael Fox. (His real middle name is Andrew). --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:13, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
| | [[User:Therealnecroscope|Therealnecroscope]] ([[User talk:Therealnecroscope|talk]]) 10:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC) |
| :::: Thanks for advices! But the problem is that Russian language differs from English in the case of middle names. We use patronymics but they are recorded in different way than English middle names: Ivan Petrovich Sidorov ("Ivan" is a given name, "Petrovich" is a patronymic, and "Sidorov" is a family name) can be shortly recorded as Ivan Sidorov or I.P.Sidorov but never Ivan P. Sidorov. So adding numbers will be a better solution. An actor who started his career earlier will get a I, and the one that appeared on screen later would be number II, right? I cannot take numbers straight from IMDB because they use a continuous numbering for directors, actors and other cinema people and we here need only actors, so the numbering would be local. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:38, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::::With the Robert Taylors, it was just a matter of who had a page here first. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:19, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::I ran into that issue with two Robert Taylors. The second one was marked as [[Robert Taylor (II)]] like IMDB does. I also added a little explanation on top of the page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:10, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Captcha == | | ==White M18 grenade== |
| | Are white M18 smoke grenade only seen in TV/movies/games? Been seeing some of those. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
| | :I don't think they come in white IRL. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
|
| |
|
| I've been trying to upload screenshots recently and I keep running into a captcha challenge. What's going on? I've been trying to access the site on both Firefox and IE. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 23:13, 14 July 2013 (EDT)
| | ==Stunt/action choreography for a director's page== |
| :I've been getting that at work in the mornings and around dusk. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:41, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
| | On the page for stunt choreographer and two-time film director [[Kensuke Sonomura]], I've added a list of films and games that he contributed stunt direction and choreography to. I'm planning on fully adding these productions to his category, but I was told to ask an admin first because stunt coordination is a pretty niche credit, however I believe that these productions should be added to his category as stunt and action sequences are vital and important parts of these films and games. Is it safe to add the pages? --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC) |
| ::Ugh, captcha's back. I've got a bunch of caps to upload, but I guess I'll hold off till later. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 23:29, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::The same problem. I run into captcha when uploading files, creating and editing pages and even when I click "Show preview". Tested in Firefox and Chrome. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 08:51, 19 July 2013 (EDT) UPD: when editing this page, I don't encounter captcha. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 08:53, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Site Running Slow == | | ==Firearm citations without screen grabs?== |
| | I am new here, and I have not seen any guidelines about whether it's okay to cite a firearm in a movie listing without an associated screen grab. Is it better to have a weapon identified, even without a photo? ... or is it really better to make sure that each citation includes corresponding screen grabs? --[[User:226X5-9-TAC|226X5-9-TAC]] ([[User talk:226X5-9-TAC|talk]]) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC). |
| | :First off, welcome aboard. As for your question, if it's a pre-existing page, then pointing out a specific gun that doesn't already have a screencap is fine, as long as you're specific about when and where it appears (though having a screencap is always preferable). If it's for a page that doesn't exist yet, we'd prefer not - we have an excess of pages without screencaps as-is. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC) |
|
| |
|
| The site is taking a long time to load pictures. Is there maintenance going on? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 04:39, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
| | == Identifying revolver == |
|
| |
|
| : It seems ok to me loading-wise, and I myself have been having internet issues generally. But I have noticed a hiccup or two, but again, I can't tell if that's the site or me. One thing though, I've been getting security code entry pages at times when I've had to edit. Again, I'd say it might just be me, but I know Ben's had those issues too. Maybe something is going on. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:29, 18 July 2013 (EDT)
| | What type of revolver is this? Film is from 1938. [[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 17:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC) |
|
| |
|
| == Checking on a recent work I did. ==
| | [[File:L&HTroubles Revolver 1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]] |
| | : Not really a detailed enough shot to tell much. Appears to be a mid-size, .38 or therabouts. Ejector rod looks rather long which makes me think it has a socket, which would make it a S&W. If so, likely a Military & Police model. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
|
| |
|
| [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sakura_Taisen:_%C3%89cole_de_Paris Need a check on this work of mine] to see if the sniper rifle used in the Sakura Taisen: École de Paris OVA is the M1903 Springfield, although I'm getting a feeling that it's one of the variants with a Unertl scope. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:40, 26 July 2013 (EDT)
| | ==NCIS Sydney== |
| :The last cap has me thinking Arisaka. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:26, 27 July 2013 (EDT)
| | Should I wait until the episode/s airing in Australia in the last few weeks this month are accessible in Canada/US next month (January 2024) before screencapping, even though the show's backed by CBS and Paramount Plus? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
| ::Holy crap, you could be right. After all, Sakomizu is the Japanese ambassador to France that he could use his immunity to get his hands on an Arisaka rifle. Now I need to do research. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 02:21, 28 July 2013 (EDT)
| |
|
| |
|
| == Donate time instead of funds to IMFDB? == | | == Happy New Year! (2024) == |
|
| |
|
| Unfortunately the recent funding project has not resulted in enough funds to realize a more user-friendly interface on IMFDB and bring the quality of the site to a higher level. I was just wondering if we could bring together a couple of motivated contributors who would be willing to spend some time on a structured clean-up of IMFDB. The idea is to make the best of IMFDB as it is, and all take a list of pages (say 100 each?) where we correct obvious spelling mistakes and revise broken/missing links. I know there's a few admins who work very hard on that but if we make this a combined effort, we could somewhat bring IMFDB to a bit higher quality level. It's not very spectacular (and probably quite boring), but I guess a little maintenance doesn't hurt once in a while. Let me know what you think, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 09:37, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
| | Happy New Year to all IMFDB and may this year be prolific in page editing too!--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC) |
| :I'd like to think members are constantly trying to make improvements. Spelling and grammar fixes are easy, everyone should be able to lend a hand in that. Formatting fixes are a bit harder, since you'd have to know code, but once you learn it, it's nothing. A bit harder than that is converting pages to tables. There are a some actor pages out there that still haven't been converted, and even if you don't know how, I suppose users can always make note of that on the talk page. Converting weapon pages to tables tends to be a bit more tedious, since dates may be missing and will need to be cross-referenced. New users might also want to check out our [[:Category:Incomplete|Incomplete]] pages, it might be easier to finish a partially built page than to build one from scratch. We've published a [[IMFDB Style Guide|style guide]] and a [[IMFDB Screencapping Guide|screencapping guide]] to help new users along. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:42, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :: The vast majority of my contributions consist of formatting/organization edits and occasionally reworking/adding some of the table formats on pages. One thing I try to do is add and interconnect media pages with entries on both the respective gun and actor pages, but I admit that's tedious work and I certainly don't do it throughout the site. But I do what I can, I too would like to think others do as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 22:02, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::Any type of help in cleaning up would be great. If users can convert the pages to tables that would be great, especially the weapons pages. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 01:29, 6 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == 403 Forbidden error... ==
| |
| | |
| ... on [[...And Justice For All]] page. My bet is that three dots in title cause this - if Admin could fix this, that'd be great (page can't be reached, and edited, via the Wiki CMS). --[[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 06:55, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :You can actually look at the page by previewing it from http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=...And_Justice_For_All&action=edit but I can't get moving it to work, it just 403s me. Temporary fix: [[And Justice For All]]. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:41, 8 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == Whoa, what is with the LOUD pop up commercial that appears on this page?!?!?!?!? ==
| |
| | |
| The default should be silent. Most folks don't appreciate a LOUD audio of a pop up commercial on a page. Sure, I understand the fiscal need for advertisements, but loud audio as the default is almost universally disliked. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 16:36, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| ==Something to check up on==
| |
| | |
| [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_Arise Did this page], but I need another set of eyes to help me complete it for now. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 21:48, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :The unknown pistol kinda-sorta looks like a [[Beretta Cougar]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:59, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::My bet is on [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941 Compact]]... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 22:10, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::If I can only flip a coin. So hard to distinguish which one, but the design is initially leaning on the Beretta Mini Cougar though due to the manual safety on the slide. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 23:42, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::Are you sure it's not some crazy pistol made up for the series? It appears there's a lot of them in that franchise. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 23:54, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::Could be. Another theory I came up with is that it's a mixup of parts from the Mini Cougar and the 941 Compact. But since the movies came out recently, probably it's best to wait for a visual book or something? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 00:00, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::::If it is based on a Jericho, it is the compact, slide safety, polymer framed RBL:[[File:Jericho 941 RBL Compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Jericho 941 RBL Compact - 9x19mm]]However even with this there are several differences, most notably the shape of the slide which is open at the top like the [[Beretta 92FS]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:45, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::::Thanks. Here's the said picture for reference: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:GITSA_GP_pistols.jpg [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 08:38, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == Empty space on top of page caused by 'unidentified gun' template ==
| |
| | |
| I just noticed that whenever I use the template for 'unidentified gun' on top of a page, it seems to cause a relatively big white space (appr. 2" on a regular 15.4" laptop screen) between the symbol and the rest of the page. For examples, check my most recent entries [[Torrente]] and [[Baytown Outlaws, The|The Baytown Outlaws]]. I remember a discussion about a year ago about spaces on the top of pages caused by advertisements, but this seems to be related to the 'unidentified gun' template as the space disappears when I remove the template. Thanks in advance for your feedback about how to fix this, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 04:04, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :I see such space on every movie/TV/game page, with or without any template on top though it doesn't appear on actor or weapon pages. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 05:05, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::It isn't to do with the banner templates like Unknown or WIP, it is the infobox. The reason is that it wasn't working with the banner adds at the top of the page (I think the infobox ended up next to the add on the left of the page or something and messed the whole thing up) so spaces were manually put in on the template to allow room for the banner add at the top. If you have an ad-blocker or are using a skin other than the default you won't see the adds, so this is the space where they otherwise would be. I might have a fix though, but as I am not sure what the original problem was as I use a different skin will need to check with other people that it solves it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:08, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::Try logging out and looking at the same page as an anonymous user, and it's spaced perfectly. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:58, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::::I don't see how it could be, the space is built into the infobox template. Do you mean that when you log out adds fill the space, because if so that means you have a non default skin meaning the adds don't show up. The space isn't going away, it just gets filled with an add. My idea for a fix is to just replace the 14 blank lines in th etemplate with a <nowiki><br clear=all></nowiki>, which would create only one blank line if using an ad-blocker or non default skin, or if not just start the page immediately under the conflicting add. Have run it past Bunni first though, as he was the one who put in the lines in the template in the first place. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:07, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::::I've changed the templates to (I think) get rid of the gap and they seem to be behaving with and without adds. If anyone notices anything weird please let me know. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:57, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :It's all fine now! I was not using any add blocker but for some reason the spaces are gone now. Sorry to take your time, a big thanks from Holland, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 04:09, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == That fundraiser from earlier ==
| |
| | |
| I remember what at the beginning of the year or so, there was a fundraiser to upgrade IMFDB, or something of the like. When will we expect that upgrade to be implemented? - [[User:1morey]] September 20, 2013 9:16 AM (EST)
| |
| | |
| :Unfortunately we fell very far short of our goal. We are currently looking for other options of how to move forward with the upgrade. It is something that we certainly want to do, but at present is not possible. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] <span style="color:green">''IMFDB Chief of Operations''</span> ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 15:21, 20 September 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == Help with ID ==
| |
| | |
| I ran across this weird carbine in both Seasons 1 and 4 of ''Mission: Impossible.'' Within the show, it's not a real gun, but rather some sort of launcher for non-lethal munitions, a small rocket in one episode and a HEP/gas grenade in another. It certainly looks like it was built from a real gun though, like if an M1 Carbine mated with an MP40. Any ideas? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:25, 3 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| [[Image: MI_0102_carbine_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barney assembles the rocket as the carbine lies on the table. Note the cutouts at the bottom of the stock.]]
| |
| [[Image: MI_0102_carbine_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barney with the fully assembled launcher.]]
| |
| [[Image: MI_0102_carbine_03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the receiver.]]
| |
| [[Image: MI66_0423_carbine_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another closeup of the receiver. The trigger is visible, as is some sort of button.]]
| |
| [[Image: MI66_0423_carbine_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An over-the-shoulder view. There appears to be something protruding from the rear of the receiver. It's not the stock, since the stock appears to be locked forward. (The projectile is the thing sticking out of the door to the left of the red seal.)]]
| |
| [[Image: MI66_0423_carbine_03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|There appears to be some sort of tube coming from the bottom. Possibly air to propel the projectile?]]
| |
| | |
| == Magazine about guns in movies ==
| |
| | |
| I recently bought a [http://www.vsmedien-shop.de/visier-special/visier-special-ausgaben/13/visier-special-50-filmwaffen?c=2154 special edition of Visier] (the leading gun magazine in Germany) that I think might be of interest to you. It’s all about movie weapons (‘Filmwaffen’) and even though it also has info about blades and pyrotechnics, the majority of this special edition focusses on guns in movies, check the [http://www.vsmedien-shop.de/files/downloads/inhaltsverzeichnis_special_50-132619.pdf summary]. It was originally published in 2008 and if you don’t mind the German and are looking for a Christmas gift, I can really recommend it. Happy reading, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 11:24, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == six gun afficionados on IMFDB?.. ==
| |
| | |
| I have recently screencapped all three seasons of [[Hell On Wheels]], which is a great show by the way.
| |
| A couple of ex-Confederate soldiers had these revolvers in an episode, and I don't know whether they are Colt 1851 Navy revolvers or Griswold & Gunnison revolvers.
| |
| [[Image:HoWS2E5sixguns.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
| |
| The brass frames have me thinking that these are Griswolds, but the octagonal barrels have me thinking these are Colt Navys. Or perhaps some weird combination built on parts from both of the aforementioned revolers... I'd really appreciate if you could help me out here, I'm no expert on six shooters. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 13:31, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :I'm not really a revolver guy, however I wouldn't rely on the frame material to ID one of these old revolvers. It is highly unlikely that a modern production will be using a genuine original revolver, and instead they will be using some kind of replica. For example, [http://www.battleorders.co.uk/western-1/hand-guns/pietta-colt-1851-navy-brass-frame-6611.html this] is a modern Pietta blank fire reproduction of the Colt Navy 1851, and as you can see it has a "brass" frame. Also, note the step on the cylinder which wasn't there on either the original Colt or Griswold. From what I have seen (again, definitely not an expert on these) this is indicative of them being chambered for a different caliber, either cased blanks as is the case with the above Pietta, or they are in .44 caliber like [http://www.midwayusa.com/product/622732/cva-1851-navy-brass-frame-cap-and-ball-revolver-44-caliber-7-1-2-blue-barrel this] CVA reproduction. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:39, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| ::Thanks for the insight. I know that most of the older guns we see in media are reproducton pieces from Uberti etc., but how does one label them? The Griswold is a copy of the 1851 Navy with a round barrel and a brass frame, and these guns are probably modern replicas with brass frames. But they also have octagonal barrels, so do you put it on the page as ''Colt 1851 Navy'', and explain in the text that these are reproduction models, or?... I don't think I've ever done a western here on IMFDB, so this is all very new to me... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 20:26, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| == Marvel One Shot Film inclusions ==
| |
| | |
| Question though. Is it fine to include Marvel One shots such as the Agent Carter film released in the Iron Man 3 Blu-Ray? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 00:11, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| | |
| :I'm discussing this with [[User:Funkychinaman|FCM]]. These will probably be added to the discussion pages of the films that they were included with. (Ex. Agent Carter will probably be put in the discussion page of Iron Man 3). --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 04:24, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| ::''Agent Carter'' is up on the IM3 discussion page. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:34, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
| |
| :::''A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer'' is up on the ''Captain America'' discussion page. ''The Consultant'' didn't have any weapons outside of footage from ''The Incredible Hunk''.--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 22:33, 3 November 2013 (EST)
| |
| | |
| == I Am Legend ==
| |
| | |
| What happened to the [[I Am Legend]] page? I was editing it and now it's completely unreachable. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:54, 5 November 2013 (EST)
| |
| : Seems to load up for me, I haven't tried editing it though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:01, 5 November 2013 (EST)
| |
| ::Working now. -[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:31, 5 November 2013 (EST)
| |
| | |
| ==Including the Type 91 MANPAD==
| |
| Should I put it under the FIM-92, since it looks similar, but it has a different guidance system and they're used since the late 1990s by the JSDF? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 09:41, 7 November 2013 (EST)
| |
