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== Broken APC9 == | == Broken APC9 == | ||
What happened to that poor thing? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:20, 4 July 2013 (EDT) | What happened to that poor thing? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:20, 4 July 2013 (EDT) | ||
== Blackhawk == | |||
Is that burning MH-60 fitted with tiny Sidewinders? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:44, 5 November 2013 (EST) | |||
[[File:WHD 811.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackhawk helicopters appear to have FN [[M240|M240D]] machine guns mounted as door guns. ]] | |||
[[File:WHD 808.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The door machine gun appears to be an M240D.]] | |||
:...Yes..the MH-60 has a bunch of Sidewinders for absolutely no reason. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:43, 5 November 2013 (EST) | |||
::It's supposed to be the MH-60L DAP, but that model only used AIM-92 Stingers or Hellfire missiles in real life. Coincidentally, the MH-60s in Olympus has Fallen were also DAP models. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 18:23, 5 November 2013 (EST) | |||
[[Image:WhiteHouseDown-M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mercenaries armed with customized M4A1 rifles (circled in red).]] | |||
== SIG P250 == | |||
Anybody else think this looks more like a [[SIG-Sauer P250]] than a [[SIG-Sauer P229R]]? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 2:21, 23 November 2013 (MST) | |||
[[File:WHD-P229-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the ovular nature at the bottom of the grip, as well as the slide serrations, too short to be from a P229. Also, if you look carefully, there's no visible hammer.]] | |||
:Actually, yes. Particularly a P250 Compact. I just watched this film, I thought it was pretty okay. Olympus was better, though, but that just my opinion. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 05:10, 23 November 2013 (EST) | |||
:You are both right, so I've edited the page. I actually liked White House Down more than Olympus Has Fallen, I feel like the former was way more fun than the latter and had better production values. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] ([[User talk:Markit|talk]]) 23:26, 23 November 2013 (EST) | |||
==Nitpicks== | |||
Watching this movie for the first time, there was 2 things that I thought was a bit off in certain characters. One is the dressed Marines escorting the president to the bunker. He got his hands on an M16 or maybe in his guard duties, it was the weapon he was issued sure but why was it not at the ready? All the way to his death, he was carrying the rifle in a like he's marching with it and not you...at the ready, defending the president. It just bothered me a bit. If it wasn't loaded and he's carrying it to show off as a guard, then why is he still carrying it? The second thing is Agent Walker's personal sidearm a Beretta and it was a bit off to me as to why even an old agent would carry it unless he wanted a clean weapon to use during the attack but that didn't make any sense. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:23, 24 November 2013 (EST) | |||
:All excellent points. As a person who has studied the Secret Service extensively, I found both ''White House Down'' and ''Olympus Has Fallen'' to be rather lacking in accuracy. ''Olympus Has Fallen'' had (for the most part) the correct weapons for the Secret Service, and had a lot more agents who actually fought back, but had poor special effects and CGI. Whereas '''White House Down'' had better sets and props, but inaccuracies in the weapons used and the offhanded ease with which the mercenaries mowed down the agents and officers seemed ridiculous. For the record, these are currently the actual weapons used by the Secret Service: | |||
*SIG-Sauer P229 semi-automatic pistol, 12-round magazine, .357 SIG hollowpoint (standard sidearm for all agents and Uniformed Division officers) | |||
*Remington Model 870 pump-action shotgun, 6 shells, 12-gauge 00 buckshot or steel slugs | |||
*H&K MP5A3 submachine gun, 30-round magazines (dual magged), iron sites, 9mm hollowpoint | |||
*FN P90 submachine gun, 50-round box magazine, EOTech holographic sites, 5.7x28 mm FMJ (favored by the Emergency Response Team) | |||
*KAC SR-16 assault carbine, 30-round magazines (dual magged), ACOG scopes, 5.56x45mm NATO FMJ (favored by the Counter-Assault Team) | |||
*Remington Model 700PSS bolt-action sniper rifle, 6 rounds, specially-modified Leupold scopes, .300 WinMag FMJ (Countersniper Support Unit) | |||
*KAC SR-25 semi-automatic sniper rifle, 20-round box magazine, specially-modified Leupold scopes, 7.62x51mm NATO FMJ (Countersniper Support Unit) | |||
:The one thing that bugs me more than anything is seeing an agent with an MP5K. The Secret Service has never used the "K", only the "-A3". It's only in movies and TV shows that agents are armed with the MP5K. --[[User:US Secret Service|US Secret Service]] ([[User talk:US Secret Service|talk]]) 13:21, 25 November 2013 (EST) | |||
::A couple of things to add about that weapon list. Firstly, in every image I can find of Secret Service with P90s or SR-16s they are both fitted with Aimpoint CompM2s or CompM3s, rather than EOTechs or ACOGs. Secondly, the sniper rifles used are not Remington 700PSSs. Although built on a Remington long action they are custom built rifles with Schneider barrels in McMillan stocks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:18, 25 November 2013 (EST) | |||
:::You're probably right...I'm not exactly a weapons expert...the scopes and attachments were just my best guess. I always assumed that the CS Unit carried Remington 700s, 'cause that was what they looked like to me (although I did note that the barrels of their custom rifles were silver, not black). I do know that they sometimes refer to them as "JAR"s for "just another rifle". --[[User:US Secret Service|US Secret Service]] ([[User talk:US Secret Service|talk]]) 14:56, 25 November 2013 (EST) | |||
:::: According to the Blu-ray featurette, the rifles were Remington 700 actions fitted in the Strike Dual stocks. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 00:25, 26 November 2013 (EST) | |||
== Another rifle to add... == | |||
I spotted a short barreled AR-15 of some sort (guessing Mk-18) held by one of the soldiers on the White House lawn during the ending / wrap up scene. Unfortunately I don't have the means to screencap it right now but for anyone who does, listen for the dialog cue: "Did you see my routine?" , "Yeah, I'm so proud of you. You were beautiful baby." and watch for one soldier walking behind Channing Tatum from left to right, and another standing in front of the wrecked helicopter. | |||
There could well be more of them lurking in some background scenes but those are the only ones I'm sure I saw. | |||
Happy Christmas all --S | |||
[[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 14:29, 27 December 2013 (EST) | |||
I spotted it, too. Unfortunately I don't have the movie to cap it, but it's there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:48, 22 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Standard P229 or P229 E2 == | |||
Is it standard SIG-Sauer P229's that are used, or is it the more advanced E2? The discrepancy comes from the fact that the SIG shown in the screen caps seems to be a normal SIG P229, yet the actors profiles state its an E2 --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 15:14, 5 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I don't understand, what actor profile are you talking about? There are no actors listed on the main page that use P229s, so if they are listed on actor pages either this is wrong or the film page is incomplete. As to what the pictured gun is, I think it is actually a P228, as if I brighten the hell out of the image I think I can just make out the traditional P228 slide, and the lack of a railed frame rules out the P229 E2. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:53, 5 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
When I said that, I meant that when you check the page of the actors that were in the film, it says SIG-Sauer P229 E2 | |||
:But the only character shown on the main page with the supposed P229 is a no-name secret service agent, so either the main page is incomplete or the actor page is wrong. I haven't seen this film, do other characters actually use either P228s or P229s? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:03, 5 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 23:03, 5 August 2014
Javelin
The cone on the back end of the tube isn't the right shape for a Javelin, not to mention a Javelin tube is much bigger around. It looks more like an AT4 to me. Spartan198 (talk) 19:08, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
- Definitely not a Javelin. Based on the way he's holding it though, maybe an RPG-7? --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:11, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
Funny how they use the RPG against the most heavily-armored threat, yet use a weapon designed to kill Main Battle Tanks against a lightly-armored aircraft. Talk about not doing proper research. Orca1 9904 (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
They also mention the javelin being an AA launcher,and anyway can an RPG take and abrams out so well , I mean I know it can take the threads of, but a frontal shot?--Iceman (talk) 13:35, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
Better question: How is he supposed to stand on the White House roof with an RPG and not get shot instantly? There's hundreds of armed soldiers, plus the tank, in view. Why doesn't he get shot?--Mandolin (talk) 13:29, 5 November 2013 (EST)
Broken APC9
What happened to that poor thing? Alex T Snow (talk) 16:20, 4 July 2013 (EDT)
Blackhawk
Is that burning MH-60 fitted with tiny Sidewinders? --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2013 (EST)
- ...Yes..the MH-60 has a bunch of Sidewinders for absolutely no reason. --Mandolin (talk) 17:43, 5 November 2013 (EST)
SIG P250
Anybody else think this looks more like a SIG-Sauer P250 than a SIG-Sauer P229R? --Mormonpowerranger521 2:21, 23 November 2013 (MST)
- Actually, yes. Particularly a P250 Compact. I just watched this film, I thought it was pretty okay. Olympus was better, though, but that just my opinion. --Warejaws (talk) 05:10, 23 November 2013 (EST)
- You are both right, so I've edited the page. I actually liked White House Down more than Olympus Has Fallen, I feel like the former was way more fun than the latter and had better production values. --Markit (talk) 23:26, 23 November 2013 (EST)
Nitpicks
Watching this movie for the first time, there was 2 things that I thought was a bit off in certain characters. One is the dressed Marines escorting the president to the bunker. He got his hands on an M16 or maybe in his guard duties, it was the weapon he was issued sure but why was it not at the ready? All the way to his death, he was carrying the rifle in a like he's marching with it and not you...at the ready, defending the president. It just bothered me a bit. If it wasn't loaded and he's carrying it to show off as a guard, then why is he still carrying it? The second thing is Agent Walker's personal sidearm a Beretta and it was a bit off to me as to why even an old agent would carry it unless he wanted a clean weapon to use during the attack but that didn't make any sense. Excalibur01 (talk) 00:23, 24 November 2013 (EST)
- All excellent points. As a person who has studied the Secret Service extensively, I found both White House Down and Olympus Has Fallen to be rather lacking in accuracy. Olympus Has Fallen had (for the most part) the correct weapons for the Secret Service, and had a lot more agents who actually fought back, but had poor special effects and CGI. Whereas 'White House Down had better sets and props, but inaccuracies in the weapons used and the offhanded ease with which the mercenaries mowed down the agents and officers seemed ridiculous. For the record, these are currently the actual weapons used by the Secret Service:
- SIG-Sauer P229 semi-automatic pistol, 12-round magazine, .357 SIG hollowpoint (standard sidearm for all agents and Uniformed Division officers)
- Remington Model 870 pump-action shotgun, 6 shells, 12-gauge 00 buckshot or steel slugs
- H&K MP5A3 submachine gun, 30-round magazines (dual magged), iron sites, 9mm hollowpoint
- FN P90 submachine gun, 50-round box magazine, EOTech holographic sites, 5.7x28 mm FMJ (favored by the Emergency Response Team)
- KAC SR-16 assault carbine, 30-round magazines (dual magged), ACOG scopes, 5.56x45mm NATO FMJ (favored by the Counter-Assault Team)
- Remington Model 700PSS bolt-action sniper rifle, 6 rounds, specially-modified Leupold scopes, .300 WinMag FMJ (Countersniper Support Unit)
- KAC SR-25 semi-automatic sniper rifle, 20-round box magazine, specially-modified Leupold scopes, 7.62x51mm NATO FMJ (Countersniper Support Unit)
- The one thing that bugs me more than anything is seeing an agent with an MP5K. The Secret Service has never used the "K", only the "-A3". It's only in movies and TV shows that agents are armed with the MP5K. --US Secret Service (talk) 13:21, 25 November 2013 (EST)
- A couple of things to add about that weapon list. Firstly, in every image I can find of Secret Service with P90s or SR-16s they are both fitted with Aimpoint CompM2s or CompM3s, rather than EOTechs or ACOGs. Secondly, the sniper rifles used are not Remington 700PSSs. Although built on a Remington long action they are custom built rifles with Schneider barrels in McMillan stocks. --commando552 (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2013 (EST)
- You're probably right...I'm not exactly a weapons expert...the scopes and attachments were just my best guess. I always assumed that the CS Unit carried Remington 700s, 'cause that was what they looked like to me (although I did note that the barrels of their custom rifles were silver, not black). I do know that they sometimes refer to them as "JAR"s for "just another rifle". --US Secret Service (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2013 (EST)
Another rifle to add...
I spotted a short barreled AR-15 of some sort (guessing Mk-18) held by one of the soldiers on the White House lawn during the ending / wrap up scene. Unfortunately I don't have the means to screencap it right now but for anyone who does, listen for the dialog cue: "Did you see my routine?" , "Yeah, I'm so proud of you. You were beautiful baby." and watch for one soldier walking behind Channing Tatum from left to right, and another standing in front of the wrecked helicopter. There could well be more of them lurking in some background scenes but those are the only ones I'm sure I saw. Happy Christmas all --S Stickie (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2013 (EST)
I spotted it, too. Unfortunately I don't have the movie to cap it, but it's there. Spartan198 (talk) 23:48, 22 March 2014 (EDT)
Standard P229 or P229 E2
Is it standard SIG-Sauer P229's that are used, or is it the more advanced E2? The discrepancy comes from the fact that the SIG shown in the screen caps seems to be a normal SIG P229, yet the actors profiles state its an E2 --Bauer2121 (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
- I don't understand, what actor profile are you talking about? There are no actors listed on the main page that use P229s, so if they are listed on actor pages either this is wrong or the film page is incomplete. As to what the pictured gun is, I think it is actually a P228, as if I brighten the hell out of the image I think I can just make out the traditional P228 slide, and the lack of a railed frame rules out the P229 E2. --commando552 (talk) 18:53, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
When I said that, I meant that when you check the page of the actors that were in the film, it says SIG-Sauer P229 E2
- But the only character shown on the main page with the supposed P229 is a no-name secret service agent, so either the main page is incomplete or the actor page is wrong. I haven't seen this film, do other characters actually use either P228s or P229s? --commando552 (talk) 19:03, 5 August 2014 (EDT)