Talk:The Fugitive (1993): Difference between revisions
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: - The stainless revolver looks like a S&W Model 686. The semiautos are kinda tough to make out. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:03, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
: - The stainless revolver looks like a S&W Model 686. The semiautos are kinda tough to make out. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 13:03, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
I think that the Remington M10, in fact, a certain Stevens. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 16:06, 28 October 2020 (EDT)
==Transit Cop's Revolver==
==Transit Cop's Revolver==
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[[Image:FugitiveLlamaComanche-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Kimble!"'' A Chicago police officer (Neil Flynn, better known as the Janitor in the TV series ''Scrubs'') aims his Llama Comanche at Kimble.]]
[[Image:FugitiveLlamaComanche-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|''"Kimble!"'' A Chicago police officer (Neil Flynn, better known as the Janitor in the TV series ''Scrubs'') aims his Llama Comanche at Kimble.]]
: I doubt that it's a Colt. While the Mk V Trooper did contain both a vented rib and ejector-rod shroud, it was only around a couple of years before being replaced by the King Cobra. In the other pic on the main page the gun also looks like it has a S&W style cylinder latch. So I have to disagree there about it being a Colt. A Llama seems correct, but whether it's a Martial or Comanche is beyond me right now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:36, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
: Possible, but I doubt that it's a Colt. While the Mk V Trooper did contain both a vented rib and ejector-rod shroud, it was only around a couple of years before being replaced by the King Cobra. I don't think it had a Colt style cylinder-latch either. A Llama seems more likely, but whether it's a Martial or Comanche is beyond me right now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:36, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
==The Glocks' calibers (Part 2)==
Years ago, when GunMaster45 worked on this page, I was the one who advised him that Gerard's Glock was likely a -17 rather than a -22. It's generally a safe assumption that any movie made in the early-90s will use a 9mm pistol rather than a .40-caliber equivalent (since most armorers hadn't figured out how to reliably adapt .40-caliber pistols at the time to fire blanks). However, now, I'm starting to doubt my own assumption: Bear in mind that on 2nd Generation Glocks, the easiest way to tell a 9mm version from a .40-caliber version is the presence of the second pin on the frame, which was added for retention of the locking block. (This difference doesn't exist on most 3rd Gen and all 4th Gen Glocks.) The locking block pin is clearly visible on the Glocks used in ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'':
[[Image:Glock 22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 22 2nd Generation - .40 S&W. Note that unlike the Glock 17 above, this weapon clearly has a second pin near the top of the frame behind the takedown lever.]]
[[Image:USM-G22-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce's Glock from ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'']]
[[Image:USM-G22-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gerard's Glock from ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'']]
However, in at least some scenes, it seems to be visible in ''[[The Fugitive]]'' as well:
In this image, it looks as though there is a locking block pin visible behind the takedown lever. So maybe this is a Glock 22 after all? Anyone have any better screencaps from this movie which show more detail on the frame so that we can confirm? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 09:37, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
: [[File:Fugit_433.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] <BR> If you look close here the second pin (just under the slide) looks to be visible in this image also, in which case I'd concur Gerard's gun in the film is in fact a G22. On that note, would that make this film be the first to feature the .40 cal Glocks? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 11:43, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
::I can’t really tell if the Glock has a locking block pin in that picture. It also doesn’t seem to have the pin in that image of Gerard cocking the gun behind his back. Also, Joe Pantoliano’s pistol clearly has no locking block pin, so it’s a G19 and not a G23.
::If Gerard’s gun is a G22, then as far as I can tell, yes, this is the first movie to feature a .40 S&W Glock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 12:28, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
:::So after all these years, I was finally able to confirm that the Glock carried by Gerard in this movie is indeed a G22 and not a G17: It was auctioned off by Heritage Auction House in 2018 (see [https://entertainment.ha.com/itm/movie-tv-memorabilia/tommy-lee-jones-samuel-gerard-glock-g22-pistol-from-the-fugitive/a/997049-2492.s here]). Not that it matters - the page was already updated based on the visual evidence discussed above. I'm adding the pics to the page now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 22:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Are we really 100% certain that the Glocks in this movie are .40 caliber variants? Perhaps it was mentioned somewhere (as it is in U.S. Marshals), but I don't remember. However, just because Gerard uses a Glock 22 in the sequel doesn't mean he uses the same gun in this movie. Furthermore, I'm looking at this picture:
The bore looks a bit too small to be a .40 cal, IMO. Really looks more to me like 9mm, which would make it a Glock 19.
I agree, that's why I had it listed as a Glock 19, the muzzle is too small. I'm changing it back, I hate when people change stuff with wrong info. -GM
Only question is...is Gerard's Glock a G22? I'm not sure we have enough proof to establish that it is. -MT2008 03:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps. It's entirely possible, but this movie was made before .40 cal became a very popular law enforcement caliber. I think, but don't quote me on this, that the FBI started issuing Glock .40s in the mid 90s (which led to most of the Justice Department, including the US Marshals, issuing Glock .40s) -Gunman69 19:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
That sucks for the Marshalls, they get stuck with a POS instead of a real gun-76.31.5.208 04:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
the second glock looks like a .40, just saw it. --FIVETWOSEVEN 01:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Guns used during the police raid on the drug dealer
I'm interested in knowing what the guns used by the Chicago Police Department SWAT team that arrests the drug dealer Kimble has decided to stay with are.
- The stainless revolver looks like a S&W Model 686. The semiautos are kinda tough to make out. StanTheMan (talk) 13:03, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
I think that the Remington M10, in fact, a certain Stevens. --Slon95 (talk) 16:06, 28 October 2020 (EDT)
Transit Cop's Revolver
It might also be a Colt Trooper, which was made with a ventilated rib barrel and ejector shroud. BTW: I think that the pic does not show a .357 magnum Llama Comanche, but a .38 special Llama "Martial" (these were released with "service" style grips, while most Comanches had "Target" grips.
Possible, but I doubt that it's a Colt. While the Mk V Trooper did contain both a vented rib and ejector-rod shroud, it was only around a couple of years before being replaced by the King Cobra. I don't think it had a Colt style cylinder-latch either. A Llama seems more likely, but whether it's a Martial or Comanche is beyond me right now. StanTheMan (talk) 17:36, 24 September 2013 (EDT)
The Glocks' calibers (Part 2)
Years ago, when GunMaster45 worked on this page, I was the one who advised him that Gerard's Glock was likely a -17 rather than a -22. It's generally a safe assumption that any movie made in the early-90s will use a 9mm pistol rather than a .40-caliber equivalent (since most armorers hadn't figured out how to reliably adapt .40-caliber pistols at the time to fire blanks). However, now, I'm starting to doubt my own assumption: Bear in mind that on 2nd Generation Glocks, the easiest way to tell a 9mm version from a .40-caliber version is the presence of the second pin on the frame, which was added for retention of the locking block. (This difference doesn't exist on most 3rd Gen and all 4th Gen Glocks.) The locking block pin is clearly visible on the Glocks used in U.S. Marshals:
In this image, it looks as though there is a locking block pin visible behind the takedown lever. So maybe this is a Glock 22 after all? Anyone have any better screencaps from this movie which show more detail on the frame so that we can confirm? -MT2008 (talk) 09:37, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
Error creating thumbnail: File missing If you look close here the second pin (just under the slide) looks to be visible in this image also, in which case I'd concur Gerard's gun in the film is in fact a G22. On that note, would that make this film be the first to feature the .40 cal Glocks? StanTheMan (talk) 11:43, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
I can’t really tell if the Glock has a locking block pin in that picture. It also doesn’t seem to have the pin in that image of Gerard cocking the gun behind his back. Also, Joe Pantoliano’s pistol clearly has no locking block pin, so it’s a G19 and not a G23.
If Gerard’s gun is a G22, then as far as I can tell, yes, this is the first movie to feature a .40 S&W Glock. -MT2008 (talk) 12:28, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
So after all these years, I was finally able to confirm that the Glock carried by Gerard in this movie is indeed a G22 and not a G17: It was auctioned off by Heritage Auction House in 2018 (see here). Not that it matters - the page was already updated based on the visual evidence discussed above. I'm adding the pics to the page now. -MT2008 (talk) 22:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
