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How many rounds are in the cylinder of this revolver? I can count at least eight when I look at still frames of this movie, but I suspect that the actual capacity of the cylinder is nine rounds. Since it has been established already that this firearm is not a [[Nagant_Revolver|Nagant Revolver]], which was never made for .22 caliber as best I can tell, then is it safe to also assume that this revolver ''does not have'' a gas sealing system similar to what is found on the Russian Nagant M1895? If so, then this would mean that this revolver is just like most others - they cannot be fitted with an effective improvised silencer, which would be contrary to what is depicted in the movie. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:30, 20 August 2013 (EDT) | How many rounds are in the cylinder of this revolver? I can count at least eight when I look at still frames of this movie, but I suspect that the actual capacity of the cylinder is nine rounds. Since it has been established already that this firearm is not a [[Nagant_Revolver|Nagant Revolver]], which was never made for .22 caliber as best I can tell, then is it safe to also assume that this revolver ''does not have'' a gas sealing system similar to what is found on the Russian Nagant M1895? If so, then this would mean that this revolver is just like most others - they cannot be fitted with an effective improvised silencer, which would be contrary to what is depicted in the movie. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 13:30, 20 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
:According to movie makers, the revolver is nine-shot. It was borrowed from the museum of the ''Ugolovny Rozisk'' (Russian criminal police). Of course, such revolver cannot be effectively suppressed, though the sound of firing .22 itself is quiet. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:09, 20 August 2013 (EDT) | :According to movie makers, the revolver is nine-shot. It was borrowed from the museum of the ''Ugolovny Rozisk'' (Russian criminal police). Of course, such revolver cannot be effectively suppressed, though the sound of firing .22 itself is quiet. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:09, 20 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
::In this movie, I see what appear to be .22LR cartridges being loaded into this revolver. I noticed that these .22LR cartridges appear to have the capital letter "A" stamped upon their bases. (Or, maybe it is a capital letter "V"?) If it is in fact an "A" on these .22LR cartridges, I believe that this "A" might stand for the brand name of Aguila, which is made in Mexico. I know from personal experience that Aguila does make subsonic .22LR ammunition, but I also know from personal experience that subsonic .22LR ammunition is not really that much quieter than standard velocity and high velocity .22LR cartridges. The difference between them is only about 20 decibels at the most in my estimation. I would also estimate that subsonic .22LR ammunition fired from this .22 revolver that we see in the movie, without the protagonist's homemade silencer that is, would still be louder than 100 decibels. For a silencer to be considered effective in my view, it would have to reduce the decibel level to below 70 decibels or more. Given that this .22 revolver does not have a Nagant-style gas seal mechanism, I feel that the effectiveness of the homemade silencer as depicted in this movie is quite unrealistic. If I had been a technical adviser to the makers of this movie, I would have suggested that the script have the protagonist acquire an actual Nagant revolver, and then make a silencer for it, or have the protagonist make his own gun from spare parts, along with a silencer for it. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | ::In this movie, I see what appear to be .22LR cartridges being loaded into this revolver. I noticed that these .22LR cartridges appear to have the capital letter "A" stamped upon their bases. (Or, maybe it is a capital letter "V"?) If it is in fact an "A" on these .22LR cartridges, I believe that this "A" might stand for the brand name of Aguila, which is made in Mexico. I know from personal experience that Aguila does make subsonic .22LR ammunition, but I also know from personal experience that subsonic .22LR ammunition is not really that much quieter than standard velocity and high velocity .22LR cartridges. The difference between them is only about 20 decibels at the most in my estimation. I would also estimate that subsonic .22LR ammunition fired from this .22 revolver that we see in the movie, without the protagonist's homemade silencer that is, would still be louder than 100 decibels. The sound of a gunshot at 100 or more decibels is still relatively loud - enough for most people in the vicinity to notice. For a silencer to be considered effective in my view, it would have to reduce the decibel level to below 70 decibels or more. Given that this .22 revolver does not have a Nagant-style gas seal mechanism, I feel that the effectiveness of the homemade silencer as depicted in this movie is quite unrealistic. If I had been a technical adviser to the makers of this movie, I would have suggested that the script have the protagonist acquire an actual Nagant revolver, and then make a silencer for it, or have the protagonist make his own gun from spare parts, along with a silencer for it. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 11:10, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | ||
:::I know from personal experience that Aguila also makes .22LR ammo that doesn't have powder at all, using only the primer to propel the round. They won't cycle in an automatic, but should work in a revolver. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:59, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::::I am aware that Aguila makes powder-less, primer-propelled .22LR cartridges, but I think that the bullet on these cartridges is also longer and heavier (60 grains) than most other .22LR bullets. As for how much quieter they are than other subsonic .22LR cartridges, I don't really know, since I never tried firing them. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 16:01, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::The letter is "V" (for "Vostok") - the standard marking of Soviet-produced sporting .22 cartridges. And there is a lot of movies where sound suppressors are used with various revolvers: Colt, S&W, Webley... It makes little sense to look for reasons why the movie makers are so careless. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 14:19, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::::While I don't know much about movies made in Russia, I can say that in recent years, American movie and TV show makers seem to have stopped depicting the usage of silencers on revolvers as being just as effective as with other types of guns. At least they are not doing so today like they did back in the 1960's. I cannot say for certain why this seems to be the case now. It might simply be because semi-automatic pistols are much more popular today in real-life America and elsewhere than in the past. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] ([[User talk:Kepiblanc|talk]]) 16:01, 8 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
It seems to me that the SMG is not factory-made, but the another handicraft gun. This is a kind of MAC-10 clone, probably feeding from [[MP40]] magazines. -[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 11:29, 19 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
:It's very possible. I remember that the homemade guns in ''Brat'' were discussed on talk.guns.ru but I cannot find this just now. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:11, 19 August 2017 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 16:11, 19 August 2017
Fixing the messed up formatting
This is by far one of the most messed up pages regarding Formatting I've ever seen. I'm fixing it now. To the creators. Try looking at all the other IMFDB pages before you build a page. You can't just create a new formatting style and run with it. MoviePropMaster2008 02:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Nagant in film is kurz version?
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Metro-nagan102136.jpg
No, it's not. It's not even a Nagant.--Alek The Russian 15:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I'm just never heard before about this "handmade".
This is not $600, this is $2600
I'm russian, so I know russian language. And I have original russian-sounded VHS cassette "Брат". In it, I've heard: "Вот тебе ствол с обоймой. Две тыщи шестьсот (2600). Сочтёмся потом." 92.252.222.232 10:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It is still 600 bucks
In the film it is told not "2600", but "it is 600 more". 600 dollars more to that sum that Victor has already given to Danila (to buy some new threads and to rent a room). Otherwise what sense to him was to offer Danila $2000 for murder of Chechen ("I better give the money to you. 2000 bucks.") if the pistol costed more expensive than the contract? If you till do not trust, here the reference to a site where was done subtitles for "Brother" (http://notabenoid.com/book/1406/5484/? page=3). Find there this phrase.--Alek The Russian 20:18, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hey Alek. Sign your posts, please man.--Oliveira 20:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- now that you have posted the information in English, i have deleted the cyrillic. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 00:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks, now I see it's true about "it is 600 more". But, about "pistol costed more expensive than the contract", I think $2000 is advance, isn't it? 92.252.222.232 17:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
As we remember, Round (Круглый) should have pay to Victor 20 grands for murder of Chechen. But Victor was the tricky person, even in regard to his own brother. From the very beginning Victor lied to Danila, about the sort of his work and about why Chechen should be killed. So I think that it will be correct to believe that Victor also decided to deceive Danila about the real price for such sort of work as Chechen's murder. Victor has told to Danila that Chechen ostensibly extort money from Victor, but Victor does not wish to pay him and will better give money to Danila. Victor has decided to play on simplicity and provinciality of his brother, for whom in his opinion 2000 dollars is a very big sum of money.
By the way, many of other people did the same mistake as Victor, taking Danila for patsy, that actually was proved to be falsehood. Danila was just a shrewd man (cебе на уме).--Alek The Russian 21:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Cyrillic paragraphs will be deleted
FYI, foreign language text is not allowed at IMFDB. Sorry. I understand the previous quote in Russian for the sake of clarifying a specific quote from the film. But no full COMMENTARY in a foreign language. For the majority of our english speaking and reading members, if they do not have cyrillic loaded on their computers it looks like gibberish characters. If anyone needs to communicate with each other on IMFDB, do it in English. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 19:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Is this movie available on DVD anywhere?
- I liked this movie alot. It was much better than I expected and I would now like to own it, so does anyone have a clue where I could order it from? I don't feel like asking my friend to look for it next time he goes to Moscow like I usually do.-S&Wshooter 03:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's listed on Amazon for $14.--Predator20 04:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks-S&Wshooter 14:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Hand-made Revolver Questions
How many rounds are in the cylinder of this revolver? I can count at least eight when I look at still frames of this movie, but I suspect that the actual capacity of the cylinder is nine rounds. Since it has been established already that this firearm is not a Nagant Revolver, which was never made for .22 caliber as best I can tell, then is it safe to also assume that this revolver does not have a gas sealing system similar to what is found on the Russian Nagant M1895? If so, then this would mean that this revolver is just like most others - they cannot be fitted with an effective improvised silencer, which would be contrary to what is depicted in the movie. Kepiblanc (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
- According to movie makers, the revolver is nine-shot. It was borrowed from the museum of the Ugolovny Rozisk (Russian criminal police). Of course, such revolver cannot be effectively suppressed, though the sound of firing .22 itself is quiet. Greg-Z (talk) 14:09, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
- In this movie, I see what appear to be .22LR cartridges being loaded into this revolver. I noticed that these .22LR cartridges appear to have the capital letter "A" stamped upon their bases. (Or, maybe it is a capital letter "V"?) If it is in fact an "A" on these .22LR cartridges, I believe that this "A" might stand for the brand name of Aguila, which is made in Mexico. I know from personal experience that Aguila does make subsonic .22LR ammunition, but I also know from personal experience that subsonic .22LR ammunition is not really that much quieter than standard velocity and high velocity .22LR cartridges. The difference between them is only about 20 decibels at the most in my estimation. I would also estimate that subsonic .22LR ammunition fired from this .22 revolver that we see in the movie, without the protagonist's homemade silencer that is, would still be louder than 100 decibels. The sound of a gunshot at 100 or more decibels is still relatively loud - enough for most people in the vicinity to notice. For a silencer to be considered effective in my view, it would have to reduce the decibel level to below 70 decibels or more. Given that this .22 revolver does not have a Nagant-style gas seal mechanism, I feel that the effectiveness of the homemade silencer as depicted in this movie is quite unrealistic. If I had been a technical adviser to the makers of this movie, I would have suggested that the script have the protagonist acquire an actual Nagant revolver, and then make a silencer for it, or have the protagonist make his own gun from spare parts, along with a silencer for it. Kepiblanc (talk) 11:10, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- I know from personal experience that Aguila also makes .22LR ammo that doesn't have powder at all, using only the primer to propel the round. They won't cycle in an automatic, but should work in a revolver. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:59, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- I am aware that Aguila makes powder-less, primer-propelled .22LR cartridges, but I think that the bullet on these cartridges is also longer and heavier (60 grains) than most other .22LR bullets. As for how much quieter they are than other subsonic .22LR cartridges, I don't really know, since I never tried firing them. Kepiblanc (talk) 16:01, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- The letter is "V" (for "Vostok") - the standard marking of Soviet-produced sporting .22 cartridges. And there is a lot of movies where sound suppressors are used with various revolvers: Colt, S&W, Webley... It makes little sense to look for reasons why the movie makers are so careless. Greg-Z (talk) 14:19, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- While I don't know much about movies made in Russia, I can say that in recent years, American movie and TV show makers seem to have stopped depicting the usage of silencers on revolvers as being just as effective as with other types of guns. At least they are not doing so today like they did back in the 1960's. I cannot say for certain why this seems to be the case now. It might simply be because semi-automatic pistols are much more popular today in real-life America and elsewhere than in the past. Kepiblanc (talk) 16:01, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- I know from personal experience that Aguila also makes .22LR ammo that doesn't have powder at all, using only the primer to propel the round. They won't cycle in an automatic, but should work in a revolver. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:59, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
- In this movie, I see what appear to be .22LR cartridges being loaded into this revolver. I noticed that these .22LR cartridges appear to have the capital letter "A" stamped upon their bases. (Or, maybe it is a capital letter "V"?) If it is in fact an "A" on these .22LR cartridges, I believe that this "A" might stand for the brand name of Aguila, which is made in Mexico. I know from personal experience that Aguila does make subsonic .22LR ammunition, but I also know from personal experience that subsonic .22LR ammunition is not really that much quieter than standard velocity and high velocity .22LR cartridges. The difference between them is only about 20 decibels at the most in my estimation. I would also estimate that subsonic .22LR ammunition fired from this .22 revolver that we see in the movie, without the protagonist's homemade silencer that is, would still be louder than 100 decibels. The sound of a gunshot at 100 or more decibels is still relatively loud - enough for most people in the vicinity to notice. For a silencer to be considered effective in my view, it would have to reduce the decibel level to below 70 decibels or more. Given that this .22 revolver does not have a Nagant-style gas seal mechanism, I feel that the effectiveness of the homemade silencer as depicted in this movie is quite unrealistic. If I had been a technical adviser to the makers of this movie, I would have suggested that the script have the protagonist acquire an actual Nagant revolver, and then make a silencer for it, or have the protagonist make his own gun from spare parts, along with a silencer for it. Kepiblanc (talk) 11:10, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
It seems to me that the SMG is not factory-made, but the another handicraft gun. This is a kind of MAC-10 clone, probably feeding from MP40 magazines. -Slon95 (talk) 11:29, 19 August 2017 (EDT)