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I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/ | I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/ | ||
:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg | :http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
:I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:: Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
::: Second thought, I think it is. I'm marking it as so on the main page until the DVD/Blu-ray comes out to show otherwise.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.[[User:Korium9|Korium9]] ([[User talk:Korium9|talk]]) | |||
: Yeah, probably a 97. "It's only a flesh wound" '''''BOOM''''' --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:: I haven't seen this film, ''YET'', but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
::: Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
: Yeah, I called it 10 days ago. Good eye though.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[File:KAC ChainSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Uploaded two years ago.]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
=Moved from main page= | |||
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here. | |||
:I'm monitoring the auction site, but apparently this is in the film. It's described in the auction as "ELYSIUM SIR JOHN CARLYLE WILLIAM FICHTNER SCREEN USED WETA SHUTTLE PROP DEVICE", so I'm guessing it's in the heist scene, but it's probably hanging somewhere in the background. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
==Unknown Machine gun== | |||
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matt Damon holding a prop behind the scenes.]] | |||
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
:Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vD4U5h2EtCs/TZrK-Tfoc2I/AAAAAAAAAZI/TNZ4aU1QFyA/s1600/heavy_anvil.jpg earlier pieces]. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of [[Denel_PAW-20|PAW-20]] which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
::My guess it's the manportable version of the Asgari Chemrail gun before they decided to make it more rifle-like, as seen in the finished product. The muzzle matches both the Raven-mounted side gun version and the later rifle version. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
I was going through some stills from the film, and apparently this gun does make an appearance in the film. It's in the armory scene in the weapons rack. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:58, 25 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Elysium_-_Armory_Shot.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Off to the far right, you can see the dismounted door gun, the Cousar Crowe carbines, and, of course, Max carrying the Chemrail rifle]] | |||
==aZMD AKM== | |||
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long. | |||
:::Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
==Taser Carbine== | |||
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes. | |||
[[Image:Elysium_Taser_Carbine.JPG|thumb|none|600px|SMG Dummy Taser]] | |||
:Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
==Weapons sites== | |||
Sources for weapons specifications. | |||
http://www.civilcooperationbureau.com/weapons-vehicles/ | |||
http://www.wetanz.com/tst-chemrail-dual-stage-linear-motor-rifle-prop-replica/ | |||
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
Since we're bringing up that, these also popped up on the Elysium auction. They claimed their screen used but I can not recall what scenes they're in. The first is a gold-painted pistol supposedly used by John Carlyle and the other is an olive-drab Chemrail rifle, covered with camo tape, that was supposedly used by Drake (Brandon Auret). Of interesting note, the auction mentions that Drake's rifle is a functional prop, with a battery-operated sight display and reciprocating barrel, so that means it had to have been used on screen (or cut footage) at some point.--[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 23:17, 25 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Elysium_-_Carlyle_Pistol.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
[[Image:14765628.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
:I literally just came out of the theater, and yes, Drake used that ChemRail in the film. You can see a nice close-up of it at one point. Altough, Carlyle didn't use weaponry of any kind. Then again, he is a character actor, so it is possible he kept it on him, just to "keep it real". --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 07:56, 18 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgunammo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close-up of a remote-detonated shotgun round. The Russian '''''12 го калибр 3 фитиль 97 и 923 667''''' seems to translate to '''"12 gauge 3 fuse 97 and 923-667"''' or something like that, according to Google Translate.]] | |||
I just watched the behind the scenes features on the I-tunes download. The guns fire something. I don't think they are flashcap guns, they are full auto, and smoke comes from the barrels. No muzzle flash though. They have a crazy high rate of fire, whatever they are setting off inside the guns, compressed air, whatever it is, it looked pretty cool even without the muzzle flash.--[[User:James3|James3]] ([[User talk:James3|talk]]) 21:23, 8 December 2013 (EST) | |||
==Airsoft Beretta and Zoraki 925== | |||
[[Image:Elysium-92FS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Spyder's men points a Beretta at Julio.]] | |||
This looks like a airsoft copy. Note the back of the slide, which is much more angular than an actual Beretta. The second one pictured may be the real deal or a phony - the extractor there is suspect, but otherwise, I can't tell. | |||
[[Image:Elysium2013unknownpistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the futuristic pistols displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]] | |||
This looks like a dressed-up Zoraki 925. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] ([[User talk:Clutch|talk]]) 19:57, 19 December 2013 (EST) | |||
Nope. The Zoraki has a very sharp nearly 90 degree grip angle, and it has an ejection port on it, and they are smaller than these. These probably held revolvers inside them. They were shells. Granted, the Zoraki 925 is just a shell around a Zoraki 914, but these were made for the production. The shells, and the solid rubber stunt copies were auctioned off after the movie wrapped. I came very close to buying one of the pistol shells in an auction.--[[User:James3|James3]] ([[User talk:James3|talk]]) 03:52, 4 January 2014 (EST) | |||
[[Image:14504208.jpg|thumb|none|500px]] | |||
==Ekol Firat Magnum== | |||
I lightened the image drastically to show the details. The ejector and screw head in the safety are giveaways that this is an Ekol replica.--[[User:James3|James3]] ([[User talk:James3|talk]]) 04:05, 4 January 2014 (EST) | |||
[[Image:Elysium-ekol92.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
==Vector R4== | |||
I don't think it's the R4, the barrel's too short. It's the R5 or 6, not sure since the muzzle break looks aftermaket.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:28, 4 January 2014 (EST) | |||
== Finishing the page == | |||
I have begun to complete this page. Some HD screencaps already here will be replaced with clearer/higher resolution caps. Bear with me. --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 14:04, 18 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 06:33, 25 May 2020
The second gun looks like CGI, which it probably is, the third just looks like a prop, looks a bit like scar, but the magazine seems a bit far and I see no reason why they would put a gun underneath the shell if the magazine is not there, besides it doesn't shoot bullets so no point in a working gun.
The last gun in the unknown 1 section looks a bit like a TDI Vector, but I could just be imagining angles. I would assume the Chemrail is a prop built for the movie and doesn't really function, but then again stranger things have happened (the shockingly functional Zorg Pod weapon from the Fifth Element). -Jerkyman45
- Is the ChemRail a DSR50 or based off of it? It kinda looks like there's a spare magazine in the frame of the stock. --DeltaOne (talk) 07:31, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/
- http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpgMandolin (talk) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
- I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --Blitzen (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
- Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --Mandolin (talk) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.Korium9 (talk)
- I haven't seen this film, YET, but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --Warejaws (talk) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
- Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--Mandolin (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
- I haven't seen this film, YET, but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --Warejaws (talk) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --Iceman (talk) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
--Funkychinaman (talk) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
Moved from main page
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here.
- I'm monitoring the auction site, but apparently this is in the film. It's described in the auction as "ELYSIUM SIR JOHN CARLYLE WILLIAM FICHTNER SCREEN USED WETA SHUTTLE PROP DEVICE", so I'm guessing it's in the heist scene, but it's probably hanging somewhere in the background. --Blitzen (talk) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
Unknown Machine gun
- Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's earlier pieces. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of PAW-20 which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
- Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --Blitzen (talk) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
I was going through some stills from the film, and apparently this gun does make an appearance in the film. It's in the armory scene in the weapons rack. --Blitzen (talk) 22:58, 25 August 2013 (EDT)
aZMD AKM
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --Blitzen (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
- As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --BeloglaviSup (talk) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT)
- Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long.
Taser Carbine
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes.
Weapons sites
Sources for weapons specifications. http://www.civilcooperationbureau.com/weapons-vehicles/ http://www.wetanz.com/tst-chemrail-dual-stage-linear-motor-rifle-prop-replica/ --Mandolin (talk) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (EDT)
Since we're bringing up that, these also popped up on the Elysium auction. They claimed their screen used but I can not recall what scenes they're in. The first is a gold-painted pistol supposedly used by John Carlyle and the other is an olive-drab Chemrail rifle, covered with camo tape, that was supposedly used by Drake (Brandon Auret). Of interesting note, the auction mentions that Drake's rifle is a functional prop, with a battery-operated sight display and reciprocating barrel, so that means it had to have been used on screen (or cut footage) at some point.--Blitzen (talk) 23:17, 25 August 2013 (EDT)
- I literally just came out of the theater, and yes, Drake used that ChemRail in the film. You can see a nice close-up of it at one point. Altough, Carlyle didn't use weaponry of any kind. Then again, he is a character actor, so it is possible he kept it on him, just to "keep it real". --Warejaws (talk) 07:56, 18 September 2013 (EDT)
I just watched the behind the scenes features on the I-tunes download. The guns fire something. I don't think they are flashcap guns, they are full auto, and smoke comes from the barrels. No muzzle flash though. They have a crazy high rate of fire, whatever they are setting off inside the guns, compressed air, whatever it is, it looked pretty cool even without the muzzle flash.--James3 (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2013 (EST)
Airsoft Beretta and Zoraki 925
This looks like a airsoft copy. Note the back of the slide, which is much more angular than an actual Beretta. The second one pictured may be the real deal or a phony - the extractor there is suspect, but otherwise, I can't tell.
This looks like a dressed-up Zoraki 925. --Clutch (talk) 19:57, 19 December 2013 (EST)
Nope. The Zoraki has a very sharp nearly 90 degree grip angle, and it has an ejection port on it, and they are smaller than these. These probably held revolvers inside them. They were shells. Granted, the Zoraki 925 is just a shell around a Zoraki 914, but these were made for the production. The shells, and the solid rubber stunt copies were auctioned off after the movie wrapped. I came very close to buying one of the pistol shells in an auction.--James3 (talk) 03:52, 4 January 2014 (EST)
Ekol Firat Magnum
I lightened the image drastically to show the details. The ejector and screw head in the safety are giveaways that this is an Ekol replica.--James3 (talk) 04:05, 4 January 2014 (EST)
Vector R4
I don't think it's the R4, the barrel's too short. It's the R5 or 6, not sure since the muzzle break looks aftermaket.--Mandolin (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2014 (EST)
Finishing the page
I have begun to complete this page. Some HD screencaps already here will be replaced with clearer/higher resolution caps. Bear with me. --LordOfTheLocusts (talk) 14:04, 18 March 2015 (EDT)