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== Starbuck's "sniper" rifle in episode 3 ==
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Battlestar Galactica'' (2004-2009)]]


''Battlestar Galactica'' is the "reboot" of the 1978 ABC sci-fi television series that aired on the Sci-Fi Channel from 2004-2009. Unlike the original series, the majority of the weapons used are authentic weapons visually modified for the production.
In episode three (Bastille Day), Starbuck goes with the marine strike team because of some ridiculous reason. Anyway, she is not using a P-90 like the rest of the marines. She appears to have a rifle that I have been unable to identify, due to there being no clear shots. There are only two clues: first, when she boards the raptor to go to the Astral Queen, the rifle is slung on her back, and you get a brief glimpse of the back of the butt. Later, when she failed to kill Tom Zarek with her shot, you see the underside of the front of the rifle. Interestingly, it almost appears to use the same flash hider as the Cx4's used in the late reasons. But I still cannot identify this rifle. Thoughts?--[[User:Fidget|Fidget]] ([[User talk:Fidget|talk]]) 05:10, 16 October 2016 (EDT)


'''The following weapons were used in the reboot of the series ''Battlestar Galactica'':'''
== Is the futuristic pistol really a 686? It looks a LOT more like a Colt Python. ==


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[[Image:Oldpistolv2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Futuristic Pistol]]
 
[[Image:ColtPythonStdBarrel.jpg|thumb|500px|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 1 - Colt Python]]
 
[[Image:800px-SW686.jpg|thumb|none|500px|REFERENCE IMAGE 2 - S&W 686]]
 
[[Image:Pythstainless6.jpg|thumb|500px|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 3 - Colt Python (2)]]
=Pistols=
[[Image:CombatPython.jpg|thumb|500px|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 4 - Colt Python (3)]]
 
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|500px|thumb|none|REFERENCE IMAGE 5 - S&W 586]]
== Colonial Handgun (Smith & Wesson Model 686) ==
I'd like to compare certain parts of the visible trigger guard as well as the frame above it.
 
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A heavily modified [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] L-Frame revolver is portrayed as the standard Colonial sidearm in both the ''Battlestar Galactica'' mini-series and the first season. Among other features the weapon has an under barrel explosive launcher (like the old LeMat "grapeshot" barrel,) although the explosive launcher was never used onscreen. The Miniseries version had hardly any real functionality and was redesigned almost from scratch for Season 1 when scripts required more specific actions with the guns. After that it was redesigned again and, starting with the early second season, the original sidearms have been nearly completely replaced by the FN Five-seveN. These guns were inconvenient as they had to be disassembled before they could be reloaded. They later returned during the flashback scenes in "Razor."
*First off, the hump right above the trigger. That is clearly visible on the Python (1) as well as the futuristic pistol. The 686 DOES NOT have a hump.  
 
*Second, the frame screw and seam. Both, again, are clearly visible on the Python (2) as well as the futuristic gun but not on the 686.
The gun appears to have been intentionally designed to resemble the gun used by Rick Deckard in [[Blade Runner#LAPD 2019 blaster|Blade Runner]] (probably to emphasize the realistic tone of this series, as opposed to a "future show with laser-guns").  It also notable that series star [[Edward James Olmos]] also played the mysterious police officer Gaff in ''Blade Runner''.
*Third, the trigger. The trigger of the futuristic pistol is very similar in shape - note the flat cut before the trigger curve - to the trigger of a Colt Python (2) than the 686.  
 
*Fourth, the frame curve. The curve behind the cylinder where the hammer normally is visible, on the futuristic pistol, shallows out and ends in a rounded hump. Comparing the frame curve of the 686, it does shallow out, BUT the end of the frame is sharper and angular compared to the futuristic revolver. If we take a look at a Python (3) the curve matches exactly to the one in the futuristic pistol.
[[Image:Oldpistolv1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seen in use in the mini-series]]
*Fifth, and last, the logo. If you look at the 686, the S&W logo is right next to the edge of the grip. However, taking a look at the Futuristic revolver, no logo is seen - where did it go if it was a 686?  If you take a look at the Python (3), although, the Colt "Bucking Horse" logo is placed very close to the cylinder and cylinder latch - where it can be and it is covered up by shell.
[[Image:Oldpistolv2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seen used in season 1]]
*Oh, also, the S&W 686 is only available in a stainless finish. However, even if you compare the blued 586 (which I have included above), the same reasons still apply.
[[Image:BSG 3103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii ([[Grace Park]]) holds the Colonial Handgun in the miniseries.]]
<br/> I rest my case. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
[[Image:BSG 1106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Capt. Lee "Apollo" Adama ([[Jamie Bamber]]) pulls the handgun on Col. Tigh in Season 1's "Kobol's Last Gleaming".]]
<br/>P.S. It can be noted, however, that it necessarily isn't a Colt Python - to that I say that it IS a Colt manufactured revolver, and NOT a Smith & Wesson one.
[[Image:OldPistol_Resistance.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the handgun pulled by Helo in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
:You have made one big assumption in that reasoning, and that is that you are basing it off of that gun image rather than looking at the screen used guns. I'm not 100% but I believe that that image is a prop replica made by Matsuo which uses a Colt Python as a base. If you look at screenshots of the guns from both season 1 and the miniseries, you will see that they do not match the shape of the Python (or any other Colt revolver) but do match the 586 or 686. You are right that the 686 is only stainless, however the whole gun could have just been painted once it was assembled (in order to give the whole thing a consistent finish), or the whole thing could be a resin casting made from a 686. Compare [http://www.weaponreplica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BATTLESTAR-GALACTICA-Season-1-Blaster.jpg this] image of the gun used on screen to that of the replica and you will see that they are different. It is widely known in the replica prop making world that basing these guns off of Pythons is wrong, but people still seem to do it because they prefer the look. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:55, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
 
:: Lol, I just wanna add that I think you could have done just one comparo set of images - that is, one 686 and one Python and that would have done (just a notation about the blued vs stainless would have been enough there). That said, I would agree that - solely in regards to that above gun image - you are right that it appears a Colt wheelgun due to the profile of the rear frame, lower frame-trigger guard and trigger itself. However it doesn't match with the guns in the screenshots, which C552 goes over nicely. I agree with him that it is ultimately more likely a prop piece entirely, and NOT with a Colt as the base there. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:33, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
== Colonial Standard Military Sidearm (FN FiveseveN) ==
::: Hah, ok. Didn't notice the screen gun wasn't the same as the prop gun :P. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 17:41, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
From Season 2 to the end, this weapon became the standard ''Colonial Military'' sidearm.  It is a slightly modified original-run [[FN FiveseveN]]. It keeps the underbarrel explosive launcher. This changeover allows for real semi-automatic fire and makes use of the existing stores of 5.7 x 28mm blank ammunition. The explosive launcher was muzzle loaded, and was featured in the second season episode "Valley of Darkness," but not prominently afterward.
 
[[Image:BSG_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BSGFN57d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Fragged" (S2E03), Chief Galen Tyrol ([[Aaron Douglas]]) is seen with redesigned Colonial Sidearm.]]
[[Image:BSGFN57.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGFN57a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[Image:BSGFN57c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Col. Saul Tigh ([[Michael Hogan]]) holds the Colonial sidearm on Narcho.]]
[[Image:BSG 3123.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In "Razor", Adm. Helena Cain ([[Michelle Forbes]]) points the handgun at her executive officer.]]
 
== Stallion (COP 357 Derringer) ==
 
Referred by Chief Tyrol as the "Stallion", this 4 shot .357 Magnum is in reality a [[COP 357 Derringer]]. Seen pulled by both "Caprica" Sharon ([[Grace Park]]) and Meier ([[James Remar]]) in Season 2's "Home, Part 2" (S2E07).  Romo Lampkin ([[Mark Sheppard]]) also threatens Lee Adama with one in Season 4's "Sine Qua Non" (S4E08).
[[Image:N-copb.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:BSGStallion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Caprica" Sharon ([[Grace Park]]) holds the Derringer on Cmdr. Adama in Season 2's "Home, Part 2" (S2E07).]]
[[Image:BSGStallion2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of Sharon handing over the Derringer.]]
[[Image:BSG 1103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romo Lampkin ([[Mark Sheppard]]) threatens Lee Adama with the Derringer in Season 4's "Sine Qua Non" (S4E08).]]
 
== Heckler & Koch Mark 23 Mod 0 ==
 
The [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0]] fitted with a Phase II LAM is one of the two weapons Samuel Anders ([[Michael Trucco]]) is seen handling while on Caprica.
 
[[Image:Mk23.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch Mark 23 Mod 0 - .45 ACP]]
 
[[Image:Ander'sMk23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In addition to his UMP in his left hand, Sam Anders ([[Michael Trucco]]) is seen pulling a H&K Mark 23 handgun fitted with a Phase II LAM in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
 
== Vektor CP1 ==
 
Cropping up now and again is the South African [[Vektor CP1]].  The handgun is mostly seen in the hands of non-military personnel, although they appear to be issued to the security detail of President Laura Roslin ([[Mary McDonnell]]). Lee Adama ([[Jamie Bamber]]) also is seen holding one on Phelan ([[Bill Duke]]) in Season 2's "Black Market."
 
[[Image:VectorCP1PistolOtherSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Vektor CP1 - 9x19mm]] 
 
[[Image:VektorCP1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BSGCP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Members of President Roslin's security detail pull their Vecktor CP1 handguns in Season 1's "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part 2" (S1E15).]]
[[Image:BSG 4103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee Adama ([[Jamie Bamber]]) holds the Vektor on Phelan ([[Bill Duke]]) in Season 2's "Black Market."
]]
[[Image:BSG 3102.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Felix Gaeta pulls the Vektor in Season 3.]]
 
== Intratec CAT 9 ==
An [[Intratec CAT 9]] is seen in the hands of one of Sesha Abinell's ([[Dana Delany]]) allies in the Cloud Nine Lounge in the Season 2.5 episode "Sacrifice". 
[[Image:Intratec_Cat_9.jpg‎|none|thumb|300px]]
[[Image:BSGGlock26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== Makarov PM ==
 
A [[Makarov PM]] is used by Sesha Abinell's ([[Dana Delany]]) during the siege of ''Cloud 9''.
 
 
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:bsgMakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:bsgMakarovPM1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:bsgMakarovPM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== CZ 52 ==
 
A [[CZ 52]] is used by one of the terrorists during the siege of ''Cloud 9''. A Number 5 also holds one to President Baltar's head in "Precipice" to force Baltar to sign death warrants. He uses it to shoot a Number Six to demonstrate his resolve.
[[Image:Cz52.jpg|thumb|none|400px|CZ 52 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:bsgAPS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:bsgAPS2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:bsgAPS3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== Desert Eagle ==
 
A [[Desert Eagle]] is also one of the sidearms carried in the series by Anders. In Season 2's "Downloaded", he briefly loses it after blowing up a Cylon-occupied building on Caprica when ''D'anna'' ([[Lucy Lawless]]), a Number 3, seizes it and threatens to kill him before being beaten to death by Number 8.  The weapon is nickel plated and is sometimes replaced with non-gun version.
[[Image:Ng pistol DE PN.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Non Gun" Desert Eagle]]
[[Image:DesertEagleMarkVIInickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Desert Eagle MK VII - .357 Magnum w/ nickel finish.]]
[[Image:bsgDesertEagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|D'anna takes the Desert Eagle from Anders in "Downloaded".  This appears to be the non-gun version.]]
[[Image:bsgDesertEagle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|D'anna ([[Lucy Lawless]]) holds the Desert Eagle as she struggles with Sharon.  Also appears to be the non-gun.]]
 
=Submachine guns=
 
== FN P90 ==
For the mini-series and Season 1, the [[FN P90]] was the main assault weapon of the Colonial Marines aboard the ''Galactica''.  The attachments for the weapons (flashlight, red dot sight) are somewhat the norm for the "real world" the only difference being the attachment of a suppressor which seems to be more for dramatic effect than anything else, though may have been used to disguise the use of PS90 semi-automatic civilian models. In later seasons, the Beretta Cx4 Storm would replace this SMG, most likely due to the P90's prominent use in the series  ''[[Stargate SG-1]]''.  However, the P90 would still be used (in a more minor role) throughout the run of the series.
 
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:FNP90a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Colonial rescue team led by Starbuck is seen armed with the FN P90 in Season 1's "Bastille Day".]]
[[Image:FNP90b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:FNP90c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Colonial Marine armed with the P90 in "Bastille Day".]]
 
== Heckler & Koch MP7A1 ==
Another weapon used by the Colonials is the [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]].  The major addition to the weapon itself is an ELCAN optical sight rather than a red dot or basic iron sights.
 
[[Image:Hk_mp7_b-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGMP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGMP7a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGMP7b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGMP7c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSG4 402.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
 
== Heckler & Koch UMP ==
The [[Heckler & Koch UMP]] is seen in the hands of Sam Anders as well as some of the Colonial Marines guarding the ''Pegasus''.  The UMP in the series doesn't appear to have been fitted with any special modifications.
 
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
 
[[Image:BSG 5107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Samuel T. Anders ([[Michael Trucco]]) holds the UMP in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
[[Image:Anders'UMP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Anders holds the UMP during the standoff with Starbuck. Note that the weapon is still on "Safe".]]
[[Image:Anders'UMP2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Anders'UMP3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Resistance", the UMP is seen being held on Kara "Starbuck" Thrace ([[Katee Sackhoff]]).]]
[[Image:Anders'UMP4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Anders with the UMP in Season 2's "The Farm".]]
 
== Beretta M12 ==
The [[Beretta M12]] is one of the weapons recovered from the hidden cache during the escape from New Caprica. It was first seen in the hands of Resistance members in season 2.
 
[[Image:Beretta_M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BSGBerettaM12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion ==
Kara ''Starbuck'' Thrace ([[Katee Sackhoff]]) wields two [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion]] machine pistols with 20-round magazines after hooking up with Helo on Caprica and just before encountering the Resistance.
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion with 20 round magazine - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Anders'UMP3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Resistance", Kara "Starbuck" Thrace ([[Katee Sackhoff]]) holds dual Skorpions.]]
[[Image:BSGSk.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Skorpion.]]
[[Image:BSGSk1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kara holds the Skorpions when she and Helo take fire in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
 
== Ruger MP9 ==
The [[Ruger MP9]] is seen being carried by Karl "Helo" Agathon ([[Tahmoh Penikett]]) just before he and Starbuck encounter the Resistance.
[[Image:RugerMP9smg.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Ruger MP9 with Stock folded - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BSGMp9a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kara hands off the Ruger to Helo. ]]
[[Image:BSGMp9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Helo opens fire with the Ruger.]]
[[Image:BSG 5108.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karl "Helo" Agathon ([[Tahmoh Penikett]]) holds the Ruger MP9 in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
 
== Cobray M11/9 ==
Anders also is seen using a [[Cobray M11/9]] non-gun fitted with a thread protector in Season 2's "Downloaded".
[[Image:M11 2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Cobray M11/9 9x19mm.  This is the semiautomatic pistol, note how the selector switch is on the opposite side of the receiver and the pins are in different places on the receiver.]]
[[Image:bsg11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Anders also is seen using a [[Cobray M11/9]] non-gun fitted with a thread protector in Season 2's "Downloaded".]]
[[Image:bsg11a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== Feather AT-9 Pistol ==
(Based on photographic evidence only) A pistol version of the Feather AT-9 Carbine was apparently used as the basis for the Cylon Pistol.  The pistol grip was replaced with a FN FAL grip and an additional 'notch' was cut into the receiver tube to hold the bolt, since it had been converted into an open bolt select fire weapon (The original AT-9 was a closed bolt semi auto only firearm). 
 
[[Image:featherAT9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[image:Gun Cylon stunt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used rubber stunt gun]]
[[Image:bsgAP9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:bsgAP9a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
=Rifles=
 
== Beretta CX4 Storm ==
 
From Season 2 to the end of the series, the [[Beretta CX4 Storm]] is the standard long gun of the Colonial Marines on board the ''Galactica'' and the ''Pegasus''.  The weapons themselves have various attachments including a rail system with red dot sight, flashlight attachments, and a custom flash hider.
 
[[Image:Beretta_CX4_storm.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Unmodified CX4]]
[[image:Galactica_CX-4_Beretta_Storm_screen_used.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Screen modified gun]]
[[Image:BSGCx4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baltar fires the rifle.]]
[[Image:BSG 3111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee holds the Beretta CX Storm in Season 2's "Home, Part 2".]]
[[Image:BSGCx4b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGCx4c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|William Adama holds the rifle in "The Oath" (S4E15).]]
 
== L85A1 ==
 
The [[Enfield L85 rifle series#L85A1|L85A1]] is seen in Season 1 flashbacks as well as in the special features of the Season 1 DVD.  The weapons in the show themselves lack the optical sights and have the whole lower receiver and muzzle guard painted white, indicating they may only be used for ceremonial purposes.  In the Season 2 episodes "Resistance" and "The Farm", a couple of L85A1's with the SUSAT scope are seen in the hands of the resistance fighters on Caprica, suggesting that the SA80 is a standard issue rifle in the Colonial military.
 
[[Image:L85A1.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|L85A1 5.56x45mm with SUSAT scope]]
[[Image:SA80Honorguard.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Act of Contrition" (S1E05), a Colonial honor guard performs a rifle volley with L85A1 rifles. These rifles appear to lack the optical sights and have the whole lower receiver and muzzle guard painted white, indicating they may only be used for ceremonial purposes.  ]]
[[Image:BSGL85.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A resistance fighter holds the L85A1 on Starbuck and Helo in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
[[Image:BSGL85a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the resistance fighter's L85A1.]]
 
== Heckler & Koch G36K ==
The [[Heckler & Koch G36]]K model assault rifle is seen almost exclusively in the hands of Colonial military personnel.  Kara "Starbuck" Thrace ([[Katee Sackhoff]]) is armed with the G36 in Season 2's "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2".
[[Image:H&K-G36K.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36K - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:StarbuckG36K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace ([[Katee Sackhoff]]) is armed with the G36K in Season 2's "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2". ]]
[[Image:BSG4 404.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Colonial Marine with the G36K in the series finale "Daybreak, Part 2".]]
 
== Norinco Type 84S ==
 
The [[AK-47#Norinco Type 84S|Norinco Type 84S]] is another weapon seen in the hands of a Resistance fighter after its recovery from the arms cache on New Caprica.  Not clear what the exact weapon is but it may have been a folding stock ''Norinco 84'' given the shape of the magazine making it a 5.56mm weapon and not a 7.62mmx39. The Norinco Type 84 rifle was seen in the hands of a resistance fighter on Caprica in the Season 2 episode "Lay Down Your Burdens: Part 2" as well.
 
[[Image:NorincoType84SRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 84S 5.56x45mm]]
 
[[Image:BSGAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Norinco Type 84S is seen in the hands of a Resistance fighter in Season 3's "Exodus, Part 1".]]
[[Image:BSG 3105.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Charlie Connor ([[Ryan Robbins]]) carries a Norinco Type 84S in Season 3's "Exodus, Part 2".]]
 
== Remington 700 (Choate Ultimate Sniper Stock) ==
A [[Remington 700]] is seen in the hands of a resistance fighter on Caprica in Season 2's "Resistance".  This particular weapon has a telescopic sight and is fitted with a Choate Ultimate Sniper/Target riflestock with a bipod.
[[Image:Savage_10FP-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Remington 700 with Choate Super Sniper Stock 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BSGrem700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Remington 700]] fitted with a Choate Ultimate Sniper/Target riflestock is seen in the hands of a resistance fighter on Caprica in Season 2's "Resistance".]]
 
== Seburo MN-23 ==
 
In the Miniseries, the Colonial security personnel on Galactica are armed with this bullpup assault rifle. It bears a resemblance to a short-barreled FAMAS with a Picatinny rail mount. This rifle was actually designed by Masamune Shirow for the Dominion: Conflict comic series, and is known as the Seburo MN-23. No known working model of this gun has been seen, so odds are during the mini-series they were the airsoft props with added flashlights. Obviously since this weapon doesn't fire or technical crew changed their minds to the Cx4, this weapon along with the Raisen only appeared briefly during one scene on the Ragnar station during the mini-series. This rifle appears to be a standard weapon for the non-military security personnel onboard Galactica.
 
[[Image:SeburoMN-23.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Seburo MN-23]]
[[Image:Galactica MN-23.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen-used gun]]
[[Image:SeburoMN23a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Galactica security team prepares to board the Ragnar Station armed with Seburo rifles.]]
[[Image:SeburoMN23b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Aaron Doral being left behind on the Ragnar station by Galactica security armed with Seburo rifles.]]
 
== CQB TYPE-0 "RAISEN" ==
 
The weapon possessed by Leoben Conoy (a Number 2) at Ragnar Station is a fictional variant of the AR-15, known as the Close Quarters Battle Weapon Type Zero, aka the "Raisen". It is a model gun designed by Poseidon Industries of Japan, a company that also makes the Seburo MN-23. In the Mini-series, Leoben's Raisen had a flashlight, sling and sight attachment to it. It is most likely a non firing prop since no known working model of the Raisen has even been seen to my knowledge. Obviously since this weapon doesn't fire or technical crew changed their minds to the Cx4, this weapon along with the MN-23 only appeared briefly during one scene on the Ragnar station during the mini-series.
 
[[Image:Raisen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Standard Raisen]]
[[Image:Raisen Galactica.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Picture of Screen used Raisen]]
[[Image:raisen1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tyrol is threatened with the "Raisen" rifle.]]
[[Image:raisen2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leoben Conoy holds the Raisen.]]
[[Image:raisen3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the rifle.]]
 
=Machine Guns =
 
== Daewoo K3 ==
 
A [[Daewoo K3]] (fitted with RIS and KAC vertical grip, to imitate an [[FN Minimi|FN Minimi SPW]] is glimpsed briefly in the ''Razor'' movie, used in the final assault on the Cylon Basestar and also seen in the arms cache in Season 3's "Exodus, Part 3".
 
[[Image:DaewooK3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Daewoo K3 "Paratrooper" model, with a chopped barrel buttstock removed to resemble an M249 Paratrooper, and with a 200 round "soft pack" magazine. Guns in similar configurations have been seen in many action films. (This picture was edited in GIMP.)]]
[[Image:bsgSAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:bsgSAWa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSG 3106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== M60E3 ==
An [[M60E3]] is used by Colonial Marines during the assault on the Cylon colony in the series finale.
[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px ]]
[[Image:BSG4 409.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
 
=Shotguns=
 
 
== Armsel Striker ==
 
This distinctive South African shotgun [[Armsel Striker]] makes a few appearances in the series but not in its primary role.  Instead, as in numerous shows, it's shown as a grenade launcher.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:BSGDao12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGstriker.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGstriker2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BSGstriker3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== Mossberg 500 Bullpup ==
 
The [[Mossberg 500]] Bullpup conversion of the classic pump shotgun is carried by the rioting prisoners on the prison ship.  Presumably a law enforcement issue weapon since it is not seen in the hands of any ''Colonial'' military personnel.
 
[[Image:Mossberg_Bullpup.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
 
[[Image:BSGmoss500.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
=Other=
 
== Cobray 37mm Launcher ==
 
During the siege of Kobol, Chief Tyrol is seen using this single shot grenade launcher against the ''Cylon'' radar dish.  The weapon itself appears to have some ornamentation (a jacket over the barrel) so it is a little difficult to identify. However, given the presence of complete trigger guard, cocking handle and the shape of the stock it is not a stand alone [[M203]] but the [[Cobray M79LF]].
 
[[Image:CobrayM79LF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BSGGL.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
=Adm. Cain's Gun Case=
In Season 2's "Pegasus" and in the film "Razor", Adm. Helena Cain ([[Michelle Forbes]]) is seen with a collection of guns in her ready room:
 
=== Flintlock pistols ===
A pair of [[Flintlock Pistol]]s are on display in Adm. Cain's office in Season 2's "Pegasus".
 
[[Image:BSGflint.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
=== Luger P08 ===
The [[Luger P08]] is another weapon seen in a display case in Cain's office.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:BSGluger.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
=== Webley-Scott Model 1906 ===
 
The very rare [[Webley & Scott Mk I|Webley-Scott Model 1906]] handgun also holds a place in Cain's collection.
 
[[Image:20044530.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Webely & Scott Model 1906]]
[[Image:BSGWebley-scott-1909.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The very rare [[Webley & Scott Mk I|Webley-Scott Model 1906]] handgun also holds a place in Cain's collection.]]
 
=== Colt Single Action Army ===
 
Seen in a display case is a long barreled cavalry version of this classic [[Colt Single Action Army]] revolver.  This one is unusual because of the shoulder stock attached (though detachable shoulder stocks were used on a SAA [[Lee Van Cleef]] used in ''[[For a Few Dollars More]]''.)
 
=== Smith and Wesson Schofield ===
 
Alongside the Colt is a [[Smith and Wesson Schofield]].
 
[[Image:CainsWeapons.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
''Can anyone identify the weapon immediately below the Colt SAA and the S&W Schofield?'' [It's a single-shot 'saloon' or target pistol of some kind, probably rimfire.]
 
=== 1911 ===
[[Image:bsg1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
=== M1928 Thompson Submachine Gun ===
 
Prominently displayed in a glass case in ''Cain'''s office is a Model 1928 [[Thompson]] submachine gun
 
 
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Thompson_SubmachineGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 
== Colonial handgun isn't a Smith & Wesson ==
 
[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 4" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Oldpistolv2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seen used in season 1]]
Note the screw right above the trigger on the Colonial Handgun. This screw is not present on Smith & Wesson revolvers, but it is on Colt Pythons:
[[Image:Pythstainless6.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Python Stainless Steel variant with 6" Barrel and Colt marked rubber combat grips - .357 Magnum]]

Latest revision as of 21:41, 24 September 2017

Starbuck's "sniper" rifle in episode 3

In episode three (Bastille Day), Starbuck goes with the marine strike team because of some ridiculous reason. Anyway, she is not using a P-90 like the rest of the marines. She appears to have a rifle that I have been unable to identify, due to there being no clear shots. There are only two clues: first, when she boards the raptor to go to the Astral Queen, the rifle is slung on her back, and you get a brief glimpse of the back of the butt. Later, when she failed to kill Tom Zarek with her shot, you see the underside of the front of the rifle. Interestingly, it almost appears to use the same flash hider as the Cx4's used in the late reasons. But I still cannot identify this rifle. Thoughts?--Fidget (talk) 05:10, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

Is the futuristic pistol really a 686? It looks a LOT more like a Colt Python.

Futuristic Pistol
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I'd like to compare certain parts of the visible trigger guard as well as the frame above it.

  • First off, the hump right above the trigger. That is clearly visible on the Python (1) as well as the futuristic pistol. The 686 DOES NOT have a hump.
  • Second, the frame screw and seam. Both, again, are clearly visible on the Python (2) as well as the futuristic gun but not on the 686.
  • Third, the trigger. The trigger of the futuristic pistol is very similar in shape - note the flat cut before the trigger curve - to the trigger of a Colt Python (2) than the 686.
  • Fourth, the frame curve. The curve behind the cylinder where the hammer normally is visible, on the futuristic pistol, shallows out and ends in a rounded hump. Comparing the frame curve of the 686, it does shallow out, BUT the end of the frame is sharper and angular compared to the futuristic revolver. If we take a look at a Python (3) the curve matches exactly to the one in the futuristic pistol.
  • Fifth, and last, the logo. If you look at the 686, the S&W logo is right next to the edge of the grip. However, taking a look at the Futuristic revolver, no logo is seen - where did it go if it was a 686? If you take a look at the Python (3), although, the Colt "Bucking Horse" logo is placed very close to the cylinder and cylinder latch - where it can be and it is covered up by shell.
  • Oh, also, the S&W 686 is only available in a stainless finish. However, even if you compare the blued 586 (which I have included above), the same reasons still apply.


I rest my case. -SeptemberJack (talk) 15:27, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
P.S. It can be noted, however, that it necessarily isn't a Colt Python - to that I say that it IS a Colt manufactured revolver, and NOT a Smith & Wesson one.

You have made one big assumption in that reasoning, and that is that you are basing it off of that gun image rather than looking at the screen used guns. I'm not 100% but I believe that that image is a prop replica made by Matsuo which uses a Colt Python as a base. If you look at screenshots of the guns from both season 1 and the miniseries, you will see that they do not match the shape of the Python (or any other Colt revolver) but do match the 586 or 686. You are right that the 686 is only stainless, however the whole gun could have just been painted once it was assembled (in order to give the whole thing a consistent finish), or the whole thing could be a resin casting made from a 686. Compare this image of the gun used on screen to that of the replica and you will see that they are different. It is widely known in the replica prop making world that basing these guns off of Pythons is wrong, but people still seem to do it because they prefer the look. --commando552 (talk) 16:55, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
Lol, I just wanna add that I think you could have done just one comparo set of images - that is, one 686 and one Python and that would have done (just a notation about the blued vs stainless would have been enough there). That said, I would agree that - solely in regards to that above gun image - you are right that it appears a Colt wheelgun due to the profile of the rear frame, lower frame-trigger guard and trigger itself. However it doesn't match with the guns in the screenshots, which C552 goes over nicely. I agree with him that it is ultimately more likely a prop piece entirely, and NOT with a Colt as the base there. StanTheMan (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2017 (EDT)
Hah, ok. Didn't notice the screen gun wasn't the same as the prop gun :P. -SeptemberJack (talk) 17:41, 24 September 2017 (EDT)