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== Unknown Mauser rifle == | |||
I ran across a weird Mauser in two consecutive episodes. The show had previously used [[K98k]]s, except this has a straight bolt handle, BUT, it has a cutout in the stock as if it was meant to have a bent bolt handle. Are bolts interchangeable? Is this just some weird hybrid? It doesn't appear to be a one-off. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:30, 27 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I looked on some Mauser forums, and apparently the Russians reconditioned a bunch of captured K98ks with straight bolt handles. I don't know about their availability in the late sixties though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:31, 29 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[Image: MI66_0119_Mauser_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the straight bolt handle.]] | |||
[[ | [[Image: MI66_0119_Mauser_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the cutout in the stock to accommodate a bent bolt handle.]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image: MI66_0120_Mauser_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same type of rifle in the next episode.]] | ||
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== | ==Unknown pistol== | ||
Senko Brobin ([[Francis Lederer]]) takes Polya's ([[Kurt Kreuger]]) sidearm to crush some sugar cubes in "A Cube of Sugar" (S01E27). At first I thought it was a Colt Pocket Hammerless, but it has curved serrations, and the grip is too long. Any thoughts? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:49, 30 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[ | :Looking back, I think Cinnamon had the same pistol in "Fakeout" (S01E12). I had assumed that it was a Colt Pocket Hammerless here as well. Notice the grip running all the way up to the slide. There's also some sort of decocker/takedown lever/etc in front of the grips. It looks a bit larger than a Colt as well.--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:27, 31 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
[[Image: | ::It just occurred to me, could this be some sort of fake gun? In episode 12, Cinnamon drops it down some stairs, and in 26, a guy uses it to grind up some sugar cubes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:29, 31 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:MI66_0112_CPH_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cinnamon points her Colt at Anastas Poltroni/Ted Carson in "Fakeout" (S01E12). Note the length of the grips, and possibly a lanyard ring near the heel.]] | ||
[[Image:MI66_0112_pistol_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A grainy shot of the dropped pistol in "Fakeout" (S01E12).]] | |||
[[Image: MI66_0126_pistol_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the grip. The serrations are curved, unlike on a Colt Pocket Hammerless. Note that the grips also run all the way up to the slide, unlike a Colt Pocket Hammerless.]] | |||
[[Image: MI66_0126_pistol_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A shot of the grip. Once again, note the length of the grips.]] | |||
[[Image: MI66_0126_pistol_03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The only view we get of the entire pistol, albeit not a great view.]] | |||
:Found it. It's a variant of the Star Ruby. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
::It's hard to pin down which variant, since there are so many. I think it's one of the seven shot variants, since the grip doesn't extend past Cinnamon's hand. I just took my best guess. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:20, 31 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
== | ==Colt Cobra== | ||
[[Image:MI66_0117_DS_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Vito Scalisi's DS as he fires it next to Rollin's ear in "The Frame" (S01E17).]] | |||
[[Image: | If you look closely at the barrel of the gun being fired next to Rollin's ear (S01E17)you can the barrel marking "COBRA", also note the frame | ||
color is a little plum colored,indicating the the alloy frame of the Colt Cobra. The same plum color shows on the gun being pointed at Willy | |||
[[ | (S01E06)so it's probably the same gun. I only noticed this because of the high quality of these screencaps.---Tecolote, 15th June 2013 | ||
I | :Where's the second one? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:37, 15 June 2013 (EDT) | ||
:I'm in the | The first picture under Dectective Special where a Casino guard is pointing one at Willy, and I'm only basing it on that plummy frame color, which | ||
is noticable on both Colt and S&W alloy frames in person,so it's your call. again,great screencaps.---Tecolote ,15 June 2013 | |||
:Oh, okay. I'll move that over. I'm wondering if all of the DSs in the show are Cobras then. The show tends to use the same guns over and over again, like that one [[Becker & Hollander Beholla]] that keeps showing up. (I'm assuming it's the same one, you never see more than one, and it's nickel or chrome plated, so how many can there be?) Have you looked at the season 2 caps? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:21, 15 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
== | == Eerie similarities == | ||
So I finally broke down and bought an old book on the series, which had the original treatment for the show. The title was supposed to be "Brigg's Squad", and it was about a team "formerly a Special Forces group that performed wartime missions 'often incredibly hazardous and totally without reward because the government of the United States must disavow any knowledge of those particular activities...'" to be lead by a Lt. Col. David Briggs, and the team included a "wheeler-dealer 'who never owns anything longer than it takes to turn a profit'", a ladies man who "does not know what a woman means by the word 'no', never - not once in his life - ever having heard it, a tech guy, a muscle man who was "ugly, ill-tempered, inept, and probably the strongest man in the world," a martial arts expert and professional killer, and a master of disguise. If you were to combine a few of those character traits, isn't this basically ''The A-Team'' then? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 01:28, 30 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
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== | == Sound effects gun == | ||
The episode "Action!" (S01E23) was probably one of the cheaper episodes to make, since it involved infiltrating a movie set. There was a gun-like device on set though, and I have no idea what it's suppose to be? For sound effects? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:35, 31 December 2015 (EST) | |||
[[Image:MI66 0123 SFX 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thing that looks like a gun on a stand circled.]] | |||
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== | == Beretta M1934 in "The Legacy" == | ||
I | I wouldn't call it odd that a Neo-Nazi would use a Beretta M1934, this weapon was used by Nazi-Germany under the designation Pistole 671(i), and it could be assumed that the weapon was passed down, from the father to the son! --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 09:42, 7 July 2016 (EDT) | ||
[[ | :Incidentally, when the episode was remade in 1988, they did use a Walther PP, though I think that was more for practical reasons. I think it's just what the armorers had on hand. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:59, 7 July 2016 (EDT) | ||
::I agree. But the comment, that it's odd for a Neo-Nazi to use a italian weapon, I tried to explain it. And the Beretta was indeed used by german soldiers! --[[User:Exodianecross|Exodianecross]] ([[User talk:Exodianecross|talk]]) 16:28, 7 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
:::The odd thing is that there were plenty of German pistols in the first season, some even in that very episode. You had P38s, Lugers, and even the Beholla. If you wanted to include Czech guns, you had the CZ 27 and 38. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:47, 7 July 2016 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 21:47, 7 July 2016
Discussion
Unknown Mauser rifle
I ran across a weird Mauser in two consecutive episodes. The show had previously used K98ks, except this has a straight bolt handle, BUT, it has a cutout in the stock as if it was meant to have a bent bolt handle. Are bolts interchangeable? Is this just some weird hybrid? It doesn't appear to be a one-off. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:30, 27 May 2013 (EDT)
- I looked on some Mauser forums, and apparently the Russians reconditioned a bunch of captured K98ks with straight bolt handles. I don't know about their availability in the late sixties though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:31, 29 May 2013 (EDT)
Unknown pistol
Senko Brobin (Francis Lederer) takes Polya's (Kurt Kreuger) sidearm to crush some sugar cubes in "A Cube of Sugar" (S01E27). At first I thought it was a Colt Pocket Hammerless, but it has curved serrations, and the grip is too long. Any thoughts? --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2013 (EDT)
- Looking back, I think Cinnamon had the same pistol in "Fakeout" (S01E12). I had assumed that it was a Colt Pocket Hammerless here as well. Notice the grip running all the way up to the slide. There's also some sort of decocker/takedown lever/etc in front of the grips. It looks a bit larger than a Colt as well.--Funkychinaman (talk) 14:27, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
- It just occurred to me, could this be some sort of fake gun? In episode 12, Cinnamon drops it down some stairs, and in 26, a guy uses it to grind up some sugar cubes. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:29, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
- Found it. It's a variant of the Star Ruby. --Funkychinaman (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
- It's hard to pin down which variant, since there are so many. I think it's one of the seven shot variants, since the grip doesn't extend past Cinnamon's hand. I just took my best guess. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:20, 31 May 2013 (EDT)
Colt Cobra
If you look closely at the barrel of the gun being fired next to Rollin's ear (S01E17)you can the barrel marking "COBRA", also note the frame color is a little plum colored,indicating the the alloy frame of the Colt Cobra. The same plum color shows on the gun being pointed at Willy (S01E06)so it's probably the same gun. I only noticed this because of the high quality of these screencaps.---Tecolote, 15th June 2013
- Where's the second one? --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
The first picture under Dectective Special where a Casino guard is pointing one at Willy, and I'm only basing it on that plummy frame color, which is noticable on both Colt and S&W alloy frames in person,so it's your call. again,great screencaps.---Tecolote ,15 June 2013
- Oh, okay. I'll move that over. I'm wondering if all of the DSs in the show are Cobras then. The show tends to use the same guns over and over again, like that one Becker & Hollander Beholla that keeps showing up. (I'm assuming it's the same one, you never see more than one, and it's nickel or chrome plated, so how many can there be?) Have you looked at the season 2 caps? --Funkychinaman (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2013 (EDT)
Eerie similarities
So I finally broke down and bought an old book on the series, which had the original treatment for the show. The title was supposed to be "Brigg's Squad", and it was about a team "formerly a Special Forces group that performed wartime missions 'often incredibly hazardous and totally without reward because the government of the United States must disavow any knowledge of those particular activities...'" to be lead by a Lt. Col. David Briggs, and the team included a "wheeler-dealer 'who never owns anything longer than it takes to turn a profit'", a ladies man who "does not know what a woman means by the word 'no', never - not once in his life - ever having heard it, a tech guy, a muscle man who was "ugly, ill-tempered, inept, and probably the strongest man in the world," a martial arts expert and professional killer, and a master of disguise. If you were to combine a few of those character traits, isn't this basically The A-Team then? --Funkychinaman (talk) 01:28, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
Sound effects gun
The episode "Action!" (S01E23) was probably one of the cheaper episodes to make, since it involved infiltrating a movie set. There was a gun-like device on set though, and I have no idea what it's suppose to be? For sound effects? --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:35, 31 December 2015 (EST)
Beretta M1934 in "The Legacy"
I wouldn't call it odd that a Neo-Nazi would use a Beretta M1934, this weapon was used by Nazi-Germany under the designation Pistole 671(i), and it could be assumed that the weapon was passed down, from the father to the son! --Exodianecross (talk) 09:42, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
- Incidentally, when the episode was remade in 1988, they did use a Walther PP, though I think that was more for practical reasons. I think it's just what the armorers had on hand. --Funkychinaman (talk) 10:59, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
- I agree. But the comment, that it's odd for a Neo-Nazi to use a italian weapon, I tried to explain it. And the Beretta was indeed used by german soldiers! --Exodianecross (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
- The odd thing is that there were plenty of German pistols in the first season, some even in that very episode. You had P38s, Lugers, and even the Beholla. If you wanted to include Czech guns, you had the CZ 27 and 38. --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:47, 7 July 2016 (EDT)
- I agree. But the comment, that it's odd for a Neo-Nazi to use a italian weapon, I tried to explain it. And the Beretta was indeed used by german soldiers! --Exodianecross (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2016 (EDT)