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Why haven't tank guns been added to any articles? I've noticed this and I'd kinda like to know why. (Sorry if I sound nosey)--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:27, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
Happy New Year's to all. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 21:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
:In general tanks are only equipped with the gun they're actually designed to be equipped with; you're never going to see, for example, a Royal Ordinance L11A5 on an Abrams. Simply saying it's an Abrams in the caption means you've identified the gun (M256 Smoothbore unless it's an M1A-nothing, in which case Royal Ordinance L7). Also you can just say what the tank's coaxial gun is to identify the main gun with it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:33, 30 April 2013 (EDT)
::alright, thank you. I was somewhat confused, considering we have the Bushmaster Chainguns and not MBT guns.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 11:05, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:::There is a bit of inconsistency with which tank and aircraft weapons have their own pages and which don't. The actual site rules state that a gun must be an "individual or crew served weapon that fires in a DIRECT FIRE role" to have its own page, but some gun pages have been added despite this. Technically I think the Bushmaster qualifies as it is a crew served weapon on US Navy ships, but there are some weapons that don't qualify that have their own pages, mostly aerial cannons. I believe the reasoning behind this rule is that generally if you ever see these heavy weapons in films or TV they will generally be mock ups, de-milled weapons that are essentially just a barrel or CG, as opposed to small arms where they are genuinely appearing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:10, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:: - Actually I believe some of the 'aircraft' weapons like the M61 Vulcan are not only available in a crew-served form but are also actually in movie armories (MPM has mentioned this), so some may also be eligible on that basis as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:50, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:::I agree that the Vulcan is eligible for its own page as it has physically appeared in some movies and is in the posession of at least one armourer. However this is by far the exception to the rule. Also slightly off topic, but has the M61 ever been crew served? The stock answer would be in a Spectre but I don't think they are trainable, they are fixed (even if they were trainable they are not aimed by a gunner at the weapon, but remotely aimed by a gunner looking down the FLIR). The actual aiming is done by the pilot who is nowhere near the things. The closest they come to being crew served is that a gunner has to shovel the spent brass out of the way. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:49, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:::: - Strictly crew-served/employed I'm not sure but it was mounted on a trainable turret with a special radar/homing setup in a variant of the M113 APC, classified as the M220(?) "VADS" (Vulcan Air-Defense System). As for the 'allowable' question, I believe the general idea was that each piece of that sort would be judged whether it was allowed or not individually on a case-by-case basis. Which I think is doable without much trouble - it's not like there are a whole lot of larger-class of guns like that, unlike the small-arms. For the most part, I agree that larger tank or naval guns shouldn't be included - they're always fake (except in documentary footage, which is minimal), usually not prominent, and as Tim said, not modified/changed to make them something they're not. I think the other stuff has been seen a lot and/or up-close in some media, enough for people to wonder what it may be. I could be wrong though, just a thought. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 01:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::::but tanks guns are crew served, technically, right?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 07:41, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::::::It depends on what definition you use, but not really. A crew served weapon is generally standalone or on a carriage, if a tank gun was taken out and fitted to a carriage it would be a crew served weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:42, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::: - Indeed, a crew-served weapon by my understanding is just a weapon system served/employed by a crew of personnel. The weapon may be towed for transport/set-up or even put on a vehicle perhaps, but like commando said, it's still capable of use as a standalone unit - it isn't solely or even mostly mounted on a vehicle from which it is used like big guns on tanks and ships. In that regard, the vehicle is the central piece - not the weapon itself, and the vehicle isn't simply considered a 'mount' from which the weapon can be used. In a way you are right that it is served by a crew, but the crew serving the tank's main gun isn't serving the weapon so much as serving part of the vehicle - it's a tank crew, not a M256-gun-mounted-on-an-armored-self-propelled-chassis crew. As said, some of the automatic cannons that are listed are capable of being employed as independent standalone pieces as I understand, and not strictly only part of a particular vehicle or mount. And as I also stated, some of those other weapons have been or are in movie armories, tank guns not so as far as I know. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:59, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::::alright thank you for the clarification.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 08:55, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
::::: - What, you read all that crap? I was just trying to sound impressive! ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:40, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
::::::::BTW, I know I'm late to this discussion, but for the record, I'm against listing auto cannons that are only aircraft used, especially fighter jet aircraft. They can be identified on the individual movie, tv, VG page, but they don't deserve their own pages. No movie armory has one, as they would have to have the fighter jet to begin with. Sure we have "some" older fighter jets in private hands and if a movie armory has has that weaponry in their inventory, it counts. But all the new stuff does not qualify. Just like the big guns on Naval vessels. NO armory would have one of their own. You guys are pretty much on the mark as per this stuff. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 02:35, 14 May 2013 (EDT)
== Main Page Changes ==
== I guess, I made ID of Thark Rifle in John Carter movie ==
So the featured templates (article, quotes, trivia) are discontinued? Will there be a tutorial on how the automatic updating will work? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 16:56, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
At the ''[[John Carter (2012)|John Carter]]'' movie, most Tharks (Green Martian clan) use Thark Martian rifles. Of course, it was futurised guns, but, after closing inspection of the original movie props, I notice, that's this futusistic rifles were made from [[Tanegashima]]s (of course, a modern replicas). For proving this guess, I made a photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. So, I guess, that's useful to ID the gun as Tanegashma. [[User:Pyramid Silent|Pyramid Silent]] ([[User talk:Pyramid Silent|talk]]) 13:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
:There is a little demo [http://www.rockethub.com/24843 here] of how pages will work after the update. This is only a mock up/demo but you can get a vague idea of how it will work. I have another question about the update, I can see that it makes doing a simple standard page with easy entries simpler and will help a load with standardisation, but will it still be possible to do slightly more complicated things or will the template system restrict it? For example will the size of the gun images be set to a standard width meaning that images in a different aspect ratio like grenades will be huge, or will there be a way to manually set it? Also, will you be able to do more complicated gun links using the templates, and by that I mean links to sections within pages or having the link use different text (like a link saying "Springfield Armory XD9 V10" taking you to the "Springfield Armory XD" page)? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:07, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
[[Image:Thark rifle photoshop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. The serpent for the match and closing powderbox (1), which is almost similar on the Tanegashima and Thark rifle. The pistol-grip buttstock (2) which is also almost similar. Of course, the movie prop is equipped with some part of other guns (percussion hammer) as well as some junks, to look more futuristic, as well, it's sawn in half, but the basing gun is Tanegashima.]]
::@Ben41 - As explained on the forum, this is only temporary.
::@Commando552 - all good questions. Let's just say there is a reason it has taken us so long to get the software to this point, and why it will take us longer to get it up and running. The short answer is yes. The templates will account for the defaults, but there will be ways around it when necessary.
::--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] <span style="color:green">''IMFDB Chief of Operations''</span> ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 19:41, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
:::I am excited and totally supportive of the suggested revisions, but I have an obvious question. I don't participate in the forum and the above demo on YouTube seems to be protected so I am still a bit 'in the dark' if there are any changes regarding page creation from now. Can I still use the 'infobox' format or do I need to run my text through a different format? I just finished coding a movie and I want to get it on IMFDB in a future-proof format. Thanks for any suggestion (will make financial contribution tomorrow!), [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 17:42, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
::::@PeeWee Not sure what the heck is going on with the YouTube video. It is the same video that is on the [http://www.rockethub.com/24843 RocketHub page]. We are looking into the issue right now. For now, continue to use the site exactly as you have been. The reason we need funding is that we haven't actually developed the complete back-end yet. We have been tinkering with it for a few months now in our free time. The video is a proof of concept that shows what we plan to do. In the video you see it working with a shotgun. At the moment, we ONLY have it for a shotgun. In other words, if you tried that for a pistol, it wouldn't work (and its not on imfdb, we are working on a sandbox server so as not to mess up what works on here). You would not believe how complicated some of this backend stuff is. Anyway, assuming we get funding and are able to impliment this stuff, we will talk more about the process of converting the site over the new format. It is something we have thought a lot about and are still figuring out. Bottom line: for now, just keep using the site as you always have and keep up the good work, everyone!
==Smiling Friends page?==
::::--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] <span style="color:green">''IMFDB Chief of Operations''</span> ([[User talk:Zackmann08|talk]]) 23:18, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
The western animation series Smiling Friends has quite a few realistically-drawn firearms which I documented on my sandbox [[User:Dnkakusei/Sandbox#Smiling_Friends_.5B2022-ongoing.2C_USA.5D|here]]. I would just like to know if the show qualifies for a page on this site. --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
::::: I allways create pages offline (in simple text editor) and put them on IMFDB when they are ready. Will I still be able to continue such practice, or only online editing will remain after revision? The latter will make great difficulties for my future contribution on IMFDB because I have access to internet not allways when I have free time for working on a page. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:07, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
Just made a contribution through RocketHub and an idea came up. Due to economic reasons I am temporarily somewhat short on money but plenty on time, so how about I, and possibly others, contribute that 'time' to support IMFDB? Maybe some people can get lists of pages with broken links, or that otherwise need cleaning up, and we allocate a few hours to do boring but essential manual correction work? I know from my own professional experience that any database basically is as good as the worst contribution. Am interested to hear what you think, [[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 08:52, 5 May 2013 (EDT)
== A 'tongue-in-cheek' notice to all IMFDB members... ==
== Delete category backlog ==
[[Image:Arnie.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Just want to holler at the mod/s just in case. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] ([[User talk:PeeWee055|talk]]) 11:03, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
: Got more screenshots from Detective Conan marked for deletion since Netflix Japan's able to get remastered episodes out and I'm slowly using them to update pages here. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 01:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
:: Got more stuff for deletion. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 06:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- I love this site and what it represents. To be honest though, two years ago, I wouldn't have been able to support the project even if you had Arnie himself threaten me. But now I'm employed again so hopefully I might be able to contribute a bit in a couple weeks or so. Now I certainly won't get attitude with those who don't though, and will frown upon those who want to force the issue - I'm not saying it's not important, but some may not be able to contribute for a number of reasons, and I won't give them guff about it. In all fairness, I would think most people could give something - hell even five bucks adds up if quite a lot do it. I won't be able to go for the grand prize unless I won the lottery, but damn I'd love to check it out. Anyway, I would say just do what you can. I do like the picture though, that was a nice choice to go with original T800 Arnie. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:07, 6 May 2013 (EDT)
== Blue Muzzle Flashes ==
== Need help with pistol ID. ==
Something I have noticed with classic action films, mostly within the 80's era, is that a lot of muzzle flashes appear more blue than yellow. Did this have something to do with the type of blanks/props that were being used back then, or was this just a result of 1980's cinematography? --[[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I need some help IDing a pistol. These are from ''The Man in the Brown Suit'' from 1989. The scenes were shot in Spain. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:59, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
[[Image:TERMSE_SIDEA-35.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[Image: TMitBS_pistol_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I was going to say [[Astra Constable]], but it's missing the slide mounted safety.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image: TMitBS_pistol_02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The pistol isn't that tiny, it's just that the guy holding it, Ken Howard, is huge.]]
[[Image: TMitBS_pistol_05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|There's a bit of an optical illusion here. The trigger guard isn't different, it's just that one of the fingertips from her left hand is curling over it. ]]
:That is the Astra A-50, the SAO variant of the Constable. There are three different Constable variants (Constable is just the US import name), the base A-5000 which is the original version which is on the Constable page, the A-50 which was SAO and had a frame safety along with omitting the slide release catch for some reason, and the double stack A-60. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:45, 15 May 2013 (EDT)
== Monsters vs Aliens? ==
Should we add a page about Monsters vs Aliens, the movie has some detailed guns like the M4 Carbine
== Prodigal Son - Season 2, Unknown semi-auto pistol ==
I believe have a positive ID on the "unknown" semi-auto pistol listed for Prodigal Son - Season 2.
I requested an account specifically to help with this ID but I don't understand how to correctly add this info
If someone could vet this and add it, I'd appreciate it!
Prodigal Son - S02E10, "Exit Strategy". At approx 34m:30s, Felix (spoiler: Clayton Fielder's twin) climbs a staircase while brandishing, then racking, a silver-tone semi-auto I identify as a TriStar P-120 (CZ75 clone). It's later seen several times from virtually every conceivable angle starting around 38:10.
:I checked it and I think you're right, so I did make all the necessary changes. By the way, don't forget to put your nickname and time in all discussions using 4 "~" at the end of each post. [[User:Pustelga7|Pustelga7]] ([[User talk:Pustelga7|talk]]) 15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
: Thank you!
Therealnecroscope, 06:35, 6 June 2023
(Testing nic/time)
[[User:Therealnecroscope|Therealnecroscope]] ([[User talk:Therealnecroscope|talk]]) 10:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
==White M18 grenade==
Are white M18 smoke grenade only seen in TV/movies/games? Been seeing some of those. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
:I don't think they come in white IRL. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
==Stunt/action choreography for a director's page==
On the page for stunt choreographer and two-time film director [[Kensuke Sonomura]], I've added a list of films and games that he contributed stunt direction and choreography to. I'm planning on fully adding these productions to his category, but I was told to ask an admin first because stunt coordination is a pretty niche credit, however I believe that these productions should be added to his category as stunt and action sequences are vital and important parts of these films and games. Is it safe to add the pages? --[[User:Dnkakusei|Dnkakusei]] ([[User talk:Dnkakusei|talk]]) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
==Firearm citations without screen grabs?==
I am new here, and I have not seen any guidelines about whether it's okay to cite a firearm in a movie listing without an associated screen grab. Is it better to have a weapon identified, even without a photo? ... or is it really better to make sure that each citation includes corresponding screen grabs? --[[User:226X5-9-TAC|226X5-9-TAC]] ([[User talk:226X5-9-TAC|talk]]) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC).
:First off, welcome aboard. As for your question, if it's a pre-existing page, then pointing out a specific gun that doesn't already have a screencap is fine, as long as you're specific about when and where it appears (though having a screencap is always preferable). If it's for a page that doesn't exist yet, we'd prefer not - we have an excess of pages without screencaps as-is. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
== Identifying revolver ==
What type of revolver is this? Film is from 1938. [[User:Theakker3|Theakker3]] ([[User talk:Theakker3|talk]]) 17:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
: Not really a detailed enough shot to tell much. Appears to be a mid-size, .38 or therabouts. Ejector rod looks rather long which makes me think it has a socket, which would make it a S&W. If so, likely a Military & Police model. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 17:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
==NCIS Sydney==
Should I wait until the episode/s airing in Australia in the last few weeks this month are accessible in Canada/US next month (January 2024) before screencapping, even though the show's backed by CBS and Paramount Plus? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 10:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
== Happy New Year! (2024) ==
Happy New Year to all IMFDB and may this year be prolific in page editing too!--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
Happy New Year's to all. --Ben41 (talk) 21:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
I guess, I made ID of Thark Rifle in John Carter movie
At the John Carter movie, most Tharks (Green Martian clan) use Thark Martian rifles. Of course, it was futurised guns, but, after closing inspection of the original movie props, I notice, that's this futusistic rifles were made from Tanegashimas (of course, a modern replicas). For proving this guess, I made a photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. So, I guess, that's useful to ID the gun as Tanegashma. Pyramid Silent (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Error creating thumbnail: File missingA photoshoping compilation of the movie props and modern Tanegashima replica. The serpent for the match and closing powderbox (1), which is almost similar on the Tanegashima and Thark rifle. The pistol-grip buttstock (2) which is also almost similar. Of course, the movie prop is equipped with some part of other guns (percussion hammer) as well as some junks, to look more futuristic, as well, it's sawn in half, but the basing gun is Tanegashima.
Smiling Friends page?
The western animation series Smiling Friends has quite a few realistically-drawn firearms which I documented on my sandbox here. I would just like to know if the show qualifies for a page on this site. --Dnkakusei (talk) 13:47, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Delete category backlog
Just want to holler at the mod/s just in case. Ominae (talk) 07:56, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Got more screenshots from Detective Conan marked for deletion since Netflix Japan's able to get remastered episodes out and I'm slowly using them to update pages here. Ominae (talk) 01:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Got more stuff for deletion. Ominae (talk) 06:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Blue Muzzle Flashes
Something I have noticed with classic action films, mostly within the 80's era, is that a lot of muzzle flashes appear more blue than yellow. Did this have something to do with the type of blanks/props that were being used back then, or was this just a result of 1980's cinematography? --Theakker3 (talk) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Should we add a page about Monsters vs Aliens, the movie has some detailed guns like the M4 Carbine
Prodigal Son - Season 2, Unknown semi-auto pistol
I believe have a positive ID on the "unknown" semi-auto pistol listed for Prodigal Son - Season 2.
I requested an account specifically to help with this ID but I don't understand how to correctly add this info
If someone could vet this and add it, I'd appreciate it!
Prodigal Son - S02E10, "Exit Strategy". At approx 34m:30s, Felix (spoiler: Clayton Fielder's twin) climbs a staircase while brandishing, then racking, a silver-tone semi-auto I identify as a TriStar P-120 (CZ75 clone). It's later seen several times from virtually every conceivable angle starting around 38:10.
I checked it and I think you're right, so I did make all the necessary changes. By the way, don't forget to put your nickname and time in all discussions using 4 "~" at the end of each post. Pustelga7 (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Are white M18 smoke grenade only seen in TV/movies/games? Been seeing some of those. Ominae (talk) 17:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't think they come in white IRL. --Funkychinaman (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Stunt/action choreography for a director's page
On the page for stunt choreographer and two-time film director Kensuke Sonomura, I've added a list of films and games that he contributed stunt direction and choreography to. I'm planning on fully adding these productions to his category, but I was told to ask an admin first because stunt coordination is a pretty niche credit, however I believe that these productions should be added to his category as stunt and action sequences are vital and important parts of these films and games. Is it safe to add the pages? --Dnkakusei (talk) 12:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Firearm citations without screen grabs?
I am new here, and I have not seen any guidelines about whether it's okay to cite a firearm in a movie listing without an associated screen grab. Is it better to have a weapon identified, even without a photo? ... or is it really better to make sure that each citation includes corresponding screen grabs? --226X5-9-TAC (talk) 23:02, 15 December 2023 (UTC).
First off, welcome aboard. As for your question, if it's a pre-existing page, then pointing out a specific gun that doesn't already have a screencap is fine, as long as you're specific about when and where it appears (though having a screencap is always preferable). If it's for a page that doesn't exist yet, we'd prefer not - we have an excess of pages without screencaps as-is. Pyr0m4n14c (talk) 23:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
Identifying revolver
What type of revolver is this? Film is from 1938. Theakker3 (talk) 17:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Not really a detailed enough shot to tell much. Appears to be a mid-size, .38 or therabouts. Ejector rod looks rather long which makes me think it has a socket, which would make it a S&W. If so, likely a Military & Police model. StanTheMan (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
NCIS Sydney
Should I wait until the episode/s airing in Australia in the last few weeks this month are accessible in Canada/US next month (January 2024) before screencapping, even though the show's backed by CBS and Paramount Plus? Ominae (talk) 10:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Happy New Year! (2024)
Happy New Year to all IMFDB and may this year be prolific in page editing too!--Dannyguns (talk) 08:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
