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:That flash hider is weird too, it is ported like on a Czech ZB variant, but the design of it looks more like the one on a Bren Mk 2. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:51, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | :That flash hider is weird too, it is ported like on a Czech ZB variant, but the design of it looks more like the one on a Bren Mk 2. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:51, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | ||
IT's the 7.62x39mm conversion using AK magazines. | |||
[[Image:DGIC-ZB26-04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|That's an AK-47 magazine]]--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:40, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I agree with the 7.62x39mm conversion, but what is it a conversion of? I think [http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/uploads/Mongo/images/2007-09-22_180553_chinesezb26.jpg this] is a Chinese ZB 26, and as you can see it has the full length gas piston tube of the original Czech gun, rather than the Bren length ones seen on the movie gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:47, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
::Were the parts of the ZB26 and the Bren interchangeable? If so, maybe a hybrid of the two? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:51, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Arisaka == | == Arisaka == | ||
I'm pretty sure those are Arisaka 38's, not 99's. -- [[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] ([[User talk:Crackshot|talk]]) 07:26, 22 April 2013 (EST) Of course, I'm sorry. It was a mistake. Originally there was to be placed as next rifle. But it also is not 99 By the way, can you identify it?--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 07:47, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | I'm pretty sure those are Arisaka 38's, not 99's. -- [[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] ([[User talk:Crackshot|talk]]) 07:26, 22 April 2013 (EST) Of course, I'm sorry. It was a mistake. Originally there was to be placed as next rifle. But it also is not 99 By the way, can you identify it?--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 07:47, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | ||
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Sorry, but the mortar is misidentified. Note the length of Type 97 barrel and compare it with the "snub nose" mortar used in the movie. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:52, 22 April 2013 (EDT) It is a more types of mortar. But this is basic. When will complement those minor deviations - in types. I therefore I´m did not enter the type of caliber, but a general "infantry mortar".--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 08:11, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | Sorry, but the mortar is misidentified. Note the length of Type 97 barrel and compare it with the "snub nose" mortar used in the movie. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:52, 22 April 2013 (EDT) It is a more types of mortar. But this is basic. When will complement those minor deviations - in types. I therefore I´m did not enter the type of caliber, but a general "infantry mortar".--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 08:11, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | ||
:The last two images look more like 60mm [[M2 Mortar]]s. The bi-pod design is what gives it away. As for the one they are carrying in the first image it is definitely larger, is it meant to be the same weapon? I think this first mortar may be a lightweight mock up for shots where it is being carried. The base plate has a simple loose cup in the middle rather than the more complicated attachment seen on a real mortar, and it also looks way too big to be being carried that easily considering how thick and heavy duty mortar base plates need to be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:25, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | :The last two images look more like 60mm [[M2 Mortar]]s. The bi-pod design is what gives it away. As for the one they are carrying in the first image it is definitely larger, is it meant to be the same weapon? I think this first mortar may be a lightweight mock up for shots where it is being carried. The base plate has a simple loose cup in the middle rather than the more complicated attachment seen on a real mortar, and it also looks way too big to be being carried that easily considering how thick and heavy duty mortar base plates need to be. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:25, 22 April 2013 (EDT) Maybe there is a more types. I've put these main mortar of Japanese troops.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 16:00, 22 April 2013 (EDT) | ||
Greg was right! After a long search and comparison I managed to find this a specific type. This is the Chinese (Taiwan) T70 60 mm mortar.--[[User:Pandolfini|Pandolfini]] ([[User talk:Pandolfini|talk]]) 11:40, 27 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
[[Image:T70-60mm Mortar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] | |||
== M2s or audio/visual mismatch? == | |||
I think the M1 carbines might actually be the selective-fire M2s; either that or they dubbed automatic fire in whenever they were shown firing. In several scenes, you can clearly hear automatic gunfire from them (it's not the machine guns as it's a different sound), though looking at one when it does, it appears to only be ejecting one round at a time.--Big D; 8/4/2013, 19:36 | |||
Latest revision as of 02:43, 11 August 2013
Strange magazine of ZB26
The curved magazine doesn't match ZB26. Though it also look different from Bren. I have read that in 1950s (or 60s?) in China ZB26s were converted for using 7.62x39 cartgidges with AK-47 style magazines. Maybe the movie used MG is an example of such conversion? Greg-Z (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
- The ZB26 machine gun in this is confusing me a bit. First off it isn't a normal ZB26 as the gas piston tube is not the full length of the barrel, but is more like a Bren length one. However I don't think it is a Bren either as that had no cooling fins on the barrel and the receiver is off looking more like a ZB 26. Could it be one of the later versions like th ones that were made for British trials? To me, it seems like the closest match would be a ZGB 30, but even that is off having cooling fins down the full length of the barrel rather than just on the rear half. I've heard the same thing about Chinese ZBs feeding from AK mags, but I have seen kits to do this for stock ZB-26s and Brens so it may not be original but instead a recent conversion to allow for more common ammo. --commando552 (talk) 07:40, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
For better identification ---Pandolfini (talk) 08:11, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
- That flash hider is weird too, it is ported like on a Czech ZB variant, but the design of it looks more like the one on a Bren Mk 2. --commando552 (talk) 08:51, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
IT's the 7.62x39mm conversion using AK magazines.
--Mandolin (talk) 09:40, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
- I agree with the 7.62x39mm conversion, but what is it a conversion of? I think this is a Chinese ZB 26, and as you can see it has the full length gas piston tube of the original Czech gun, rather than the Bren length ones seen on the movie gun. --commando552 (talk) 09:47, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
- Were the parts of the ZB26 and the Bren interchangeable? If so, maybe a hybrid of the two? --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:51, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
Arisaka
I'm pretty sure those are Arisaka 38's, not 99's. -- Crackshot (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2013 (EST) Of course, I'm sorry. It was a mistake. Originally there was to be placed as next rifle. But it also is not 99 By the way, can you identify it?--Pandolfini (talk) 07:47, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
Mortar
Sorry, but the mortar is misidentified. Note the length of Type 97 barrel and compare it with the "snub nose" mortar used in the movie. Greg-Z (talk) 07:52, 22 April 2013 (EDT) It is a more types of mortar. But this is basic. When will complement those minor deviations - in types. I therefore I´m did not enter the type of caliber, but a general "infantry mortar".--Pandolfini (talk) 08:11, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
- The last two images look more like 60mm M2 Mortars. The bi-pod design is what gives it away. As for the one they are carrying in the first image it is definitely larger, is it meant to be the same weapon? I think this first mortar may be a lightweight mock up for shots where it is being carried. The base plate has a simple loose cup in the middle rather than the more complicated attachment seen on a real mortar, and it also looks way too big to be being carried that easily considering how thick and heavy duty mortar base plates need to be. --commando552 (talk) 09:25, 22 April 2013 (EDT) Maybe there is a more types. I've put these main mortar of Japanese troops.--Pandolfini (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2013 (EDT)
Greg was right! After a long search and comparison I managed to find this a specific type. This is the Chinese (Taiwan) T70 60 mm mortar.--Pandolfini (talk) 11:40, 27 April 2013 (EDT)
M2s or audio/visual mismatch?
I think the M1 carbines might actually be the selective-fire M2s; either that or they dubbed automatic fire in whenever they were shown firing. In several scenes, you can clearly hear automatic gunfire from them (it's not the machine guns as it's a different sound), though looking at one when it does, it appears to only be ejecting one round at a time.--Big D; 8/4/2013, 19:36