Talk:Mauser Rifle Series: Difference between revisions
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[[File:PublicEnemiesMauserA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser sporting rifle by Emil Kerner & Sohn. Actual Hero Mauser used by [[Christian Bale]] in ''[[Public Enemies]]''.- 9.3mm x 57mm]]
[[File:ColombianMauser.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colombian Mauser Model 98 - .30-60]]
==1903 Army Model C==
Unless it appears in something, don't post it unless it fills an obvious gap in the model lines or the photo is a movie gun or your own photograph. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 21:49, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
Unless it appears in something, don't post it unless it fills an obvious gap in the model lines or the photo is a movie gun or your own photograph. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 21:49, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
'''1903 Army Model C'''
'''1903 Army Model C'''
[[Image:1903 Army Model C.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser 1903 Army Model C - 7x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:1903 Army Model C.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mauser 1903 Army Model C - 7x57mm Mauser]]
From 1903 until 1930, this very simple hunting rifle was bought into military circles as the cheapest model. Most C-Models have military actions and chambers; there are also individual editions with civilian actions.
From 1903 until 1930, this very simple hunting rifle was bought into military circles as the cheapest model. Most C-Models have military actions and chambers; there are also individual editions with civilian actions.
[[Image:PublicEnemiesMauserA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mauser sporting rifle by Emil Kerner & Sohn. Actual Hero Mauser used by [[Christian Bale]] in ''[[Public Enemies]]''.- 9.3mm x 57mm]]
I thought one of the distinguishing features of the Zhongzheng was the fact that it had a straight bolt handle not a down-turned one like this. To me this looks like a Zhongzheng with a Kar98K bolt. Is this a mix and match or a variant? i ask because on the ''[[Woman Knight of Mirror Lake, The (Jian hu nu xia Qiu Jin)]]'' page you can see a mix of Zhongzhengs with both straight and down-turned bolt handles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:38, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
I thought one of the distinguishing features of the Zhongzheng was the fact that it had a straight bolt handle not a down-turned one like this. To me this looks like a Zhongzheng with a Kar98K bolt. Is this a mix and match or a variant? i ask because on the ''[[Woman Knight of Mirror Lake, The (Jian hu nu xia Qiu Jin)]]'' page you can see a mix of Zhongzhengs with both straight and down-turned bolt handles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:38, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
:According to Wikipedia, Type 1 had a straight bolt handle, and Type 2 was a bit shorter, with a bent bolt handle. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:18, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
::Ah ok, this is a type 1 then:[[File:Type Zhongzheng type 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:30, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
:::I can't tell if it's longer or not. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:39, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
::::The link in the citation had [http://www.swallow.com.tw/military/images/chinese/c007.gif this image]. The two rifles above look to be the same length. I assume the bolts would be interchangeable. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:41, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
:::::I don't believe that source is right, the "classic" Zhongzheng is the one I posted above and that is the one that appears most commonly in films, yet it is neither of the ones pictured there. These look like a Kar98k and a post WWI Gewehr 98. I'm an expert in neither Mauser rifles nor Chinese though, so my interpretation could be way off. I can't actually find any source other than Wikipedia itself that talks about a Type 1/2 difference so I'm beginning to think it doesn't exist, and that the top rifle is just fitted with a turned down bolt (which I'm assuming would be more common these days, and being a screen used movie gun I can imagine it has been repaired over the years). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 21:00, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
::::::The surplus rifle forum linked to [http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/china1.html this]. No pictures though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:18, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
== Waht is The MAUSER rifle ? ==
[[File:Mauser1888sporter.jpeg|600px|none|thumb]]
File name is "Mauser1888sporter" This is Gew 88 ??- [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] ([[User talk:KINKI'boy|talk]]) 19:29, 21 July 2013 (JST)
The [http://www.nramuseum.org/the-museum/the-galleries/ever-vigilant/case-68-presidential-pieces-royal-guns-of-royal-houses/spandau-m1888-sporter-rifle-attributed-to-kaiser-wilhelm.aspx National Firearms Museum] lists it as a custom Gew.88 sporting rifle made for Kaiser Wilhelm II. However, it is obviously not a Gew.88 action, but appears to be a one-off design heavily influenced by Mauser, based on the Mauser-style box magazine and provision for loading via stripper clips. The bolt also appears to be a combination of Mannlicher and Mauser features, with 2 forward lugs, a possibly separate Mannlicher-type bolt face, Mauser-style cocking-piece and combination dust-cover/bolt shroud and safety. It is marked "Gewehrfabrik Spandau 1898".--[[User:Stomper|Stomper]] ([[User talk:Stomper|talk]]) 17:15, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
Update: This rifle was designed by August Louis Schlegelmilch; the head of the design department at the Imperial German arsenal at Spandau. He was the man chiefly responsible for the Gewehr 1888 bolt design. A variant of this rifle competed against Paul Mauser's design to become the Gewehr 1898.--[[User:Stomper|Stomper]] ([[User talk:Stomper|talk]]) 21:44, 2 January 2017 (EST)
== "Other Models" ==
The "Other Models" section states that "This section is specifically for bolt action rifles which are not common enough to merit their own page but are technically not Mauser rifles." Why is "not common enough" a reason to not give them their own page, when we make individual pages on guns with single digit appearances? Pages of guns are for variants of guns with related designs, and these guns are specifically stated to be "technically not Mauser rifles". They should be split. --[[User:Wuzh|Wuzh]] ([[User talk:Wuzh|talk]]) 00:50, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
:As Gewehr 88 is NOT a Mauser rifle, it must be moved to its own page, I agree. Which will be done now. --[[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:08, 14 December 2020 (EST)
Unless it appears in something, don't post it unless it fills an obvious gap in the model lines or the photo is a movie gun or your own photograph. Thanks. MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 21:49, 24 March 2013 (EDT)
1903 Army Model C
From 1903 until 1930, this very simple hunting rifle was bought into military circles as the cheapest model. Most C-Models have military actions and chambers; there are also individual editions with civilian actions.
Gewehr 88
The Gewhr 88 pictured here isn't actually a typical Gewehr 88 with the straight stock and barrel jacket, it's a Turkish M88/05/35, which is fitted with a Mauser-style stock, handguard and barrel as part of their 1930s upgrade programme to convery the many weapons in their inventory to 8mm and fit them for the stock / bayonet of the Mauser 1903. I actually used to own one myself - surprisingly accurate rifle. Ended up trading it for an original WW1 configuration Turkish Geweht 88/05. - Nyles
I have 6 types of Gew 88, and photos of each. If I knew how to upload, I would. I will be happy to furnish imagesMichaelZWilliamson (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2012 (EST)
Zhongzheng image
A question for the Mauser experts out there, is the current image for the Type Zhongzheng wrong?
I thought one of the distinguishing features of the Zhongzheng was the fact that it had a straight bolt handle not a down-turned one like this. To me this looks like a Zhongzheng with a Kar98K bolt. Is this a mix and match or a variant? i ask because on the Woman Knight of Mirror Lake, The (Jian hu nu xia Qiu Jin) page you can see a mix of Zhongzhengs with both straight and down-turned bolt handles. --commando552 (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
According to Wikipedia, Type 1 had a straight bolt handle, and Type 2 was a bit shorter, with a bent bolt handle. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:18, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
I can't tell if it's longer or not. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
The link in the citation had this image. The two rifles above look to be the same length. I assume the bolts would be interchangeable. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:41, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
I don't believe that source is right, the "classic" Zhongzheng is the one I posted above and that is the one that appears most commonly in films, yet it is neither of the ones pictured there. These look like a Kar98k and a post WWI Gewehr 98. I'm an expert in neither Mauser rifles nor Chinese though, so my interpretation could be way off. I can't actually find any source other than Wikipedia itself that talks about a Type 1/2 difference so I'm beginning to think it doesn't exist, and that the top rifle is just fitted with a turned down bolt (which I'm assuming would be more common these days, and being a screen used movie gun I can imagine it has been repaired over the years). --commando552 (talk) 21:00, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
The surplus rifle forum linked to this. No pictures though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
File name is "Mauser1888sporter" This is Gew 88 ??- KINKI'boy (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2013 (JST)
The National Firearms Museum lists it as a custom Gew.88 sporting rifle made for Kaiser Wilhelm II. However, it is obviously not a Gew.88 action, but appears to be a one-off design heavily influenced by Mauser, based on the Mauser-style box magazine and provision for loading via stripper clips. The bolt also appears to be a combination of Mannlicher and Mauser features, with 2 forward lugs, a possibly separate Mannlicher-type bolt face, Mauser-style cocking-piece and combination dust-cover/bolt shroud and safety. It is marked "Gewehrfabrik Spandau 1898".--Stomper (talk) 17:15, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
Update: This rifle was designed by August Louis Schlegelmilch; the head of the design department at the Imperial German arsenal at Spandau. He was the man chiefly responsible for the Gewehr 1888 bolt design. A variant of this rifle competed against Paul Mauser's design to become the Gewehr 1898.--Stomper (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2017 (EST)
"Other Models"
The "Other Models" section states that "This section is specifically for bolt action rifles which are not common enough to merit their own page but are technically not Mauser rifles." Why is "not common enough" a reason to not give them their own page, when we make individual pages on guns with single digit appearances? Pages of guns are for variants of guns with related designs, and these guns are specifically stated to be "technically not Mauser rifles". They should be split. --Wuzh (talk) 00:50, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
As Gewehr 88 is NOT a Mauser rifle, it must be moved to its own page, I agree. Which will be done now. --Greg-Z (talk) 03:08, 14 December 2020 (EST)
