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Can someone ID the type of ammo used ? It doesn't look like a 9mm or .45 shell, maybe an older ammunition - [[User:Sebastian2A|Sebastian2A]] ([[User talk:Sebastian2A|talk]]) 08:16, 4 April 2013 (EDT) | Can someone ID the type of ammo used ? It doesn't look like a 9mm or .45 shell, maybe an older ammunition - [[User:Sebastian2A|Sebastian2A]] ([[User talk:Sebastian2A|talk]]) 08:16, 4 April 2013 (EDT) | ||
Clearly, the spent casings have a neck on them at the bullet end. The neck looks smaller than the body of the casing at the rim. I know of only one somewhat popular round with such a neck - the .357 Sig. Sig Sauer necked down a .40 Cal casing to hold a 9mm projectile. This increases the velocity of the bullet. According to a policeman I know who carries a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357 Sig, the round has a "lightening bolt" effect when it hits someone, and motivates all but the most determined adversaries to stop resisting. I imagine it makes a good assassin round for that reason. I know of only one other somewhat popular round with a neck like that - the 5.7x28 mm round for the FN Five Seven pistol. That pistol makes a loud bang, and the cartridges impart such velocity on some of the bullets as to penetrate some bullet-proof vests and the metal and glass on automobiles. | |||
As to the pistol from which Coogan fired those rounds, I doubt that he used a Five-Seven because those don't have the popularity of 9mm, and that could make it easier for police to find the shooter. So, even though the neck of the casing looks longer than the .357 Sig, I will guess that Coogan fired .357 Sig cartridges. I don't know of a Browning Hi Power chambered for .357 Sig, but until recently Browning offered a .40 Cal version, and gunsmiths could easily machine a barrel chambered for the .357 Sig. I have a hard time imagining Coogan wasting money on that when he could have purchased a Sig Sauer P 229 already chambered in .357 Sig. Anyway, Browning never has, to my knowledge, provided a Hi Power pistol chambered for a necked-down casing like those the film shows that pistol ejecting. | |||
[[User:Bobhurt|Bobhurt]] ([[User talk:Bobhurt|talk]]) 00:32, 4 January 2015 (EST) | |||
:Um, we're looking at a Hollywood movie here, not a documentary about a real assassin. He chose a blank because Coogan isn't real but wrongful death lawsuits are. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:43, 4 January 2015 (EST) | |||
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What would of happened if a shotgun that's sawed off so much were to be fired in real life? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:13, 30 November 2012 (EST) | What would of happened if a shotgun that's sawed off so much were to be fired in real life? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:13, 30 November 2012 (EST) | ||
Saw the film yesterday. It sure looked like a 1911 to me. What's odd, though, is the bottlenecked cartridges the pistol ejected. Maybe .30 Luger? The Browning Hi Power has been chambered in that caliber, and even a limited run of Colt Commanders in the 1970's. But was that a real pistol firing real ammo with a lot of editing (which is apparent in the scene)? Can't imagine a prop gun chambered for an odd caliber when 9mm blanks are usually what is used. | Saw the film yesterday. It sure looked like a 1911 to me. What's odd, though, is the bottlenecked cartridges the pistol ejected. Maybe .30 Luger? The Browning Hi Power has been chambered in that caliber, and even a limited run of Colt Commanders in the 1970's. But was that a real pistol firing real ammo with a lot of editing (which is apparent in the scene)? Can't imagine a prop gun chambered for an odd caliber when 9mm blanks are usually what is used. | ||
found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 20:47, 27 April 2017 (EDT) | |||
==Some other guns in the movie to look out for when it's on DVD== | ==Some other guns in the movie to look out for when it's on DVD== | ||
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:The sawed off shotgun in the movie was an exact representation of the shotgun described in the novel, right down to the tips of the green shotgun shells protruding from the barrels. It's been a long time since I read Cogan's Trade,but some things juststick with you. Greatly enjoyed the movie, by the way. | :The sawed off shotgun in the movie was an exact representation of the shotgun described in the novel, right down to the tips of the green shotgun shells protruding from the barrels. It's been a long time since I read Cogan's Trade,but some things juststick with you. Greatly enjoyed the movie, by the way. | ||
::Several people seems to have a problem witht the economic references.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 23:17, 4 December 2012 (EST) | ::Several people seems to have a problem witht the economic references.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 23:17, 4 December 2012 (EST) | ||
:::The director explained in the making of that the poker game robberies were an allegory to the 2008 economic collapse. The poker games had few regulations, and guys like Markie and Squirrel found ways to exploit the system. As for the movie itself, it felt like a lot was cut out of it. Sam Shepard was only in the film for about 30 seconds, and all of Mickey's scenes seem wasted when we don't see what actually happens to him. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:14, 4 May 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Unknown pistol == | |||
Cogan uses an unknown pistol in a deleted scene to execute "The Doctor." | |||
[[Image: KTS_pistol_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|May some sort of SIG-Sauer?]] | |||
I agree, I think it looks like a SIG-Sauer P250 Compact. ~ ADMICK | |||
Latest revision as of 00:47, 28 April 2017
Cogan's Mossberg 500 "Cruiser" accessories
The foregrip looks to be a Surefire 323 series and the tri-rail mounted in front of it may be LASERLYTE ADP-TRIR-140. I can't tell if the tri-rail adapter is actually fastened down, in the detail below it appears to be canted off center.
- D.K. Green, the General Manager of LaserLyte, confirmed on 10/2/12 that that is indeed a LaserLyte ADP-TRIR-140 tri-rail adapter. bunni (talk) 13:47, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
- I think that this same Mossberg was also used by Jim Caviezel in Person of Interest. -MT2008 (talk) 10:02, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
Coogan's automatic
The automatic Coogan uses in the back of the car at the traffic lights looked like a Browning High Power to me, probably a Mk. III due to the fixed sights it seemed to have. --cool-breeze (talk) 21:05, 2 October 2012 (EDT)
- It looked like more of a M1911 to me. I also saw a him with a Colt Detective Special.
I also think he was using a 1911 in the trailerBristow8411 (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
- i think it was a Colt Commander--Dillinger (talk) 02:41, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
- Seeing it in the cinema I can almost guarentee it's a Browning, the slide profile and the front matches that of a Browning. --cool-breeze (talk) 05:36, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
Can someone ID the type of ammo used ? It doesn't look like a 9mm or .45 shell, maybe an older ammunition - Sebastian2A (talk) 08:16, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
Clearly, the spent casings have a neck on them at the bullet end. The neck looks smaller than the body of the casing at the rim. I know of only one somewhat popular round with such a neck - the .357 Sig. Sig Sauer necked down a .40 Cal casing to hold a 9mm projectile. This increases the velocity of the bullet. According to a policeman I know who carries a Sig Sauer P229 chambered for .357 Sig, the round has a "lightening bolt" effect when it hits someone, and motivates all but the most determined adversaries to stop resisting. I imagine it makes a good assassin round for that reason. I know of only one other somewhat popular round with a neck like that - the 5.7x28 mm round for the FN Five Seven pistol. That pistol makes a loud bang, and the cartridges impart such velocity on some of the bullets as to penetrate some bullet-proof vests and the metal and glass on automobiles.
As to the pistol from which Coogan fired those rounds, I doubt that he used a Five-Seven because those don't have the popularity of 9mm, and that could make it easier for police to find the shooter. So, even though the neck of the casing looks longer than the .357 Sig, I will guess that Coogan fired .357 Sig cartridges. I don't know of a Browning Hi Power chambered for .357 Sig, but until recently Browning offered a .40 Cal version, and gunsmiths could easily machine a barrel chambered for the .357 Sig. I have a hard time imagining Coogan wasting money on that when he could have purchased a Sig Sauer P 229 already chambered in .357 Sig. Anyway, Browning never has, to my knowledge, provided a Hi Power pistol chambered for a necked-down casing like those the film shows that pistol ejecting. Bobhurt (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2015 (EST)
- Um, we're looking at a Hollywood movie here, not a documentary about a real assassin. He chose a blank because Coogan isn't real but wrongful death lawsuits are. Evil Tim (talk) 01:43, 4 January 2015 (EST)
Here are also two closer shots of the gun itself:
- That looks like a Hi-Power to me. As for the shell, I'm guessing that's just a crimped 9mm blank casing. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
Sawed off shotgun
What would of happened if a shotgun that's sawed off so much were to be fired in real life? Excalibur01 (talk) 12:13, 30 November 2012 (EST) Saw the film yesterday. It sure looked like a 1911 to me. What's odd, though, is the bottlenecked cartridges the pistol ejected. Maybe .30 Luger? The Browning Hi Power has been chambered in that caliber, and even a limited run of Colt Commanders in the 1970's. But was that a real pistol firing real ammo with a lot of editing (which is apparent in the scene)? Can't imagine a prop gun chambered for an odd caliber when 9mm blanks are usually what is used.
found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4--Seekerdude (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
Some other guns in the movie to look out for when it's on DVD
1. One of the guys who kidnapped Ray Liotta had a heavy-barrel six-shot revolver of some type. The other two revolvers seen are both five-shooters. The one that the robber in the beginning used had a rounded wooden grip and no back sights, and the one that Brad Pitt carries has an extremely small frame and cylinder. 2. That's definately an M1911 that Brad Pitt fires in the back of the car. I think digital effects made the bullet casings, they looked fake-ish, at least to me. 3. Sam Shepard's character used what I believe to be a Glock the first time that he and Kenny beat up Marky. The police at the shopping mall also use Glocks, and you get a pretty nice close up of one in that scene. 4. I found it a huge shame that they didn't fire that ultra-sawed-off shotgun in the film, mostly because I'd love to know exactly what would happen if someone did. Any ideas, anyone? Like, would a shotgun that cut down even work?--Sparticus (talk) 21:24, 2 December 2012 (EST)
Your Opinion on the Film
Once again me bothering you with that question, thanks for answer.--Dillinger (talk) 22:18, 2 December 2012 (EST)
- The sawed off shotgun in the movie was an exact representation of the shotgun described in the novel, right down to the tips of the green shotgun shells protruding from the barrels. It's been a long time since I read Cogan's Trade,but some things juststick with you. Greatly enjoyed the movie, by the way.
- Several people seems to have a problem witht the economic references.--Dillinger (talk) 23:17, 4 December 2012 (EST)
- The director explained in the making of that the poker game robberies were an allegory to the 2008 economic collapse. The poker games had few regulations, and guys like Markie and Squirrel found ways to exploit the system. As for the movie itself, it felt like a lot was cut out of it. Sam Shepard was only in the film for about 30 seconds, and all of Mickey's scenes seem wasted when we don't see what actually happens to him. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2013 (EDT)
- Several people seems to have a problem witht the economic references.--Dillinger (talk) 23:17, 4 December 2012 (EST)
Unknown pistol
Cogan uses an unknown pistol in a deleted scene to execute "The Doctor."
I agree, I think it looks like a SIG-Sauer P250 Compact. ~ ADMICK