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First of it isn't a Schofield based on the hammer being too far back. Also, there is a cut-out on the right side of the recoil shield such as for a loading gate or to put percussion caps onto the nipples. As there is no obvious loading gate on the part that is shown that rules out the SAA or a cartridge conversion, along with the fact that there is a large frame screw at the bottom with a smaller pin behind and above it which matches the Colt 1860 but not the SAA or Remington 1858 New Army (the cut-out in the recoil shield is also too large for the Rem). You do not see the whole gun so can't tell for sure, but comparing to the other guns that appear in the film I would go with it being a stock Colt 1860. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:10, 10 March 2013 (EDT) | First of it isn't a Schofield based on the hammer being too far back. Also, there is a cut-out on the right side of the recoil shield such as for a loading gate or to put percussion caps onto the nipples. As there is no obvious loading gate on the part that is shown that rules out the SAA or a cartridge conversion, along with the fact that there is a large frame screw at the bottom with a smaller pin behind and above it which matches the Colt 1860 but not the SAA or Remington 1858 New Army (the cut-out in the recoil shield is also too large for the Rem). You do not see the whole gun so can't tell for sure, but comparing to the other guns that appear in the film I would go with it being a stock Colt 1860. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:10, 10 March 2013 (EDT) | ||
:I'm a little confused here, so you're saying that Bronc (the guy who's not Sam Rockwell) is NOT holding a Schofield? And you're saying that Sam Rockwell is using a Colt 1860? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:47, 10 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
::No, I'm only talking about Doc's holstered revolver here. I don't know what revolver Doc uses at other times but in the shot above I think it is a Colt 1860. The only reason I mentioned the Schofield is that as the caption currently stands it implies it is undetermined whether Doc's holstered revolver is a Schofield, which it definitely isn't. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:56, 10 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::Oh, I'll clear that up then. First Bronc had the Schofield, then Doc took it away from him when the tables turned. When they teamed up, it looks like Doc gave it back to him. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:58, 10 March 2013 (EDT) | |||
== S&W Russian Model, not a Schofield == | |||
Actually the "Schofield" depicted is not a Schofield at all. This is a S&W Russian Model. It is very similar to the Schofield in that it is based off the S&W Model 3. If you look closely at the first picture you can see what looks like a lanyard ring on the bottom of the grip, the Schofield was never equipped with a lanyard ring. Also, looking at the first and second picture just below the trigger guard you can see an extra spur that all Russian models have; in the second picture you can see where Doc is actually holding the spur with his middle finger. Back to the first picture, right behind the hammer you can see that frame spurs out and the grip has a much thinner profile than a Schofield would. A real Schofield frame had a uninterrupted curved backstrap, but the one depicted curves to the grip and then drops off. Finally, the barrel locking mechanism is not the modified lockup developed for the Schofield; this is the same locking mechanism from the original Model 3 that was carried over to the Russian Model. | |||
[[File:C&A Schofield 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
[[File:C&A Schofield 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
:Thanks, I'll change it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:07, 10 April 2014 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:07, 10 April 2014
Anyone know what kind of lever gun Daniel Craig is using on the poster? Looks kinda like a Yellow Boy, but I can't be sure.
Jake's pistol at the end (SPOILER)
It's a Talk Page, but I though I'd put spoiler anyway. When Jake and Ella go into the ship, they each have a revolver, and she gives hers to him after a bit. When he gets attacked by the alien he injured before, he loses both, and when he leaves he takes a rifle from the pile, and one revolver in his holster. For those who are better with this era of firearms than me, which revolver did he take out of the ship with him, his or hers? I'm just wondering, as I couldn't tell. I would've taken hers, something to remember her by ;) Alex T Snow 02:47, 27 December 2011 (CST)
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At the end of the film, Ella gives Jake her revolver before she heads on into the alien spacecraft. He tucks it in his pants. In the caverns, she has a Remington 1858 New Army, but that does not appear to be the gun tucked in Jake's pants. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:43, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
Doc's revolver
I only bring it up as there is discussion of the swapping back and forth of the Schofield on the main page, but I think that the holstered revolver used by Doc in this picture is a Colt 1860 Army:
First of it isn't a Schofield based on the hammer being too far back. Also, there is a cut-out on the right side of the recoil shield such as for a loading gate or to put percussion caps onto the nipples. As there is no obvious loading gate on the part that is shown that rules out the SAA or a cartridge conversion, along with the fact that there is a large frame screw at the bottom with a smaller pin behind and above it which matches the Colt 1860 but not the SAA or Remington 1858 New Army (the cut-out in the recoil shield is also too large for the Rem). You do not see the whole gun so can't tell for sure, but comparing to the other guns that appear in the film I would go with it being a stock Colt 1860. --commando552 (talk) 20:10, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
- I'm a little confused here, so you're saying that Bronc (the guy who's not Sam Rockwell) is NOT holding a Schofield? And you're saying that Sam Rockwell is using a Colt 1860? --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:47, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
- No, I'm only talking about Doc's holstered revolver here. I don't know what revolver Doc uses at other times but in the shot above I think it is a Colt 1860. The only reason I mentioned the Schofield is that as the caption currently stands it implies it is undetermined whether Doc's holstered revolver is a Schofield, which it definitely isn't. --commando552 (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
- Oh, I'll clear that up then. First Bronc had the Schofield, then Doc took it away from him when the tables turned. When they teamed up, it looks like Doc gave it back to him. --Funkychinaman (talk) 20:58, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
- No, I'm only talking about Doc's holstered revolver here. I don't know what revolver Doc uses at other times but in the shot above I think it is a Colt 1860. The only reason I mentioned the Schofield is that as the caption currently stands it implies it is undetermined whether Doc's holstered revolver is a Schofield, which it definitely isn't. --commando552 (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2013 (EDT)
S&W Russian Model, not a Schofield
Actually the "Schofield" depicted is not a Schofield at all. This is a S&W Russian Model. It is very similar to the Schofield in that it is based off the S&W Model 3. If you look closely at the first picture you can see what looks like a lanyard ring on the bottom of the grip, the Schofield was never equipped with a lanyard ring. Also, looking at the first and second picture just below the trigger guard you can see an extra spur that all Russian models have; in the second picture you can see where Doc is actually holding the spur with his middle finger. Back to the first picture, right behind the hammer you can see that frame spurs out and the grip has a much thinner profile than a Schofield would. A real Schofield frame had a uninterrupted curved backstrap, but the one depicted curves to the grip and then drops off. Finally, the barrel locking mechanism is not the modified lockup developed for the Schofield; this is the same locking mechanism from the original Model 3 that was carried over to the Russian Model.
- Thanks, I'll change it. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:07, 10 April 2014 (EDT)