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Actually, in the second trailer, it seems that John McClane Jr.(Jai Courtney) is using the SA58 Para Tactical Carbine, and not the FN SCAR-H CQC, like his father does.

P228R?

I will admit that I am not the best at IDing guns, but the supposed P228R looks much more like a P226R based on the length of the slide and the overall size.--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 00:48, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Cole Hauser mix-up...

Since I saw the first teaser for this film, and after having visited this page, something has been chewing me from the inside out with the character Collins. Then I realized; unless Cole Hauser's had some extensive plastic surgery done to his face, he hasn't appeared in any of the trailers yet.

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ERGO, THIS GUY IS NOT Cole Hauser.

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THIS GUY IS.

I don't know who made the initial identification based-on who-knows-what, but that guy is actually a guy named Radivoje Bukvic. (IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1366568/ ). None of the trailers give the character above any name, so I imagine how someone would have identified him as Collins, since he appears to be the top henchman of the main villain based on the trailers. That character is actually a a character named 'Alik', played by Bukvic.

I know what you're thinking, Radivoje Bukvic's imfdb page has an image of this guy:

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A guy.

But that's not him. This guy is:

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Radivoje Bukvic.

The first guy is someone totally different, someone who I couldn't identify even from Taken's IMDB credentials.

I'm obviously going to correct said errors, but what bug's me the most is, hasn't anyone else noticed that the guy in the trailers is not Cole Hauser? --Warejaws (talk) 16:10, 22 January 2013 (EST)

This has been bugging me as well. I certainly agree the guy in the trailers doesn't look like Hauser, and I haven't spotted him in any of the media related to the film.--Leigh Burne (talk) 03:42, 23 January 2013 (EST)

Yeah, it's a bit surprising, since he's supposed to be the main villain's right hand, and he hasn't appeared in any AGDTDH media. Maybe he's one of those menacing, Bane type of bad guys who work in the background shadows, pulling all kinds of Jedi mind tricks on the good guys?... --Warejaws (talk) 06:22, 23 January 2013 (EST)

I just saw the movie last night--Cole Hauser's character is not a bad guy, but the partner to Jack. He only gets a few minutes in one scene. --Mikesmith (talk) 16:05, 20 February 2013 (EST)

Why right-handed?

Anyone want to speculate why John McClane is firing most of the guns (except the shotguns) right-handed? I believe in all the other movies he fired everything left-handed and it doesn't look like he's been wounded on the left side. --Ben41 (talk) 20:05, 22 January 2013 (EST)

The only explanation I could think of is that maybe there was an issue with hot brass flying into him? Looking at his page, he's mainly used pistols, where this is not an issue, the M4 in Tears of the Sun, which has a brass deflector to prevent such things, and the MP5/HK94 in two Die Hards. Not being a lefty, this has never come up for me. --Funkychinaman (talk) 23:19, 22 January 2013 (EST)

With most rifles with a conventional layout it wouldn't be a problem firing them left handed. However it probably is if you shoot them from the hip like in most movies, as the ejection port is relatively further back, so the cases have a much greater chance of hitting you (if not in the face then definitely in the chest or your other arm). If its a gun with a reciprocating charging handle it would also be cycling very close to the actor if fired left handed from the hip. --commando552 (talk) 07:38, 23 January 2013 (EST)

In the new GI Joe movie, he is seen firing a SCAR-L left handed with no problems. Maybe it's just the situation he's in. The SCAR series, you can change the charging handle to the other side. Excalibur01 (talk) 08:35, 23 January 2013 (EST)

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McClane fires the AK-104.

I figured that it was due to Bruce Willis's right eye dominance. You can tell that he uses his right eye while shooting pistols, and most of the time when he shoots a two handed weapon it is from the hip. In Looper he fires the P90 right handed and shoulders it. over the years Bruce has improved in his weapons handling and i figured that he had learned to shoot right handed with rifles. Anyway, there's my two cents--One shot is all it takes. (talk) 20:41, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

additional guns not mentioned so far

New user, first post, so I'm not going to try editing the main page yet, but thought I would throw a couple things in here for others to work on after seeing the movie last night.

1. Rooftop snipers at the courthouse appear to have large caliber sniper rifles, probably .50 BMG It can be seen around :32 in this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9uT2wQFC0

2. I'm pretty sure I spotted the CQC version of the Steyer AUG A3 seen here: http://www.steyrauga3cqc.com/ The front sling attachment is very distinctive. I also saw grenade launchers on some of them. They were so loaded up with accessories it was hard to identify some of the guns at first! I don't think the standard A3 has the rails to hold everything they had on there... --Mikesmith (talk) 16:26, 20 February 2013 (EST)

Rooftop sniper has a Barrett M82/M107. Also, a lot of Russian prison guards or whatever seem to have AK-103s.--Mandolin (talk) 17:34, 20 February 2013 (EST)

Mclane's sidearm

Could this be the only Die Hard film Where John Mclane doesnt carry a personal sidearm like he did in the other four?? Cause i saw the movie two weeks ago and the only time i saw Mclane fire a pistol by himself was at a firing range. I remember in the first three he carried Beretta 92FS and in the 4th one he carried a Sig Saur. So my question is, is this the only Die Hard Movie where he doesnt carry a personal sidearm? or could it be because he was on "vacation" in Russia and thought that he had no need for one? I'm Confused, help me out here. (Noahrussell007)

I kinda doubt a simple cop would be allowed to take a weapon into another country...--Leigh Burne (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2013 (EST)

Unless you are a Federal agent granted permission to operate in said country, you are not allowed weapons overseas. Even while operating in country, the host country has every right to ask for your guns or you leave. Excalibur01 (talk) 13:10, 27 February 2013 (EST)

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McClane holds the shotgun.

Please ID this rifle

Not sure about this M4 type rifle. --Ben41 (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

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I think it is a Patriot Ordnance Factory P416 with a 7.25" barrel:

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Patriot Ordnance Factory P416, 7.25" barrel - 5.56x45mm

--commando552 (talk) 16:05, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

Thanks.

Please help ID this pistol

Not sure about this pistol. Zoraki? --Ben41 (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

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It looked like a Glock 19 with a threaded barrel, not sure though. --Warejaws (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2013 (EDT)

Not too sure about that. It appears to be slanted on the top half of the slide, with slide serrations on the front and back. I would think Walther PPQ, but it's hard to tell. Any other ideas? --Mormonpowerranger521 2:33, 6 June 2013 (MST)

SIG-Sauer P250 Compact with threated barrel?

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SIG-Sauer P250 Compact with threated barrel - 9x19mm.

Andrey Karchikyan (talk) 00:21, 22 February 2014 (MSK)

The SIG 250 doesn't have front serrations on the slide. It's been identified as a Walther PPQ.--Ben41 (talk) 17:22, 21 February 2014 (EST)

extra

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McClane runs while holding an AK-104.

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McClane and son fire AK-104s.

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McClane fires the AK-104.

Extended/Alternate Scenes

Gun shop

So if you're a wanted fugitive, or a foreigner, or in Jack's case, both, where do you go for automatic weapons? In the theatrical cut, Jack went to a cache in a train station locker. In alternate cut, they went to the store. Yes, they WENT TO THE STORE. (The entire sequence is below, since most of the dialogue was in Russian and subtitled anyway.)

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Not a back alley or someone's trunk, but a store front, with AKs in the window display.

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Not just Russian weapons either.

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Jack gets quite specific with what he wants.

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The sales girl is played by Sports Illustrated swimsuit model Anne Vyalitsyna, because of course she is.

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A swimsuit model who knows her guns? Nice...

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They take foreign credit cards, but don't check ID.

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Is this found on the Blu-Ray? Excalibur01 (talk) 15:11, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

I imagine it would be, these are from the regular DVD. You probably wouldn't be able to find it on the rental copies though. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

This is available on the Blu-Ray that contains both the Extended Cut and the Theatrical Cut. --Ben41 (talk) 16:42, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Stolen cars

The cache of weapons in the trunk in the final cut was actually the fourth trunk that the McClane men opened. They're then confronted by a wounded Anton (the guy Jack shot in the beginning) and two of his henchmen, and a brawl ensues.

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The first trunk was just handguns, which was already on the page.

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A Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion, an Sa.25, and a FEG PA-63 in the second trunk.

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Nothing to see here...

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There we are.

--Funkychinaman (talk) 02:38, 15 August 2013 (EDT)

AK-103 and -104

I'm not absolutely sure but I have a guess that AK-103 and -104 in the film are in reality Saiga MK semi-auto carbines. Saiga MK are visually indistinguishable from AK Series 100 and they are available for civilian use. Greg-Z (talk) 11:23, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

I think there is a way to tell the difference but it requires a damn good shot of the selector on the right side. For the AK-104 we kind of have this:

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I am not 100% on this, but I believe that the exported Saigas have no cuts for the semi/full settings as opposed to this which does (instead they have "S" and "F" markings and there is a lug on the selector which rather than engaging in a cut just catches on either the edge of the ejection port or the bottom of the receiver I think). This is not relevant in this case assuming this was filmed in Russian, but the Russian Saigas do something else that can ID them. Here is a pic of a Russian one, and it retains the cuts and Cyrillic markings but additionally has a dimple that the Saiga style selector engages with which is positioned vertically between but ahead of the two original markings. In the cap above you can see this is not present, so I am inclined to say that it is actually an AK-104 rather than a semi MK. For a second I though it did have this dimple but just in a slightly different place but I believe this is just one of the selector markings, as you can also see that the scratch that indicated the travel of the lug on the selector bisects both cuts rather than being further forward as it would be on a Saiga. --commando552 (talk) 12:29, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

So I'm wrong. Thanks for clarification. Greg-Z (talk) 15:22, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

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 I'm obviously going to correct said errors, but what bug's me the most is, hasn't anyone else noticed that the guy in the trailers is not Cole Hauser? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 16:10, 22 January 2013 (EST)
+:This has been bugging me as well. I certainly agree the guy in the trailers doesn't look like Hauser, and I haven't spotted him in any of the media related to the film.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:42, 23 January 2013 (EST)
+::Yeah, it's a bit surprising, since he's supposed to be the main villain's right hand, and he hasn't appeared in any AGDTDH media. Maybe he's one of those menacing, Bane type of bad guys who work in the background shadows, pulling all kinds of Jedi mind tricks on the good guys?... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 06:22, 23 January 2013 (EST)
+:::I just saw the movie last night--Cole Hauser's character is not a bad guy, but the partner to Jack.  He only gets a few minutes in one scene. --[[User:Mikesmith|Mikesmith]] ([[User talk:Mikesmith|talk]]) 16:05, 20 February 2013 (EST)
 == Why right-handed? ==
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 Anyone want to speculate why John McClane is firing most of the guns (except the shotguns) right-handed?  I believe in all the other movies he fired everything left-handed and it doesn't look like he's been wounded on the left side. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:05, 22 January 2013 (EST)
 :The only explanation I could think of is that maybe there was an issue with hot brass flying into him? Looking at his page, he's mainly used pistols, where this is not an issue, the M4 in ''[[Tears of the Sun]]'', which has a brass deflector to prevent such things, and the MP5/HK94 in two ''Die Hard''s. Not being a lefty, this has never come up for me. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 23:19, 22 January 2013 (EST)
+::With most rifles with a conventional layout it wouldn't be a problem firing them left handed. However it probably is if you shoot them from the hip like in most movies, as the ejection port is relatively further back, so the cases have a much greater chance of hitting you (if not in the face then definitely in the chest or your other arm). If its a gun with a reciprocating charging handle it would also be cycling very close to the actor if fired left handed from the hip. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:38, 23 January 2013 (EST)
+In the new GI Joe movie, he is seen firing a SCAR-L left handed with no problems. Maybe it's just the situation he's in. The SCAR series, you can change the charging handle to the other side. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:35, 23 January 2013 (EST)
 [[File:Diehard5-pstill-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
 [[File:DH-AK104-2.jpg|thumb|none|501px|McClane fires the AK-104.]]
+I figured that it was due to Bruce Willis's right eye dominance. You can tell that he uses his right eye while shooting pistols, and most of the time when he shoots a two handed weapon it is from the hip. In [[Looper]] he fires the P90 right handed and shoulders it. over the years Bruce has improved in his weapons handling and i figured that he had learned to shoot right handed with rifles. Anyway, there's my two cents--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 20:41, 11 March 2013 (EDT)
+== additional guns not mentioned so far ==
+New user, first post, so I'm not going to try editing the main page yet, but thought I would throw a couple things in here for others to work on after seeing the movie last night.
+. Rooftop snipers at the courthouse appear to have large caliber sniper rifles, probably .50 BMG  It can be seen around :32 in this trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW9uT2wQFC0
+. I'm pretty sure I spotted the CQC version of the Steyer AUG A3 seen here: http://www.steyrauga3cqc.com/  The front sling attachment is very distinctive.  I also saw grenade launchers on some of them.  They were so loaded up with accessories it was hard to identify some of the guns at first!  I don't think the standard A3 has the rails to hold everything they had on there... --[[User:Mikesmith|Mikesmith]] ([[User talk:Mikesmith|talk]]) 16:26, 20 February 2013 (EST)
+:Rooftop sniper has a Barrett M82/M107. Also, a lot of Russian prison guards or whatever seem to have AK-103s.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 17:34, 20 February 2013 (EST)
+== Mclane's sidearm  ==
+Could this be the only Die Hard film Where John Mclane doesnt carry a personal sidearm like he did in the other four?? Cause i saw the movie two weeks ago and the only time i saw Mclane fire a pistol by himself was at a firing range. I remember in the first three he carried Beretta 92FS and in the 4th one he carried a Sig Saur. So my question is, is this the only Die Hard Movie where he doesnt carry a personal sidearm? or could it be because he was on "vacation" in Russia and thought that he had no need for one? I'm Confused, help me out here. (Noahrussell007)
+:I kinda doubt a simple cop would be allowed to take a weapon into another country...--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 11:54, 27 February 2013 (EST)
+::Unless you are a Federal agent granted permission to operate in said country, you are not allowed weapons overseas. Even while operating in country, the host country has every right to ask for your guns or you leave. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:10, 27 February 2013 (EST)
+[[File:Diehard5-Benelli-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McClane holds the shotgun.]]
+== Please ID this rifle ==
+Not sure about this M4 type rifle. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 15:59, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
+[[File:DH5_229.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+:I think it is a [[Patriot Ordnance Factory P416]] with a 7.25" barrel:[[File:POF P416 7.25 inch.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Patriot Ordnance Factory P416, 7.25" barrel - 5.56x45mm]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:05, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
+::Thanks.
+==Please help ID this pistol==
+Not sure about this pistol. Zoraki? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 19:14, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
+[[File:DH5_209.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
+::It looked like a Glock 19 with a threaded barrel, not sure though. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 19:32, 5 June 2013 (EDT)
+Not too sure about that. It appears to be slanted on the top half of the slide, with slide serrations on the front and back. I would think Walther PPQ, but it's hard to tell. Any other ideas? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 2:33, 6 June 2013 (MST)
+:SIG-Sauer P250 Compact with threated barrel?
+[[Image:SIG P250c left.JPG|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P250 Compact with threated barrel - 9x19mm.]]
+[[User:Andrey Karchikyan|Andrey Karchikyan]] ([[User talk:Andrey Karchikyan|talk]]) 00:21, 22 February 2014 (MSK)
+:: The SIG 250 doesn't have front serrations on the slide.   It's been identified as a Walther PPQ.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 17:22, 21 February 2014 (EST)
+==extra==
+[[File:DH5-AK104-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McClane runs while holding an AK-104.]]
+[[File:DH5-ARSF-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|McClane and son fire AK-104s.]]
+[[File:DH-AK104-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|McClane fires the AK-104.]]
+=Extended/Alternate Scenes=
+==Gun shop==
+So if you're a wanted fugitive, or a foreigner, or in Jack's case, both, where do you go for automatic weapons? In the theatrical cut, Jack went to a cache in a train station locker. In alternate cut, they went to the store. Yes, they WENT TO THE STORE. (The entire sequence is below, since most of the dialogue was in Russian and subtitled anyway.)
+[[File:AGDtDH_D01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not a back alley or someone's trunk, but a store front, with AKs in the window display.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Not just Russian weapons either.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack gets quite specific with what he wants.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sales girl is played by ''Sports Illustrated'' swimsuit model Anne Vyalitsyna, because of course she is.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A swimsuit model who knows her guns? Nice...]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|They take foreign credit cards, but don't check ID.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D27.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
+:Is this found on the Blu-Ray? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:11, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
+::I imagine it would be, these are from the regular DVD. You probably wouldn't be able to find it on the rental copies though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:25, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
+This is available on the Blu-Ray that contains both the Extended Cut and the Theatrical Cut. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 16:42, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
+==Stolen cars==
+The cache of weapons in the trunk in the final cut was actually the fourth trunk that the McClane men opened. They're then confronted by a wounded Anton (the guy Jack shot in the beginning) and two of his henchmen, and a brawl ensues.
+[[File:AGDTDHPistols.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The first trunk was just handguns, which was already on the page.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D29.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion]], an [[Sa.25]], and a [[FEG PA-63]] in the second trunk.]]
+[[File:AGDtDH_D30.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nothing to see here...]]
+[[File:DH5-arsenal-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|There we are.]]
+--[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 02:38, 15 August 2013 (EDT)
+== AK-103 and -104 ==
+I'm not absolutely sure but I have a guess that AK-103 and -104 in the film are in reality ''Saiga MK'' semi-auto carbines. Saiga MK are visually indistinguishable from AK Series 100 and they are available for civilian use. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:23, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
+:I think there is a way to tell the difference but it requires a damn good shot of the selector on the right side. For the AK-104 we kind of have this:[[File:AGDTDHAK104.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]I am not 100% on this, but I believe that the exported Saigas have no cuts for the semi/full settings as opposed to this which does (instead they have "S" and "F" markings and there is a lug on the selector which rather than engaging in a cut just catches on either the edge of the ejection port or the bottom of the receiver I think). This is not relevant in this case assuming this was filmed in Russian, but the Russian Saigas do something else that can ID them. [http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/bolster/Safetylever.jpg Here] is a pic of a Russian one, and it retains the cuts and Cyrillic markings but additionally has a dimple that the Saiga style selector engages with which is positioned vertically between but ahead of the two original markings. In the cap above you can see this is not present, so I am inclined to say that it is actually an AK-104 rather than a semi MK. For a second I though it did have this dimple but just in a slightly different place but I believe this is just one of the selector markings, as you can also see that the scratch that indicated the travel of the lug on the selector bisects both cuts rather than being further forward as it would be on a Saiga. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:29, 25 September 2014 (EDT)
+::So I'm wrong. Thanks for clarification. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:22, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

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P228R?

Cole Hauser mix-up...

Why right-handed?

additional guns not mentioned so far

Mclane's sidearm

Please ID this rifle

Please help ID this pistol

extra

Extended/Alternate Scenes

Gun shop

Stolen cars

AK-103 and -104

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P228R?

Cole Hauser mix-up...

Why right-handed?

additional guns not mentioned so far

Mclane's sidearm

Please ID this rifle

Please help ID this pistol

extra

Extended/Alternate Scenes

Gun shop

Stolen cars

AK-103 and -104

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