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A Glock 29 is a terrible idea. 10mm is already a powerful round, subcompact is going to be near-uncontrollable, especially for a 13-year old. Go with a Glock 26, 36 or perhaps a 27. Also, 10mm Auto is expensive, and 9mm is the worldwide standard. 6.8 SPC is an utterly unproven round, go with readily available 5.56. And why a K7? An MP5SD might be better, considering the K7 incredibly rare. Also, the shotgun needs a stock. A second pistol grip with an M4-style stock would be nice. Recoil could be a major problem for a small female, super-soldier or not.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:37, 8 January 2013 (EST) | A Glock 29 is a terrible idea. 10mm is already a powerful round, subcompact is going to be near-uncontrollable, especially for a 13-year old. Go with a Glock 26, 36 or perhaps a 27. Also, 10mm Auto is expensive, and 9mm is the worldwide standard. 6.8 SPC is an utterly unproven round, go with readily available 5.56. And why a K7? An MP5SD might be better, considering the K7 incredibly rare. Also, the shotgun needs a stock. A second pistol grip with an M4-style stock would be nice. Recoil could be a major problem for a small female, super-soldier or not.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:37, 8 January 2013 (EST) | ||
: In my story, Hanna will be going up against people wearing kevlar, thick leather, and various forms of body armor, so her handgun has to have plenty of stopping power and penetration. What would you recommend, as far as 12-gauge shotguns go? | : In my story, Hanna will be going up against people wearing kevlar, thick leather, and various forms of body armor, so her handgun has to have plenty of stopping power and penetration. What would you recommend, as far as 12-gauge shotguns go? - [[User: 2wingo]] | ||
=== Update === | |||
First of all, thank you to all the users who took the time to offer me advice on my selections, here and elsewhere. Based on said advice, here are the changes I've made to Hanna's armory: | |||
Assault Rifle: The Heckler & Koch G36C (with a vertical foregrip attached) | |||
Shotgun: The 12-gauge Remington 870 "Witness Protection" (she probably won't carry it into combat, just keep it in her apartment in case she's attacked there.) | |||
Handgun: The Gen4 Glock 26 (she'll usually use 12-round magazines) | |||
Submachine Gun: The M3A1 "Grease Gun" (rate of fire decreased from 450 to 350 rounds per minute for greater controllability.) | |||
Sniper Rifle: The Remington Model 81 Woodmaster (chambered in .300 Savage with detachable 15-round box magazine and customize-made detachable scope and supressor). | |||
Any further input on what I would say is a vastly improved list will, of course, be appriciated, and again, thank you all. - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
: A few things to think about. With the submachine gun it would make sense to have one that uses the same caliber as the pistol, and 9mm being rather common worldwide makes the most sense. Same thing with the sniper rifle, .308 is rather common, though not as accurate as other rounds, it would be harder to trace. Otherwise it seems like a good selection. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] ([[User talk:Dover500|talk]]) 21:26, 18 January 2013 (EST) | |||
:: Grease Gun is going to be just as hard to get parts for as the K7 and 450rpm is perfectly controllable. Uzi, MP5A2/A3, or similar 9mm SMG is better. And like Dover500 said, forget the .300 Savage round. .308 is vastly easier to get. Don't forget various sights, suppressors, etc for the guns. And loot the dead. Just like every RPG you've played, grab their ammo, wallets (money, possible fake ID, intel), and weapons/accessories. What you don't use, sell.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 22:49, 18 January 2013 (EST) | |||
=== Update 2.5 === | |||
Once again, thanks to all who offered me advice and suggestions. Here is my current list: | |||
Assault Rifle: Heckler & Koch G36C | |||
Shotgun: 12-gauge Remington 870 "Witness Protection" | |||
Handgun: Gen4 Glock 26 | |||
Submachine Gun: 9mm IMI Mini-Uzi | |||
Sniper Rifle: Thompson Center Arms G2 Contender Rifle (originally chambered in .30-30 Winchester, heavily modified to accept the more ubiquitous .30-06 Springfield; screws and pivot pin also modified to allow the rifle to be assembled and disassembled without tools; end of barrel threaded to accept custom-made suppressor). | |||
Backup Gun: Walther PPS (.40 S&W chambering). | |||
I know most of you suggested that the sniper rifle use the readily-available .308 Winchester, but frankly, the amount of drop it has at long range seemed a bit much compared to the .30-06, which is also very common worldwide with a flatter trajectory and less recoil. - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
::Back-up NEEDS to be 9mm, just for ammo simplicity. Also, .40 S&W tends to have a bit more kick than 9mm, which is bad for a small female with a small gun. Use the 9mm PPS, or try one of the small Kel-tec or Karh pistols. Alternatively, I'd suggest the NAA Guardian or Seecamp LWS in .380 ACP. I've seen the Seecamp in a gun store, it's ''tiny''. Perfect for a small person, and you could hide it anywhere on you. You may want to start a thread in the Off-Topic part of the forum to avoid cluttering this page. Several other have done that, and you can post your story as well.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:38, 10 February 2013 (EST) | |||
:::To be honest, I'd suggest carrying two 26's; one holstered on her hip or maybe in a shoulder holster, and the second holstered at the small of her back. Hope the story goes well, I'm quite partial to the odd fan-fic :D --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 10:52, 10 February 2013 (EST) | |||
== Moved == | |||
I've started a section for my Hanna discussions in the "Off-Topic" area of the forum. - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
== Question regarding the inclusion of the Luger P08 == | |||
While the physical weapon used in the film was a regular 9mm P08, the voiceover (scene 33A, according to the script) referred to it as a ".22 caliber Luger". That means the prop was not supposed to be a standard 9mm P08, but rather a .22 Stoeger-licensed "Luger". Visually similar weapons, but only remotely alike where design is concerned. For those who do not know, Stoeger was granted the license to use the Luger name on weapons it imported as well as manufactured in the US. One of these weapons was essentially a visual copy of the traditional German 9mm P08, but in .22 caliber. No other .22 "Luger" has ever been made, so there is no question that this is the weapon which was supposed to be depicted by the prop. So what we have here is a discrepancy between what the movie says a weapon is, and what it shows that weapon to be. | |||
I am new here, so I am unsure of how this sort of movie error gets handled in the articles. I would assume since the prop used was a 9mm P08 that it should continue to be included in the article as written, but since the movie dialog unquestionably identifies it as being a .22 Stoeger, it seems to me that not making some sort of recognition of the discrepancy in the article would be akin to an error of omission. | |||
I would enjoy hearing your opinions on this, and will defer to your judgment as to how to handle it. | |||
Thanks! | |||
Latest revision as of 23:37, 17 May 2019
NO SPOILERS!!!
This is an ongoing problem with people who make pages here. Tons of folks have NOT seen the movie and just happen upon the page. NO SPOILERS PERIOD! MoviePropMaster2008 15:37, 5 October 2011 (CDT)
Please help ID these weapons that were left out of the page. --Ben41 02:29, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe this is a Vektor SP1. There's a great closeup at 1:46 at http://www.traileraddict.com/clip/hanna/where-am-i (assuming they shot the entire scene with the same gun). Here is a capture of the closeup:
Coulda sworn i saw a luger P08 in the commercial...--74.177.137.240 05:29, 29 March 2011 (CDT)
It might be a Luger, I've never seen a luger with the muzzle facing me so I can't be sure. Here's a screenshot from about 01:46 of http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi984063257:
"HK416"
HK416? I think those might actually be CAS-V rails on M4s. The flip-up front sight is too far forward by the looks of things to be the 416. Just a thought.
- I agree, but think that they aren't even real guns at all, but the Tokyo Marui M4 S-System airsoft gun. IIRC, they are not seen fired (except offscreen) in the film. --Markit 19:01, 10 December 2011 (CST)
- Yeah, they look like the S-System, or at least a similarly-configured M4. Can't be sure because they aren't shown clearly. The shape of the front sight thoroughly proves they aren't 416s, though. Changing. Spartan198 (talk) 07:21, 8 January 2013 (EST)
Character Armory
I am a fanfiction writer. For those of you who are not familiar with the term, fanfiction is is a form of Alternate or Expanded Universe created by the fans of a work, rather than the work's original creator (elaboration available upon request).
For a Hanna fanfiction I have in the works, I plan to give her a personal armory consisting of one of each of the following: an assault rifle, a shotgun, a handgun, and a submachine gun, all given modifications by a gunsmith. After doing countless hours of research on this site and others, I have chosen the following:
The LWRC M6A2 PSD (modified to use the 6.8 Remington SPC cartridge instead of the 5.56 NATO)
The 12-gauge Mossberg 590 Compact Crusier (given a detachable muzzle-break for door-breaching and had the trigger disconnecter removed)
The Glock 29 (uses a modified EFA-2K "Spetsnaz" holster)
The Daewoo K7 (suppressor baffles reinforced to allow continuous full-auto fire without risk of damage, modified to accept ANY 9mm Uzi magazine instead of just the 30-round ones).
My problem is that I have no practical experience with guns, and have no knowledge about any of these weapons aside from what I have read about them, nor if some of these modifications are even possible in real life. So if anyone out there has real experience with any of these firearms and/or knowledge about the realism of their respective modifications, I would greatly appriciate your input.
Well, for one thing, the M6A2 PSD doesn't need to be "modified" to use 6.8 because LWRC offers 6.8mm variants of their M6 line straight from the factory. Still, though, I'd suggest 5.56 instead since it (and its civilian counterpart, .223 Remington, are more widely available in both the US as well as abroad (I'm not aware of 6.8 being offered anywhere else but in the US and no foreign companies to my knowledge make 6.8 SPC rifles) and would be easier for someone like Hanna to get acquire. Spartan198 (talk) 07:43, 8 January 2013 (EST)
- Good point. Maybe I'll change it to an H&K G36C. - User: 2wingo
A Glock 29 is a terrible idea. 10mm is already a powerful round, subcompact is going to be near-uncontrollable, especially for a 13-year old. Go with a Glock 26, 36 or perhaps a 27. Also, 10mm Auto is expensive, and 9mm is the worldwide standard. 6.8 SPC is an utterly unproven round, go with readily available 5.56. And why a K7? An MP5SD might be better, considering the K7 incredibly rare. Also, the shotgun needs a stock. A second pistol grip with an M4-style stock would be nice. Recoil could be a major problem for a small female, super-soldier or not.--Mandolin (talk) 09:37, 8 January 2013 (EST)
- In my story, Hanna will be going up against people wearing kevlar, thick leather, and various forms of body armor, so her handgun has to have plenty of stopping power and penetration. What would you recommend, as far as 12-gauge shotguns go? - User: 2wingo
Update
First of all, thank you to all the users who took the time to offer me advice on my selections, here and elsewhere. Based on said advice, here are the changes I've made to Hanna's armory:
Assault Rifle: The Heckler & Koch G36C (with a vertical foregrip attached)
Shotgun: The 12-gauge Remington 870 "Witness Protection" (she probably won't carry it into combat, just keep it in her apartment in case she's attacked there.)
Handgun: The Gen4 Glock 26 (she'll usually use 12-round magazines)
Submachine Gun: The M3A1 "Grease Gun" (rate of fire decreased from 450 to 350 rounds per minute for greater controllability.)
Sniper Rifle: The Remington Model 81 Woodmaster (chambered in .300 Savage with detachable 15-round box magazine and customize-made detachable scope and supressor).
Any further input on what I would say is a vastly improved list will, of course, be appriciated, and again, thank you all. - User: 2wingo
- A few things to think about. With the submachine gun it would make sense to have one that uses the same caliber as the pistol, and 9mm being rather common worldwide makes the most sense. Same thing with the sniper rifle, .308 is rather common, though not as accurate as other rounds, it would be harder to trace. Otherwise it seems like a good selection. Dover500 (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2013 (EST)
- Grease Gun is going to be just as hard to get parts for as the K7 and 450rpm is perfectly controllable. Uzi, MP5A2/A3, or similar 9mm SMG is better. And like Dover500 said, forget the .300 Savage round. .308 is vastly easier to get. Don't forget various sights, suppressors, etc for the guns. And loot the dead. Just like every RPG you've played, grab their ammo, wallets (money, possible fake ID, intel), and weapons/accessories. What you don't use, sell.--Mandolin (talk) 22:49, 18 January 2013 (EST)
Update 2.5
Once again, thanks to all who offered me advice and suggestions. Here is my current list:
Assault Rifle: Heckler & Koch G36C
Shotgun: 12-gauge Remington 870 "Witness Protection"
Handgun: Gen4 Glock 26
Submachine Gun: 9mm IMI Mini-Uzi
Sniper Rifle: Thompson Center Arms G2 Contender Rifle (originally chambered in .30-30 Winchester, heavily modified to accept the more ubiquitous .30-06 Springfield; screws and pivot pin also modified to allow the rifle to be assembled and disassembled without tools; end of barrel threaded to accept custom-made suppressor).
Backup Gun: Walther PPS (.40 S&W chambering).
I know most of you suggested that the sniper rifle use the readily-available .308 Winchester, but frankly, the amount of drop it has at long range seemed a bit much compared to the .30-06, which is also very common worldwide with a flatter trajectory and less recoil. - User: 2wingo
- Back-up NEEDS to be 9mm, just for ammo simplicity. Also, .40 S&W tends to have a bit more kick than 9mm, which is bad for a small female with a small gun. Use the 9mm PPS, or try one of the small Kel-tec or Karh pistols. Alternatively, I'd suggest the NAA Guardian or Seecamp LWS in .380 ACP. I've seen the Seecamp in a gun store, it's tiny. Perfect for a small person, and you could hide it anywhere on you. You may want to start a thread in the Off-Topic part of the forum to avoid cluttering this page. Several other have done that, and you can post your story as well.--Mandolin (talk) 10:38, 10 February 2013 (EST)
Moved
I've started a section for my Hanna discussions in the "Off-Topic" area of the forum. - User: 2wingo
Question regarding the inclusion of the Luger P08
While the physical weapon used in the film was a regular 9mm P08, the voiceover (scene 33A, according to the script) referred to it as a ".22 caliber Luger". That means the prop was not supposed to be a standard 9mm P08, but rather a .22 Stoeger-licensed "Luger". Visually similar weapons, but only remotely alike where design is concerned. For those who do not know, Stoeger was granted the license to use the Luger name on weapons it imported as well as manufactured in the US. One of these weapons was essentially a visual copy of the traditional German 9mm P08, but in .22 caliber. No other .22 "Luger" has ever been made, so there is no question that this is the weapon which was supposed to be depicted by the prop. So what we have here is a discrepancy between what the movie says a weapon is, and what it shows that weapon to be.
I am new here, so I am unsure of how this sort of movie error gets handled in the articles. I would assume since the prop used was a 9mm P08 that it should continue to be included in the article as written, but since the movie dialog unquestionably identifies it as being a .22 Stoeger, it seems to me that not making some sort of recognition of the discrepancy in the article would be akin to an error of omission.
I would enjoy hearing your opinions on this, and will defer to your judgment as to how to handle it. Thanks!