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Cool page

Just a reminder. How about some descriptions in the screencaps? Just don't forget them. Nothing is more irritating than a screencap with NO explanation as to who is doing what with what gun.. :D Just a reminder. MoviePropMaster2008

Will add them today, just wanted to get the core of the page up last night. They won't be particularly insightful, as this is all from the trailer so will be generic shit like "Dredd fires his pistol" but is better than nothing I suppose. --commando552 04:25, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

Lawgiver

I believe the lawgiver in this movie might be a Vektor CP1. I was looking at one of the screencaps, and i noticed the tell-tale handle of the CP1. Since it was made in south africa, not a stretch, but we'll have to wait and see. spartanlord91

Looking at this production pic its a Glock variant. Think it should go on the main page? --Sidewinder Forge 08:59, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

Thanks for the pic. A Glock of some sort was my guess from the general grip shape in the picture where he is launching the rocket, but that confirms it. However I wouldn't put it on the main page as that looks like it isn't an officially released picture but rather a possibly unauthorised picture that someone has randomly taken on set. As to what specific variant it is, the grip makes it either a 17 or 19 (assuming it is a 9mm). --commando552 11:04, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

According to an article in Empire, it's a "modified, blank-firing Glock 19".--Mandolin 22:07, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

They all appear to be modified 3rd generation Glock 17 in 9mm. --Thejoker (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

What makes you say a 17 rather than the 19 mentioned in the magazine article? The closest I have seen to a picture of the gun itself without the shroud is the 3D render of it in the BTS "Gear" video, where it looks more like a Glock 19. --commando552 (talk) 12:39, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

The guns in question are Glock 17's Gen 3 that have been modified to shoot full auto. Two of my friends were part of the cast Paul Hampshire and Dan Hirst. Now Paul was Karl Urban's stunt and body double. So he fired those guns. The casing that went over the Glocks plus the insane heat wave in December 2010 when they shot here in Cape Town on location actually made the frames melt/deform and malfunction when firing multiple mags of full auto. Hard to believe about Glocks but the casing of the guns didn't allow for the normal cooling of the gun. So they had to modify the casing to make it cool the gun a bit better. --potentpoefie (talk) 10:31, 12 October 2012 (GMT+2)

That's nice, but the movie's armorer stated that they are Glock 19s, not the 17. I'm going with what the armorer said in a magazine over what some guy on the internet says his friends told him. --Mandolin (talk) 09:49, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

Fair enough. In all honesty I missed the post by the armorer and I stand corrected. :) Seems like very long grips for G19's. My G23 doesn't look that long but I guess that's the thing with pictures; dimensions get skewed. --potentpoefie (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2012 (GMT+2)

TBH I had been trusting what the armourer said, but going by the BTS photo above I think it may actually be a 17, as the bottom of the grip of a Glock 19 is sloped whereas these are straight. These may be rubber stunt guns though that differ from the firing models, I can't really tell from the actual screenshots. It could even be that there are different guns using both 17s and 19s depending on whether the gun in question needed clearance at the front for moving parts like the extending suppresor. --commando552 (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Judge Dredd

Can you please also not forget to make a reference to Judge Dredd? Until I saw your entry in IMFDB, I was not aware of this new 2012 installment and it would be nice to know how it fits in with the earlier movie. Watched Judge Dredd on video (!) ages ago and it will take a lot to beat Sylvester "I am the Leuw" Stallone, --PeeWee055 05:08, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

From what I've read the film-makers are doing all they can to distance themselves and this film from the Stallone one. The first film was supposedly pretty much considered the worst thing ever by fans of 2000AD. Critics also largely hated it, and it was considered a commercial failure. So I guess this is more of a "reboot". Jimmoy 05:58, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

in the version with stallone the used beretta 93R in an futeristic shroud to give it that mega city 1 look but a a fan of 2000 ad it is best left forgotten so bad it was that the comics owners have thrown v large spanners into the works so any other "adaptations" dont turn out horrible--Seekerdude 16:27, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

"Video"? What kind of pagan blasphemy is this, PeeWee?! Spartan198 00:24, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

Fictionalised Minigun

In the trailer you see a brief close up of what I think is supposed to be one of the balcony miniguns. You're looking down along the side of the barrel cluster at the delinker/motor area - this does appear to be at least modeled on a real minigun. Here at 2:11 - 2:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PifvRiHVSCY --Sidewinder Forge 13:24, 22 June 2012 (CDT)

Can they be .50 GECAL? With shortened barrels? If someone that has a good copy of the movie can look at the close up of the casings raining down on the floor under the guns, maybe they can be identified. Somewhere on the 'net there must be an image of the head/primer size of a .50 cal casing. Rob The Fiend

A .50BMG round is roughly five and a half inches long, the ammo feed on these looks roughly the length of the actors' entire forearm. The scale of the thing looks more like 20mm than 12.7, and while it's not clear in our picture, the gun on the far left has six barrels, not three. Also the spent casings wouldn't really provide proof of identity since there's no way to be positive that they were actually fired by the gun rather than just being a bunch of spent brass tossed on the floor to simulate it. Having just checked the trailer, I think that's exactly what they did since there's only brass falling but no belt links. Evil Tim (talk) 10:59, 2 January 2013 (EST)

Watched the movie again, they are clearly fake. The ammo feed is at 1 o'clock (seen from behind), they fire at 12 o'clock, but the barrels rotate clockwise. The feed should have been at 7 o'clock and the empties drop out at 5 o'clock.

BTW the GECAL .50 can have 3 or 6 barrels. Same as the 20mm (M61A1 6 barrels, M197 3 barrels). Also, only the 7.62 version (M134) is called "Minigun". The correct family name for weapons with rotating barrel clusters is "Gatling gun". Rob the Fiend

I hope by GECAL you mean the GAU-19, which only has 3 barrels. The 6-barrel was a prototype. And we know it's not a Minigun, but it resembles an enlargened Minigun the most, this the name. --Mandolin (talk) 14:43, 3 March 2013 (EST)

Reminds me of The Raid

The basic plot sounds like The Raid Redemption. LEO types storming a large apartment full of drug dealers, get trapped inside and now fight to get to the top Excalibur01 22:06, 19 July 2012 (CDT)

But the difference is that Dredd was in pre-production before The Raid was and they actually released the plot of Dredd before The Raid started production if I remember correctly. --cool-breeze (talk) 12:59, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

The director of The Raid, Gareth Evans, even noted the similarities and reportedly rushed the post-production to get his film out earlier. --Markit (talk) 16:39, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Which is annoying as hell because Dredd is far superior. --cool-breeze (talk) 17:59, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Anderson's psychological abilities

Any idea if these will be included in the film? Spartan198 23:25, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

I saw a featurette about the film and there was a brief mention about how the recruit he is with has psychic abilities, so I think so. --commando552 11:34, 27 August 2012 (CDT)

lawgiver bts

http://screenrant.com/dredd-2012-costume-weapons-featurette/

behind the scenes vid shows how the Lawgiver is put together around a glock.

As I recall, Dredd's classic comic book Lawgiver was based on a Luger; I recall one of the artists in an interview commented that since Dredd is usually pointing the gun out of the frame he spent many long nights sitting with a gun pointed at his head for reference. Evil Tim (talk) 03:57, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Weapons identified in theaters

I definitely saw a Saiga 12 shotgun used by one of the other Judges (the black one), covered by a futuristic shell with the stock removed. I tagged it by the AK-style receiver and extended charging handle.

What else did y'all see?

--22SEP2012 Cutter9792

I saw a Vektor CR-21 in the Hall of Justice at the beginning, random Glocks, the thug in the car chase has a BXP (not a Micro Uzi). Ma-Ma's room had an AUG, a Micro Uzi on the bed, an R4/R5, and random pistols. One of the thugs in the flashbang scene had a Paratrooper SAW. --Mandolin (talk) 16:47, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

One of the kids that hold up the Judges before Anderson gets taken uses a Vektor SP1 --potentpoefie (talk) 10:34, 12 October 2012 (GMT+2)

Unidentified Machine Gun

Looks to me, from the barrel shrouding, and maybe the back of the receiver to be a .303 M1919, what the British used in their Spitfires. --Sangheili1155 (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2012 (EDT)

I grabbed some additional screens of it. I'm still not sure what it is, but it does look similar to the M1919 series. --Lynx (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2013 (EST)

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Shotgun

I don't think the base weapon of the shotgun is a SPAS-12. If you look at the trigger guard you can see that it is the wrong shape and has a cross bolt safety rather than the rotating lever found on pre 1991 SPAS-12s, and the safety is too far back for a post 1991 SPAS-12. It is weird that the venting on the receiver looks so much like on a SPAS-12, this is where the confusion comes from. The venting is also slightly wrong, as it is totally flat on this gun as opposed to on the SPAS where it extends downwards onto the curved part of the receiver. All of the vent holes are also the same size on a SPAS-12, whereas the lower ones are smaller than the upper ones on this mockup. --commando552 (talk) 19:25, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

A friend of mine worked on Dredd, and confirms that it was indeed not a SPAS - it's a Beretta A300 in a SPAS-like shell. I've amended the page to reflect that. Awmperry (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

That also seems wrong to me, as the trigger guard is still the wrong shape and the safety is in the wrong place. If it is an A300 then even the trigger guard has been modified (or possibly this is an old model) meaning that no part of the original weapon is visible, no wonder I couldn't work out what it was. Thanks for the info. --commando552 (talk) 04:53, 31 July 2013 (EDT)

Readout on Dredd's lawgiver?

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A closeup of the digital display on the side of Dredd's Lawgiver as he removes it from his locker and undergoes a DNA test.

Are my eyes going bad or does that seem to say "rape"? O_o Spartan198 (talk) 09:07, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

I think it actually says "RAPID" but part of the "D" is cut off from this angle due to the display being recessed in the frame. --commando552 (talk) 10:17, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

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-:::: The guns in question are Glock 17's Gen 3 that have been modified to shoot full auto. Two of my friend were part of the cast [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2518215/ Paul Hampshire] and [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1520857/ Dan Hirst]. Now Paul was Karl Urban's stunt and body double. So he fired those guns. The casing that went over the Glocks plus the insane heat wave in December 2010 when they shot here in Cape Town on location actually made the frames melt/deform and malfunction when firing multiple mags of full auto. Hard to believe about Glocks but the casing of the guns didn't allow for the normal cooling of the gun. So they had to modify the casing to make it cool the gun a bit better. --[[User:potentpoefie|potentpoefie]] ([[User talk:potentpoefie|talk]]) 12:39, 12 October 2012 (GMT+2)
+:::: The guns in question are Glock 17's Gen 3 that have been modified to shoot full auto. Two of my friends were part of the cast [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2518215/ Paul Hampshire] and [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1520857/ Dan Hirst]. Now Paul was Karl Urban's stunt and body double. So he fired those guns. The casing that went over the Glocks plus the insane heat wave in December 2010 when they shot here in Cape Town on location actually made the frames melt/deform and malfunction when firing multiple mags of full auto. Hard to believe about Glocks but the casing of the guns didn't allow for the normal cooling of the gun. So they had to modify the casing to make it cool the gun a bit better. --[[User:potentpoefie|potentpoefie]] ([[User talk:potentpoefie|talk]]) 10:31, 12 October 2012 (GMT+2)
+::::: That's nice, but the movie's armorer stated that they are Glock 19s, not the 17. I'm going with what the armorer said in a magazine over what some guy on the internet says his friends told him. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 09:49, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
+:::::: Fair enough. In all honesty I missed the post by the armorer and I stand corrected. :) Seems like very long grips for G19's. My G23 doesn't look that long but I guess that's the thing with pictures; dimensions get skewed. --[[User:potentpoefie|potentpoefie]] ([[User talk:potentpoefie|talk]]) 08:50, 16 October 2012 (GMT+2)
+:::::::TBH I had been trusting what the armourer said, but going by the BTS photo above I think it may actually be a 17, as the bottom of the grip of a Glock 19 is sloped whereas these are straight. These may be rubber stunt guns though that differ from the firing models, I can't really tell from the actual screenshots. It could even be that there are different guns using both 17s and 19s depending on whether the gun in question needed clearance at the front for moving parts like the extending suppresor.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:14, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
 == Judge Dredd ==
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 In the trailer you see a brief close up of what I think is supposed to be one of the balcony miniguns.  You're looking down along the side of the barrel cluster at the delinker/motor area - this does appear to be at least modeled on a real minigun. Here at 2:11 - 2:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PifvRiHVSCY --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 13:24, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
+Can they be .50 GECAL? With shortened barrels? If someone that has a good copy of the movie can look at the close up of the casings raining down on the floor under the guns, maybe they can be identified.
+Somewhere on the 'net there must be an image of the head/primer size of a .50 cal casing. Rob The Fiend
+:A .50BMG round is roughly five and a half inches long, the ammo feed on these looks roughly the length of the actors' entire forearm. The scale of the thing looks more like 20mm than 12.7, and while it's not clear in our picture, the gun on the far left has six barrels, not three. Also the spent casings wouldn't really provide proof of identity since there's no way to be positive that they were actually fired by the gun rather than just being a bunch of spent brass tossed on the floor to simulate it. Having just checked the trailer, I think that's exactly what they did since there's only brass falling but no belt links. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:59, 2 January 2013 (EST)
+Watched the movie again, they are clearly fake. The ammo feed is at 1 o'clock (seen from behind), they fire at 12 o'clock, but the barrels rotate clockwise.
+The feed should have been at 7 o'clock and the empties drop out at 5 o'clock.
+BTW the GECAL .50 can have 3 or 6 barrels. Same as the 20mm (M61A1 6 barrels, M197 3 barrels).
+Also, only the 7.62 version (M134) is called "Minigun". The correct family name for weapons with rotating barrel clusters is "Gatling gun". Rob the Fiend
+I hope by GECAL you mean the GAU-19, which only has 3 barrels. The 6-barrel was a prototype. And we know it's not a Minigun, but it resembles an enlargened Minigun the most, this the name. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:43, 3 March 2013 (EST)
 == Reminds me of The Raid ==
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 behind the scenes vid shows how the Lawgiver is put together around a glock.
+:As I recall, Dredd's classic comic book Lawgiver was based on a Luger; I recall one of the artists in an interview commented that since Dredd is usually pointing the gun out of the frame he spent many long nights sitting with a gun pointed at his head for reference. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:57, 30 November 2012 (EST)
 == Weapons identified in theaters ==
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 I saw a Vektor CR-21 in the Hall of Justice at the beginning, random Glocks, the thug in the car chase has a BXP (not a Micro Uzi). Ma-Ma's room had an AUG, a Micro Uzi on the bed, an R4/R5, and random pistols. One of the thugs in the flashbang scene had a Paratrooper SAW. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:47, 28 September 2012 (EDT)
+One of the kids that hold up the Judges before Anderson gets taken uses a Vektor SP1 --[[User:potentpoefie|potentpoefie]] ([[User talk:potentpoefie|talk]]) 10:34, 12 October 2012 (GMT+2)
+== Unidentified Machine Gun ==
+Looks to me, from the barrel shrouding, and maybe the back of the receiver to be a .303 M1919, what the British used in their Spitfires. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] ([[User talk:Sangheili1155|talk]]) 16:09, 12 October 2012 (EDT)
+I grabbed some additional screens of it. I'm still not sure what it is, but it does look similar to the M1919 series. --[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] ([[User talk:Lynx|talk]]) 13:50, 2 March 2013 (EST)
+[[File:Dredd UMG1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
+[[File:Dredd UMG2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
+[[File:Dredd UMG3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
+== Shotgun ==
+I don't think the base weapon of the shotgun is a SPAS-12. If you look at the trigger guard you can see that it is the wrong shape and has a cross bolt safety rather than the rotating lever found on pre 1991 SPAS-12s, and the safety is too far back for a post 1991 SPAS-12. It is weird that the venting on the receiver looks so much like on a SPAS-12, this is where the confusion comes from. The venting is also slightly wrong, as it is totally flat on this gun as opposed to on the SPAS where it extends downwards onto the curved part of the receiver. All of the vent holes are also the same size on a SPAS-12, whereas the lower ones are smaller than the upper ones on this mockup.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:25, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
+A friend of mine worked on ''Dredd'', and confirms that it was indeed not a SPAS - it's a Beretta A300 in a SPAS-like shell. I've amended the page to reflect that. [[User:Awmperry|Awmperry]] ([[User talk:Awmperry|talk]]) 20:46, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
+:That also seems wrong to me, as the trigger guard is still the wrong shape and the safety is in the wrong place. If it is an A300 then even the trigger guard has been modified (or possibly this is an old model) meaning that no part of the original weapon is visible, no wonder I couldn't work out what it was. Thanks for the info.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:53, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
+== Readout on Dredd's lawgiver? ==
+[[File:Dredd-LGScreen2.jpg|thumb|602px|none|A closeup of the digital display on the side of Dredd's Lawgiver as he removes it from his locker and undergoes a DNA test.]]
+Are my eyes going bad or does that seem to say "rape"? O_o [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:07, 21 September 2014 (EDT)
+:I think it actually says "RAPID" but part of the "D" is cut off from this angle due to the display being recessed in the frame.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:17, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

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Lawgiver

Judge Dredd

Fictionalised Minigun

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Anderson's psychological abilities

lawgiver bts

Weapons identified in theaters

Unidentified Machine Gun

Shotgun

Readout on Dredd's lawgiver?

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Lawgiver

Judge Dredd

Fictionalised Minigun

Reminds me of The Raid

Anderson's psychological abilities

lawgiver bts

Weapons identified in theaters

Unidentified Machine Gun

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Readout on Dredd's lawgiver?

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