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Just FYI for anyone that is wondering, I ID'd the Glocks as 22s from a ''Total Film'' article which had a closeup shot of the side of the pistol showing the slide markings. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:21, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
Just FYI for anyone that is wondering, I ID'd the Glocks as 22s from a ''Total Film'' article which had a closeup shot of the side of the pistol showing the slide markings. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:21, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
At the beginning of the film, the guy said his gun is a Glock 19 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 00:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:Look at the bottom discussion topic. if he says that it is a goof, as firstly it is a full size gun so would be a 17 if it was a 9mm, and promotional images show that the physical gun has 22 slide markings. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:46, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
==DEA Weapons?==
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I think that literally all you see of it in the trailer is the fact that it has a Crane stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:34, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
I think that literally all you see of it in the trailer is the fact that it has a Crane stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:34, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
The camera perspective in the scene is from the 'chest cam' so most of its shaky and his hand is covering the trigger and the fire selector is always facing the user so i can't tell what kind of AR-15 it is, other than it's a AR-15 (Had a flat top, FA, full fencing and possably a brass deflector, so i guess assuming it was a M4 would be fine >_>), had a Crane Stock(?), KAC rail covers, a foregrip and was using a EOTech XPS 3 or 2, also seemed to have a short barrel, a educated guess would be a 11.5" barrel. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] ([[User talk:Scarecrow|talk]]) 11:14, 24 December 2012 (EST)
The barrel looks a bit too long to be the Model 933 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:31, 24 January 2013 (EST)
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:I id'd them as 22 based on promotional photos in a magazine article where you could see the "22" slide markings. Will try and see if I can find the shot online. Also they look like they have full length slides to me, particularly in the shot where Zavala is coming through the door. Could be that the two of them are carrying different guns. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:50, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:I id'd them as 22 based on promotional photos in a magazine article where you could see the "22" slide markings. Will try and see if I can find the shot online. Also they look like they have full length slides to me, particularly in the shot where Zavala is coming through the door. Could be that the two of them are carrying different guns. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:50, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
::Found it:[[File:EOW Glock slide markings.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Hires promotional image showing the Glock slide markings.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:56, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
::Found it:[[File:EOW Glock slide markings.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Hires promotional image showing the Glock slide markings.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:56, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
Perhaps they could indeed be carrying 2 different guns, I honestly can't say without seeing the movie again and potentially a pause button. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] ([[User talk:Bristow8411|talk]]) 17:56, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:From that promo image it appears that at least Taylor is carrying a Glock 22 (contrary to the dialogue you quoted), and in other caps
:@Bristow Nope, this is a cap from the exact point where he says "This is the department issue sidearm, Glock 19."
http://i.minus.com/ibaxvcTJVzqYVG.jpg You can clearly see the markings noting it as a 22 in .40SW [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] ([[User talk:Scarecrow|talk]]) 10:50, 24 December 2012 (EST)
Zavala has a full length Glock so if it was a 9x19mm it would be a Glock 17. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:01, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:Well it wouldn't be the first time what was on the script and what is actually used on the screen is different. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:18, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::Once again, you guys are over-analyzing too much. The explanation is very simple: The script called for Glock 19s, but the property master/armor chose to bring Glock 22s to the set, and nobody bothered to correct the actors on the inconsistency. It happens all the time (the classic example that comes to mind is ''[[Kiss the Girls]]'', where the film's antagonist calls Alex Cross's sidearm a Glock because the script dialogue was taken straight from the book, even though the gun actually used in the movie is a SIG 226). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 11:03, 24 December 2012 (EST)
:::I just watched the movie last night. Even when Taylor is holding the gun and describing it as a "Glock 19", you can clearly see that the weapon says "22" on the slide. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 15:47, 13 January 2013 (EST)
== Found some caps on a forum ==
Thought I would direct you to them. Perhaps somebody can ID the AR15?<br />
The revolver is a Smith & Wesson 642 as shown on the main page, but apart from spotting the EoTech sight and what I think is a Magpul stock on the AR I have no idea --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] ([[User talk:Taurus96|talk]]) 04:42, 31 December 2012 (EST)
[[File:EoWGlock22FP.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Glock 22 in the officer's POV.]]
== Detective sidearms ==
Can anyone identify the sidearms of the homicide detectives? [[Noahrussell007]]
== Cartel 1911s ==
I know it wasn't shown or mentioned in the movie, but being Mexican cartels, wouldn't the 1911s be more likely chambered in 38 super than 9mm? Hard to tell the distance of the mag channel from the back of the magazine.
: Perhaps theoretically, but this is a movie. All handguns are assumed to be 9mm unless proved otherwise. And sign your posts. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:03, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
== The Engraved Walther PPK ==
I think that engraved Walther PPK found on the cartel member was actually an Astra Constable, based on the Trigger Guard, markings, the square above the trigger, and the slanted slide serrations.
== Realism behind AKMS not penetrating Kevlar? ==
This question really spooks me. In the last shootout scene where Zavala blocked Taylor from the AK spree at point-blank range, is it really possible? I mean, Kevlar is made only to fend off small arms caliber like the 9mm and it far compared with military metal hard body armor plate so if the scene were to happen in reality, most probably Taylor can't survive right... So here's the question, will AK's 7.62x39mm penetrate 2 Kevlars? (Considering 1 for each officer, takes 3 layers to hit Taylor)--[[User:S9771773G|S9771773G]] ([[User talk:S9771773G|talk]]) 11:08, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
The vests that police usually wears won't stop AK rounds but most likely once a round grows through someone, it might have been stopped. If hit on the right spot, you might survive. People have survived being shot with AKs before. It isn't pretty. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:30, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
== Shooting a .40 1 handed ==
When Taylor was wounded in the final shootout when the round hit his hand adrenaline would be going, but does the police teach officers how to shoot 1 handed and could you shoot a .40 cal glock that accurately with 1 hand?--[[User:MarineCorps1|SeoulMan123]] ([[User talk:MarineCorps1|talk]]) 08:23, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
:Most, if not all law enforcement officers are trained in how to fight under duress. This includes how to use weapons with one arm/hand disabled or how to fire with your off-hand in the event that your dominant hand is incapacitated. Secondly, it's not uncommon for police officers to attend shooting schools of various types on their own dime or as department budgets permit. Third, Taylor is mentioned as having served with the Marines. Considering the vast number of military veterans that serve as police officers in their home towns, it's not unusual to see this technique. As far as accuracy goes, it's going to depend on the training of the user, physical conditioning, responses to stress, etc. In a full-sized pistol like the G22, the recoil of the .40S&W round will not be that much, if at all heavier than a 9mm round. I've fired a number of full-sized pistols chambered in .40 with one hand and my accuracy didn't suffer that much compared to a two-handed stance. Granted I had ideal conditions, ie - in a shooting range, time to set up my stance, etc... [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]])
Just FYI for anyone that is wondering, I ID'd the Glocks as 22s from a Total Film article which had a closeup shot of the side of the pistol showing the slide markings. --commando552 11:21, 2 August 2012 (CDT)
At the beginning of the film, the guy said his gun is a Glock 19 Excalibur01 (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
Look at the bottom discussion topic. if he says that it is a goof, as firstly it is a full size gun so would be a 17 if it was a 9mm, and promotional images show that the physical gun has 22 slide markings. --commando552 (talk) 13:46, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
DEA Weapons?
Saw a trailer for this earlier, and saw a DEA Agent armed with some sort of AR-type carbine. Anyone think they can ID it for the page? Orca1 9904 (talk) 09:51, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
Can't see it from all the trailers I've seen. Guess we'll have to wait for the movie to come out. Excalibur01 (talk) 12:07, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
I think that literally all you see of it in the trailer is the fact that it has a Crane stock. --commando552 (talk) 12:34, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
The camera perspective in the scene is from the 'chest cam' so most of its shaky and his hand is covering the trigger and the fire selector is always facing the user so i can't tell what kind of AR-15 it is, other than it's a AR-15 (Had a flat top, FA, full fencing and possably a brass deflector, so i guess assuming it was a M4 would be fine >_>), had a Crane Stock(?), KAC rail covers, a foregrip and was using a EOTech XPS 3 or 2, also seemed to have a short barrel, a educated guess would be a 11.5" barrel. scarecrow (talk) 11:14, 24 December 2012 (EST)
The barrel looks a bit too long to be the Model 933 Excalibur01 (talk) 12:31, 24 January 2013 (EST)
Can't be 100% on whether the specific model is correct without seeing more of the gun, but think it is actually a Smith & Wesson 39. Either way, I think it is a S&W auto rather than a Beretta. --commando552 (talk) 12:45, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
That's definitely some kind of Smith & Wesson auto. Jeddostotle7 (talk) 12:50, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
On closer examination I'll upgrade what I said to it definitely being a S&W 39. Thought it might have been a 439, but you can just make out the hole in the hammer which wasn't there on the 2nd gen pistols. --commando552 (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2012 (EDT)
Any chance the Glocks are actually 19's?
I ask because I saw the movie tonight and Taylor specifically calls his Glock a "Glock 19". Now I know normally I shouldn't go by what was said in the script but during one of the POV segments, I think I might have seen a 19 on the slide. Bristow8411 (talk) 01:00, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
I id'd them as 22 based on promotional photos in a magazine article where you could see the "22" slide markings. Will try and see if I can find the shot online. Also they look like they have full length slides to me, particularly in the shot where Zavala is coming through the door. Could be that the two of them are carrying different guns. --commando552 (talk) 04:50, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
Perhaps they could indeed be carrying 2 different guns, I honestly can't say without seeing the movie again and potentially a pause button. Bristow8411 (talk) 17:56, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
From that promo image it appears that at least Taylor is carrying a Glock 22 (contrary to the dialogue you quoted), and in other caps
@Bristow Nope, this is a cap from the exact point where he says "This is the department issue sidearm, Glock 19."
Zavala has a full length Glock so if it was a 9x19mm it would be a Glock 17. --commando552 (talk) 18:01, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
Well it wouldn't be the first time what was on the script and what is actually used on the screen is different. Excalibur01 (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
Once again, you guys are over-analyzing too much. The explanation is very simple: The script called for Glock 19s, but the property master/armor chose to bring Glock 22s to the set, and nobody bothered to correct the actors on the inconsistency. It happens all the time (the classic example that comes to mind is Kiss the Girls, where the film's antagonist calls Alex Cross's sidearm a Glock because the script dialogue was taken straight from the book, even though the gun actually used in the movie is a SIG 226). -MT2008 (talk) 11:03, 24 December 2012 (EST)
I just watched the movie last night. Even when Taylor is holding the gun and describing it as a "Glock 19", you can clearly see that the weapon says "22" on the slide. -MT2008 (talk) 15:47, 13 January 2013 (EST)
Found some caps on a forum
Thought I would direct you to them. Perhaps somebody can ID the AR15?
The revolver is a Smith & Wesson 642 as shown on the main page, but apart from spotting the EoTech sight and what I think is a Magpul stock on the AR I have no idea --Taurus96 (talk) 04:42, 31 December 2012 (EST)
Can anyone identify the sidearms of the homicide detectives? Noahrussell007
Cartel 1911s
I know it wasn't shown or mentioned in the movie, but being Mexican cartels, wouldn't the 1911s be more likely chambered in 38 super than 9mm? Hard to tell the distance of the mag channel from the back of the magazine.
Perhaps theoretically, but this is a movie. All handguns are assumed to be 9mm unless proved otherwise. And sign your posts. --Mandolin (talk) 14:03, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
The Engraved Walther PPK
I think that engraved Walther PPK found on the cartel member was actually an Astra Constable, based on the Trigger Guard, markings, the square above the trigger, and the slanted slide serrations.
Realism behind AKMS not penetrating Kevlar?
This question really spooks me. In the last shootout scene where Zavala blocked Taylor from the AK spree at point-blank range, is it really possible? I mean, Kevlar is made only to fend off small arms caliber like the 9mm and it far compared with military metal hard body armor plate so if the scene were to happen in reality, most probably Taylor can't survive right... So here's the question, will AK's 7.62x39mm penetrate 2 Kevlars? (Considering 1 for each officer, takes 3 layers to hit Taylor)--S9771773G (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
The vests that police usually wears won't stop AK rounds but most likely once a round grows through someone, it might have been stopped. If hit on the right spot, you might survive. People have survived being shot with AKs before. It isn't pretty. Excalibur01 (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
Shooting a .40 1 handed
When Taylor was wounded in the final shootout when the round hit his hand adrenaline would be going, but does the police teach officers how to shoot 1 handed and could you shoot a .40 cal glock that accurately with 1 hand?--SeoulMan123 (talk) 08:23, 12 October 2013 (EDT)
Most, if not all law enforcement officers are trained in how to fight under duress. This includes how to use weapons with one arm/hand disabled or how to fire with your off-hand in the event that your dominant hand is incapacitated. Secondly, it's not uncommon for police officers to attend shooting schools of various types on their own dime or as department budgets permit. Third, Taylor is mentioned as having served with the Marines. Considering the vast number of military veterans that serve as police officers in their home towns, it's not unusual to see this technique. As far as accuracy goes, it's going to depend on the training of the user, physical conditioning, responses to stress, etc. In a full-sized pistol like the G22, the recoil of the .40S&W round will not be that much, if at all heavier than a 9mm round. I've fired a number of full-sized pistols chambered in .40 with one hand and my accuracy didn't suffer that much compared to a two-handed stance. Granted I had ideal conditions, ie - in a shooting range, time to set up my stance, etc... DeltaOne (talk)
