Talk:Cockneys vs. Zombies: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Cockneys vs. Zombies: Difference between revisions
Thanks for the suggestion, but the trailer is in a restricted part of Youtube and I don't feel like registering. Maybe others have an idea, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 08:56, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
Thanks for the suggestion, but the trailer is in a restricted part of Youtube and I don't feel like registering. Maybe others have an idea, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 08:56, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
The first unknown rifle is definitely an L85. Unfortunately I can't help with the other unknowns yet. Is it possible that unknown rifle 2 is an AK-type rifle? It looks like there is a wooden stock, just visible next to Michelle Ryan's right arm. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]
== The M16 ==
== The M16 ==
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:Blank firing weapons are legal in the UK if you have a reason to own them, such as being a film/TV armourer. There are plenty of shows and films that have been made in the UK that use real blank converted firearms. Having said that, the MP5 is an airsoft one judging by the little allen bolt on the base of the pistol grip which adjusts the motor, but using airsoft weapons in non firing scenes is commonly done so as not to require an armourer on set. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:31, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
:Blank firing weapons are legal in the UK if you have a reason to own them, such as being a film/TV armourer. There are plenty of shows and films that have been made in the UK that use real blank converted firearms. Having said that, the MP5 is an airsoft one judging by the little allen bolt on the base of the pistol grip which adjusts the motor, but using airsoft weapons in non firing scenes is commonly done so as not to require an armourer on set. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:31, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
::Having seen the trailer, I think ALL of the guns are airsoft or at least most of them. They all have that hideous 4 point CGI gunflash that wouldn't happen since most of the weapons (like the MP5s and the Uzis) don't have birdcage flash hiders, and the weapons that DO have birdcage flash hiders don't have only 4 slots. I just wish these guys knew the proper style of gun flash that goes with each gun. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 22:56, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
== Type 56-1 ==
== Type 56-1 ==
Judging from the receiver (second picture in its section), it's not a Type 56-1. It has the milling above the magazine, the sights of an AKS-74U, and the original under-folding stock. It's a 7.62 rifle, from the magazine shape, so that narrows it down to a custom-made rifle, probably based off of either the Old AK-47 or the Bulgarian AR- rifles. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 15:24, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
Judging from the receiver (second picture in its section), it's not a Type 56-1. It has the milling above the magazine, the sights of an AKS-74U, and the original under-folding stock, also with the ribbing on the top of the receiver. It's a 7.62 rifle, from the magazine shape, so that narrows it down to a custom-made rifle, probably based off of either the Old AK-47 or the Bulgarian AR- rifles. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 15:24, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
Edit: The Bulgarian AR-M1F rifles also have the correct crimping in the stock. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 15:32, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
Edit: The Bulgarian AR-M1F rifles also have the correct crimping in the stock. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 15:32, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
:I'd go for a 7.62 Arsenal AR-SF:[[File:7,62ar-sf.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Arsenal AR-SF - 7.62x39mm]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:36, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
::I Agree there, shove some wooden furniture on it, and it looks just like the screenshot. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 03:10, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
== M4A1 ==
This also is an incorrect identification. The muzzle brake looks exactly like that of an XM177. Judging from the hand-guard, an E2, or Model 629.
== Unknown Handgun #1 ==
Looks like a nickel-plated M1911 from the muzzle. Also has the right bore-size. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 09:29, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
== Grenades ==
Anyone else notice that the spoons on all the grenades are blue? The M26 frags look like cast-iron dummy grenades. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 08:59, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Probably due to the film being shot in London but Im not sure.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 08:57, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
:Well, they could have at least bothered to paint them the right color. [[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 08:59, 6 August 2012
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== Unknown MP5 Variant ==
Either an A3 or MP5KN, judging from other pictures of a collapsible-stock MP5, probably the Kurz. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 09:29, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
:I don't know what to classify this as, as it has the barrel length and forward grip of an MP5K, but an A3 retractable stock. It can't be an MP5K with an A3 stock fitted as this is impossible, as the MP5K has blocks welded into the grooves which the arms of the stock slot into, and the MP5K also lacks the receiver extension on the back which the full size MP5 stocks attach over. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:57, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
::Of course, all the MP5Ks in this have that stock. And an aftermarket flash-suppressor or PDW length barrel with an attachment over the end. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 10:37, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
::While never made by HK, some people in the U.S. have been known to build MP5 PDW's with an unmodified MP5 receiver (like those found on the MP5a models) allowing them to attach a traditional MP5 stock to what would otherwise look like an MP5K or PDW. These are called MP5k Reverse Stretch. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 14:39, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
I've found at what to call it, it is a "Reverse Stretch". They are a common custom gun (some companies like Fleming make them) that uses a standard MP5 and replaces the front end with an MP5K one. This has the result of making the gun about an inch longer but is capable of accepting any standard stocks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:58, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
:Makes sense. --[[User:Sangheili1155|Sangheili1155]] 16:35, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
==Are These Good?==
So I found [http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2011/04/17/dawn-of-the-brown-bread-cockneys-vs-zombies-set-pics-stumble-online/ this site] that has some bts photos but have some good shots of the guns in the movie but are these kind of photos allowed on the wiki?--[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 00:50, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Cool page! I hope the makers include a brief summary of the film. Right now it's just Screenshots and Weapon IDs. A brief summary would be nice and an explanation of the film :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 22:51, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
== Anyone See this movie? ==
Where do the characters get the guns? (at least in the storyline). I always find it amusing to show Britons packing so much heat when their own government stripped them of almost all gun owning rights back in 1987. It's way more realistic to show lots of folks with guns in America (though it's a movie 'fantasy thing' to show everyone with full auto weapons). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 22:58, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
Most of the guns used in the zombie killing were rounded up from a stockpile owned by criminal named "Mental Micky". Of course, where Micky got the guns from in the first place raises some questions.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 02:43, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
== Weapon ID's ==
I'd say that the weapon listed as RPK is actually Zastava M72. Take a look at the shape of the stock and hanguard:
[[File:ZastavaM72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
Also the gun in the menu listed as SCAR-L looks more like Bushmaster ACR, as the trigger guard and front end of the rifle are different from SCAR-L. And the weapon listed as FN Minimi looks like an M249 judging by the stock, handguard, rear sight and carrying handle. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 08:50, 14 April 2016 (EDT)
: I agree on the above. Also, the SMLE is a No.4 Mk I - Even in the blurry pics you can clearly make out the barrel extending beyond the forend and the lack of forward-mounted rear sights that would be on a No.1 Mk III. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 16:17, 28 November 2016 (EST)
== M16 without grenade launcher ==
The partial fence lower would seem to suggest an XM16E1. And it also appears to be rusted all to hell. Look at the forward assist and takedown pins. Somebody spray some WD40 on that poor thing! [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:25, 28 November 2016 (EST)
: I concur the non-M203 AR is an XM16E1, receiver's a dead giveaway... and I also agree it has seen better days methinks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]])!
== DVD menu screen rifle ==
Pretty sure that's an ACR. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:50, 23 November 2017 (EST)
I´d need to see additional screenshots to be sure, but for the unknown guns I´d say: Browning Hi-Power (Unknown Handgun #2) and L85 (Unknown Rifle), --PeeWee055 14:20, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
Here is the trailer if you want to see it. [1]Mr.Ice 15:07, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
Thanks for the suggestion, but the trailer is in a restricted part of Youtube and I don't feel like registering. Maybe others have an idea, --PeeWee055 08:56, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
The first unknown rifle is definitely an L85. Unfortunately I can't help with the other unknowns yet. Is it possible that unknown rifle 2 is an AK-type rifle? It looks like there is a wooden stock, just visible next to Michelle Ryan's right arm. --Spanner
The M16
Is not an A4, it looks like an A1. Non-detachable carry handle and fixed rear sight. I'd change it, but I suck at editing pages. The Kaptain 15:28, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
Airsoft?
If this is shot in London, all of those weapons must be airsoft, due to gun laws.
Blank firing weapons are legal in the UK if you have a reason to own them, such as being a film/TV armourer. There are plenty of shows and films that have been made in the UK that use real blank converted firearms. Having said that, the MP5 is an airsoft one judging by the little allen bolt on the base of the pistol grip which adjusts the motor, but using airsoft weapons in non firing scenes is commonly done so as not to require an armourer on set. --commando552 19:31, 3 August 2012 (CDT)
Having seen the trailer, I think ALL of the guns are airsoft or at least most of them. They all have that hideous 4 point CGI gunflash that wouldn't happen since most of the weapons (like the MP5s and the Uzis) don't have birdcage flash hiders, and the weapons that DO have birdcage flash hiders don't have only 4 slots. I just wish these guys knew the proper style of gun flash that goes with each gun. :( MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 22:56, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
Type 56-1
Judging from the receiver (second picture in its section), it's not a Type 56-1. It has the milling above the magazine, the sights of an AKS-74U, and the original under-folding stock, also with the ribbing on the top of the receiver. It's a 7.62 rifle, from the magazine shape, so that narrows it down to a custom-made rifle, probably based off of either the Old AK-47 or the Bulgarian AR- rifles. Sangheili1155 15:24, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
Edit: The Bulgarian AR-M1F rifles also have the correct crimping in the stock. Sangheili1155 15:32, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
I Agree there, shove some wooden furniture on it, and it looks just like the screenshot. Sangheili1155 03:10, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
M4A1
This also is an incorrect identification. The muzzle brake looks exactly like that of an XM177. Judging from the hand-guard, an E2, or Model 629.
Unknown Handgun #1
Looks like a nickel-plated M1911 from the muzzle. Also has the right bore-size. --Sangheili1155 09:29, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Grenades
Anyone else notice that the spoons on all the grenades are blue? The M26 frags look like cast-iron dummy grenades. Sangheili1155 08:59, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Probably due to the film being shot in London but Im not sure.Mr.Ice 08:57, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Well, they could have at least bothered to paint them the right color. Sangheili1155 08:59, 6 August 2012
(CDT)
Unknown MP5 Variant
Either an A3 or MP5KN, judging from other pictures of a collapsible-stock MP5, probably the Kurz. --Sangheili1155 09:29, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
I don't know what to classify this as, as it has the barrel length and forward grip of an MP5K, but an A3 retractable stock. It can't be an MP5K with an A3 stock fitted as this is impossible, as the MP5K has blocks welded into the grooves which the arms of the stock slot into, and the MP5K also lacks the receiver extension on the back which the full size MP5 stocks attach over. --commando552 09:57, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Of course, all the MP5Ks in this have that stock. And an aftermarket flash-suppressor or PDW length barrel with an attachment over the end. --Sangheili1155 10:37, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
While never made by HK, some people in the U.S. have been known to build MP5 PDW's with an unmodified MP5 receiver (like those found on the MP5a models) allowing them to attach a traditional MP5 stock to what would otherwise look like an MP5K or PDW. These are called MP5k Reverse Stretch. Dover500 14:39, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
I've found at what to call it, it is a "Reverse Stretch". They are a common custom gun (some companies like Fleming make them) that uses a standard MP5 and replaces the front end with an MP5K one. This has the result of making the gun about an inch longer but is capable of accepting any standard stocks. --commando552 14:58, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Makes sense. --Sangheili1155 16:35, 6 August 2012 (CDT)
Are These Good?
So I found this site that has some bts photos but have some good shots of the guns in the movie but are these kind of photos allowed on the wiki?--Mr.Ice 00:50, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Cool page! I hope the makers include a brief summary of the film. Right now it's just Screenshots and Weapon IDs. A brief summary would be nice and an explanation of the film :D MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 22:51, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
Anyone See this movie?
Where do the characters get the guns? (at least in the storyline). I always find it amusing to show Britons packing so much heat when their own government stripped them of almost all gun owning rights back in 1987. It's way more realistic to show lots of folks with guns in America (though it's a movie 'fantasy thing' to show everyone with full auto weapons). MoviePropMaster2008 (talk) 22:58, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
Most of the guns used in the zombie killing were rounded up from a stockpile owned by criminal named "Mental Micky". Of course, where Micky got the guns from in the first place raises some questions.Mr.Ice (talk) 02:43, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
Weapon ID's
I'd say that the weapon listed as RPK is actually Zastava M72. Take a look at the shape of the stock and hanguard:
Also the gun in the menu listed as SCAR-L looks more like Bushmaster ACR, as the trigger guard and front end of the rifle are different from SCAR-L. And the weapon listed as FN Minimi looks like an M249 judging by the stock, handguard, rear sight and carrying handle. --CnC Fin (talk) 08:50, 14 April 2016 (EDT)
I agree on the above. Also, the SMLE is a No.4 Mk I - Even in the blurry pics you can clearly make out the barrel extending beyond the forend and the lack of forward-mounted rear sights that would be on a No.1 Mk III. StanTheMan (talk) 16:17, 28 November 2016 (EST)
M16 without grenade launcher
The partial fence lower would seem to suggest an XM16E1. And it also appears to be rusted all to hell. Look at the forward assist and takedown pins. Somebody spray some WD40 on that poor thing! Spartan198 (talk) 09:25, 28 November 2016 (EST)
I concur the non-M203 AR is an XM16E1, receiver's a dead giveaway... and I also agree it has seen better days methinks. StanTheMan (talk)!
DVD menu screen rifle
Pretty sure that's an ACR. Spartan198 (talk) 10:50, 23 November 2017 (EST)
