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==Additional Images==
[[File:Early Bekas.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23 and produced in limited quantities in the early 90's. Bottom - a revised version.]]
[[File:Bekas-12M Pistol Grip.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Bekas-12M with 21-inch barrel and a "combat" pistol grip - 12 gauge]]
==Origins or background history==
==Origins or background history==
Any chance of getting a summary about this hitherto unknown shotgun? :)  Who makes it? Who uses it. What country does it come from (though I figured that one out pretty quickly). :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
Any chance of getting a summary about this hitherto unknown shotgun? :)  Who makes it? Who uses it. What country does it come from (though I figured that one out pretty quickly). :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:I did a small writeup. The official company website looks like it has a lot of info, but it's in Russian, so maybe one of our Russian users can help. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:01, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
::I added some data and pictures from the company website. There is an [http://www.molot.biz/product-e/index.php English version of the site] but it is hard to find. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 03:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
:::Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
::::Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
:::::I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
::::::70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).
:::::::Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
::::::::There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
Curiously, although the KS-23 was made on the base of the Winchester 1200, Bekas, apparently, was reworked under the impression of [[Manufrance Rapid]], wich was quite popular in the USSR. Just compare them. --[[User:Slon95|Slon95]] ([[User talk:Slon95|talk]]) 11:02, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 16:34, 20 May 2020

Additional Images

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Two early versions of Molot Bekas - 16/35 gauge. Top - the first prototype based on KS-23 and produced in limited quantities in the early 90's. Bottom - a revised version.
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Bekas-12M with 21-inch barrel and a "combat" pistol grip - 12 gauge

Origins or background history

Any chance of getting a summary about this hitherto unknown shotgun? :) Who makes it? Who uses it. What country does it come from (though I figured that one out pretty quickly). :) MoviePropMaster2008

I did a small writeup. The official company website looks like it has a lot of info, but it's in Russian, so maybe one of our Russian users can help. --Funkychinaman 17:01, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
I added some data and pictures from the company website. There is an English version of the site but it is hard to find. Greg-Z 03:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
Thanks. Just for clarification, what's 12/70 gauge? Is that just the local designation for 3 in 12 gauge shells? --Funkychinaman 08:44, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
Right, it's a shell with 70mm length (as far as I know it is 70mm, not 3-inch = 76.2mm). If such designation is unclear for English-speaking readers then please change it to clear one. Greg-Z 08:56, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
I'm not sure if 3 inch shells are actually 3 inches or if it's just rounded off. Thanks. --Funkychinaman 09:03, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
70mm means 2 3/4" shells (actually 69.85mm), which is the standard length with 3" shells being equivalent to "magnum" rounds. 3" shells are referred to as 76mm (actually 76.2mm).
Oh. Then what are 12/65 shells? I don't think I've seen shells shorter than in 2.75 inches in the US. --Funkychinaman 12:16, 13 June 2012 (CDT)
There are 2 1/2" shells which I have seen called 63.5mm, but I think there are also something like 2 9/16" shells which are 65mm (or it may be that 2 1/2" is a simplified term for 2 9/16" shells). I think the 2 9/16" chambering was for European and British guns, as opposed to America which used 2 5/8” chambers. I think all of these are pretty much obsolete at this point, so am not sure which one this is referring to. --commando552 12:34, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

Curiously, although the KS-23 was made on the base of the Winchester 1200, Bekas, apparently, was reworked under the impression of Manufrance Rapid, wich was quite popular in the USSR. Just compare them. --Slon95 (talk) 11:02, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

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