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=Behind The Scenes= | |||
The BD release features several behind the scenes videos on a variety of topics, a couple of which are relevant to this page. Misuzu Togashi (Ichiroku) and Saeko Zougou (Ichiyon) visit Chicago Regimentals, a shop in Tokyo that specializes in deactivated firearms; this shop is often mentioned by Kitsune Tennouji in the manga as where he obtains most of his large collection, or just goes to browse. Another behind the scenes section features Mariko Honda (Galil) and Chiharu Kitaoka (Ichihachi) visiting a military surplus store. | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Saeko Zougou aims a [[FN FAL|folding-stock FAL]]. In the interest of not creating extreme walls of text, only the firearms focused on will be listed here.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Misuzu Togashi takes an interest in an [[MG42|MG 42]] as they make their way around the room. In the background is an unidentified movie poster and a painting of a B-17 Flying Fortress.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Saeko with an appropriately intense expression as she handles an [[AK-47]], this one featuring an older slab-sided magazine.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS4.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Misuzu eyes an [[M1D Garand]] at the top of the rack. On the left is military/firearm advisor Kenichi Kaneko, who is leading their tour.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS5.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Kenichi points out that this [[Galil#Galil MAR|Galil MAR]] is a shorter version of the Galil AR featured in the show. The caption notes that it's also known as the Micro Galil.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS6.jpg|600px|thumb|none|An excellent shot of Misuzu with the Micro Galil.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS7.jpg|600px|thumb|none|After unfolding the stock, Kenichi hands Misuzu an [[AR-18]]. The patch on his jacket is the emblem of the [[Strike Witches|501st Joint Fighter Wing]]; Kenichi Kaneko has been an advisor for many anime, such as the ''World Witches'' series, ''[[Girls und Panzer]]'', and similar.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS8.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Saeko holding a [[Heckler & Koch G3A3|G3A3]], with Misuzu seemingly trying to subtly take it for herself during this segment.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS9.jpg|600px|thumb|none|After Kenichi shows where the bipod would attach, Saeko traces her fingers down the bipod grooves in the handguard.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS10.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The duo check out an [[M2 Flamethrower]].]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS11.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Saeko is handed an [[Steyr AUG#Steyr AUG A1|AUG A1]], correcting her grip shortly after this.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS12.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Misuzu aims an [[SIG SG 550#SIG SG 551|SG 551]], with quite respectable form. The caption notes that it's a shorter version of the show's SG 550.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS13.jpg|600px|thumb|none|An early-pattern [[MP5A3]] makes an appearance in the hands of Misuzu.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS14.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Misuzu holds the MP5, now with its stock extended. Saeko and Misuzu mention that they're familiar with the MP5 from its rather ubiquitous presence at airsoft fields.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS15.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Saeko showing good trigger discipline after taking the MP5.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS16.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A fantastic look at the early MP5A3 as Saeko holds it up for the camera.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS17.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Misuzu with an [[M16]] cleaning kit.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS18.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The pair with their respective characters' magazines.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS19.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Mariko Honda with an airsoft [[Galil#Galil ARM|Galil ARM]], as she explains to Chiharu Kitaoka and the audience that it's a slightly different version of her character's Galil AR. Mariko is wearing a South African Nutria Brown uniform, while Chiharu is in a British Desert DPM uniform.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS20.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Chiharu and Mariko each with an M1 Garand en bloc clip, while the latter is also holding some 9mm Parabellum for comparison.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS21.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The pair handle a replica [[Model 17 Stielhandgranate|Stielhandgranate 17]]. Mariko also has a mystery cartridge (possibly 5.56mm NATO) which she obtained between cuts and holds onto throughout this segment.]] | |||
[[Image:Upotte BTS22.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Kenichi Kaneko brings out an [[Model 39 Eihandgranate|Eihandgranate 39]], which uses the same fuze system.]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
==Guns List== | ==Guns List== | ||
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::::Probably since, as someone who custom assembled their PC, I know that build a computer is NOT that easy. Fitting the parts isn't too bad, but wiring is soul destroying (particularly if you have multiple hard drives, optical drives, graphics cards and such) and installing the OS is... irritating to say the least. -- [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 13:55, 12 April 2012 (CDT) | ::::Probably since, as someone who custom assembled their PC, I know that build a computer is NOT that easy. Fitting the parts isn't too bad, but wiring is soul destroying (particularly if you have multiple hard drives, optical drives, graphics cards and such) and installing the OS is... irritating to say the least. -- [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 13:55, 12 April 2012 (CDT) | ||
::::I'm not really sure how the advertisement with the moe character giving an overview of a PC's components is "weird", at least compared to the number of bizarre advertisements and mascots that American television churns out. An OS-tan character is a rather tame example. There are far, far weirder Japanese adds out there ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWYtrF1z5mc&list=FLbrtS9CjDhZ7sHcsmz8dKoQ&index=6&feature=plpp_video the BOSS canned coffee adds with Tommy Lee Jones come to mind]).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 16:19, 12 April 2012 (CDT) | ::::I'm not really sure how the advertisement with the moe character giving an overview of a PC's components is "weird", at least compared to the number of bizarre advertisements and mascots that American television churns out. An OS-tan character is a rather tame example. There are far, far weirder Japanese adds out there ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWYtrF1z5mc&list=FLbrtS9CjDhZ7sHcsmz8dKoQ&index=6&feature=plpp_video the BOSS canned coffee adds with Tommy Lee Jones come to mind]).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 16:19, 12 April 2012 (CDT) | ||
It's all a question of perspective. Everything we do looks weird to them. "What, they have a cartoon mouse? Who doesn't have a battle robot?" Also, what would it be like to date a girl who was the personification of an assault rifle? Any ideas? Alasdair. | |||
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They made a sort of references when Galil bit into a bottle to pop the cap but the variant in the show doesn't have the bottle opener option [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:36, 14 May 2012 (CDT) | They made a sort of references when Galil bit into a bottle to pop the cap but the variant in the show doesn't have the bottle opener option [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:36, 14 May 2012 (CDT) | ||
:I've been wondering about the Galil's bottle opener. I've always thought the bottle opener was actually under the handguard, but when I was looking it up on wiki, it says that the wire cutter actually serve as the bottle opener. Anyone know which is the correct one?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 17:30, 29 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIwtCL8CigI go to 6:44 and it will show you where the bottle opener is [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 29 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:That's exactly where I always thought the bottle opener would be...so Wiki's wrong then. Is the bottle opener available on AR too, or is it on ARM only?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 14:00, 31 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
I think all Galil have the bottle opener but only the one with the bipod can you use it to cut wires [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:23, 31 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:I don't think there is a bottle opener built into the standard AR as that has a different handguard. On the AR the metal band at the back of the handguard is continuous without the gap in the middle to hook the bipod legs into. I've always kind of doubted that the bottle opener was a design feature, but was just adopted as standard by soldiers. Were bent magazine lips really happening with such frequency that they had to build a bottle opener in? Regardless, using the magazine lips is lacking in ingenuity. Better to fold the stock and use the claw part inside the pivot. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:51, 31 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
Somebody known a good movie/videogame where at least one feature (bottle opener or wire cutter) is CORRECTLY shown?--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 03:50, 2 March 2017 (EST) PS : Video is no more avaiable | |||
== Too many screen caps for one gun == | == Too many screen caps for one gun == | ||
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:I know that it's kinda hard for me especially. I think at least the screencaps of firearms that are significant in an episode would do. Although if there's another suggestion, feel free to voice them. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:10, 27 May 2012 (CDT) | :I know that it's kinda hard for me especially. I think at least the screencaps of firearms that are significant in an episode would do. Although if there's another suggestion, feel free to voice them. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 23:10, 27 May 2012 (CDT) | ||
:::Here is a suggestion. Cut them down. Pick out the best ones and delete the rest. The rules were created because different contributors from time to time so totally abused the system that the rules had to be implemented. Remember if you cannot police your own pages, Mods will eventually do it for you. But being the creator, we want you to do the final edits if possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:19, 28 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:: From the rules: "For a single character using a single weapon, the limit should be 7 screenshots. 10 is the limit if documenting multiple characters using the same type of weapon or specifically trying to validate a weapon which may be subject of debate." Exception could be made in the case of there being some good reason to do so in order to document the weapon fully, if anyone wants to argue that, but these are the general guidelines. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:02, 28 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
::: Letting you guys know that I didn't create the page, but a review would be done soon to see which screenshots would get the cut. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 03:25, 28 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
== This AK is Polish AKS-74 ? == | |||
Please a closer look at the right gun in the photo below. I do not think this AK is the AIMS-74. | |||
And there is no grip because. I think this is Polish AK's Wz.88 Tantal? | |||
[[File:U10 ai74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Girl on the right gun stance is that the AK.]] | |||
[[Image:AIMS-74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AIMS-74 - 5.45x39mm]] | |||
[[Image:Wz.88 Tantal.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wz.88 Tantal - 5.45x39mm]] | |||
Since I have not seen this anime, please discuss with everyone. -- [[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] 10:39, 12 June 2012 (JST) | |||
:Are there any more shots of this gun, as am not sure if we should be calling it a Tantal. Firstly it has the incorrect 45 degree gas block rather than the 90 degree on the Tantal (and most other 5.45mm rifles excluding the AIMS-74). Secondly it doesn't have any unique Tantal features as the muzzle is incorrect for the Tantal and the fire control selector on the left side is not seen. If there are other shots that show these features than fair enough, but as it stands I'm more inclined to say this is an AIMS-74, as this is the only rifle with the wire folding stock that has the 45 degree gas block (East German 5.45mm rifles had the 90 degree gas block as well). Incidentally they were also made with the straight lower handguard, and even if they weren't this is easily changed in real life. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:45, 4 September 2012 (CDT) | |||
== Different weapon classes now == | |||
I'm confused now. It looks like a straight up Eastern Bloc Assault Rifles vs the West, but now they throw in a Saiga shotgun and a RPK. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:35, 11 June 2012 (CDT) | |||
: Well I know the RPK has the same bullets as the AK-47. But yeah on the Saiga... [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 21:37, 11 June 2012 (CDT) | |||
::Well so does the SAW, the RPK is just a magazine fed LMG AK [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:50, 11 June 2012 (CDT) | |||
::: Way I see it, it's with the bullets (aside from the types of weapons involved). But bringing in shotguns is a new thing. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 17:18, 12 June 2012 (CDT) | |||
::::Old discussion, but in the Upotte!! universe shotguns are in middle school with the assault rifles, and sniper rifles are in high school with the battle rifles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:36, 20 February 2014 (EST) | |||
== More girls/guns on the range == | |||
We missed that there are a few girls on the left side of the range in the first episode. [http://i.imgur.com/AWaMpXa.png Here's a screencap], but it helps a lot if you watch the scene and see them move when firing. The closest is Ichihachi (AR-18), and we know from her to the right side, so it's just the further ones that we need to look at. The next closest is the only one seen in another shot (the one right before this one), and she looks QBZ-ish. The next I'm not sure, but it has some pretty distinct features, so an ID is certainly possible. Two out of frame, never seen at all, and the second-to-last is harder, but has one hell of a rear sight, and the last one is definitely a FAMAS, it's easier to tell when its animated. Also, while we don't need to list them as their guns don't appear, the team listings in episode 4 show Team Bravo as a C7 and an IMBEL MD; they were eliminated in the first round by Sako and Galil (the only off-screen match) and were the ones spying for Sako later, and Sig's partner was to be an FN CAL, who Sig did mention by name. [http://i.imgur.com/rWAGguK.png A/B/C/D] [http://i.imgur.com/5dGjco5.png E/F] [http://i.imgur.com/08DkDpe.png G/H] [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:36, 20 February 2014 (EST) | |||
== Gun characters with unseen guns == | |||
Since quite a few pages on this site have interesting trivia at the bottom, sometimes not even firearm related, can I add all the characters who's gun forms are never actually seen, like Principle Springfield, Garand, HK53, etc? Even if we don't see them, they're very much relevant to this site, and like I said, they would be at the very bottom of the page. I think we should also add the student list seen at the top of the talk page and list what we can see, not as separate entries obviously, but as one entry like we do for movies that have a giant pile of guns or a huge armoury. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:35, 22 February 2014 (EST) | |||
== question about SKS description in Upotte == | |||
I never watch the anime, so I got a question: why is an SKS rifle is included in the explanation on the origin of bullpup rifles? [[User:Johnny Akiba|Johnny Akiba]] ([[User talk:Johnny Akiba|talk]]) 19:46, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I believe it was just mentioned in passing, saying that whilst the west was trying to decide on an intermediate cartridge (in reference to the bullpup EM-2) the Soviets had introduced the 7.62x39mm with the SKS. Another question for people who have seen more of this anime than me, are the EM-2 and XL64E5 which briefly appear in this section classified within the anime itself as battle rifles, because if not then I believe they should both be in the assault rifle section. Granted the .280 British is possibly borderline, but it was intended at as an intermediate cartridge and is closer in performance to a 5.56x45mm than a 7.62x51mm round, but the 4.85x49mm has even less muzzle energy than a 5.56 so I do not see how it could be described as a battle rifle (at least in the way that the term battle rifle is used in this context).--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 21:10, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
:: | ::Full power vs intermediate is decided by muzzle energy, not calibre, right? Because the 7.62x39mm is an intermediate round despite being "bigger". I have the bluray and I'll check for sure when I'm able, but I agree with your reasoning. Those two prototypes appear in a real-world context explanation, they're not characters, so the show doesn't specify what they're classed as. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 01:26, 10 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
:::Intermediate is really a relative term, and it just means that it is a round that is between a full size round used in rifles/machine guns and pistol rounds in terms of energy. Intermediate rounds can have the same (or even larger) caliber than a full power round, but they will have less kick and muzzle energy due to a smaller powder load. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 10 July 2014 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 22:51, 2 January 2023
Behind The Scenes
The BD release features several behind the scenes videos on a variety of topics, a couple of which are relevant to this page. Misuzu Togashi (Ichiroku) and Saeko Zougou (Ichiyon) visit Chicago Regimentals, a shop in Tokyo that specializes in deactivated firearms; this shop is often mentioned by Kitsune Tennouji in the manga as where he obtains most of his large collection, or just goes to browse. Another behind the scenes section features Mariko Honda (Galil) and Chiharu Kitaoka (Ichihachi) visiting a military surplus store.
Discussion
Guns List
a list showing many guns , e.g F200 , ACR ,G11,ARX160 etc.
While it'd be fun to put all of them into the page, I don't think the anime will run that long. We will see AK derivs though, I believe the neko and the elf in the opening sequence is the Galil and some other deriv, if what I remember from people telling me about the manga...which I should read.--Jusuchin 11:54, 15 April 2012 (CDT)
Names
Anyone know if Funco is correct? Most translated versions of the manga has her spelled as 'Funko' which might mean daughter of FN if I remember my Japanese, while wiki has it as Funco which would be closer to 'FNC', the gun she is personifying.--Jusuchin 10:38, 8 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'm guessing either is correct in terms of sound and the Funco / Funko thing is an intentional pun that it's impossible to preserve in English. I know "Faru" is probably a phonetic mistranslation; Japanese has no luh-ruh distinction and tends to have terminal vowel sounds, so "Faru" is just how you render "Fal" in Japanese. Same with "Jiisuri" (pronounced "gee shree"). Also if they bother to translate the names the two American rifles are called "One Six" and "One Four."
- Can't say I've ever found this kind of thing appealing, but hey. Evil Tim 06:45, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
Japan has done it again
If something like this was broadcast in the UK people would have a fit, partially due to the guns and partially because of all the school girls going spread eagle in front of the camera.
Anyway, in the picture below, what is the rifle 3rd from the front, that appears to be on a sling?
It looks like it might be the AUG, but that barrel is too short for a conventional AUG.
Plus it looks like a different length from this picture:
There looks to be a couple more inches of actual barrel before the flash hider in the lower picture.
Anyone got any ideas? -- Timaman 06:09, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
This? Looks to be using the open-front flash hider design. The "sling" looks like the front "leg" of the sight drawn rather severely off-model. Evil Tim 06:48, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- Ahh yes I see what you mean about the scope. But the barrel still looks way too short. It looks like the barrel is at 1, possibly 2 inches shorter than it should be... Can you get a carbine/short barrel version of the A2? I'm not familiar with one. -- Timaman 07:19, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
Evil Tim 07:20, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
Explicit images
Am I the only one who frowned to see somewhat explicit content on this movie page? I am familiar with Manga, but the way I see it, here at IMFDB, both in images and in writing we should focus on the guns and not on (underaged?) girl's underwear. It is true that some good gun movies have explicit images but in these cases I think we should only show 'decent' screenshots, unless it's 200% necessary to do otherwise, --PeeWee055 14:20, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- While no doubt creepy, but still technically SFW. --Funkychinaman 14:28, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- This isn't explicit. Explicit is when you can actually see something. This, as noted, is just kinda creepy. Evil Tim 14:47, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'll second with Tim on this. Its a little weird, but if you know anything about Japan, then you know it is the weirdest country on the planet. If you haven't already, watch the Japanese Windows 7 advert ([1]). It is genuinely beyond belief how a country can accept it as 'Normal' (I would love to see Bill Gates reaction to it!) -- Timaman 15:41, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- Uh, really?..That's all? The way you were talking about this ad I thought it was going to have porn in it or something...and no, the host shaking her butt at the camera doesn't count! Even though it may seem odd to us to use animation for a commercial which is essentially aimed at adults, it's something that is ingrained and accepted in the culture. And considering what else is out there, I really didn't find anything extremely weird or overly disburbing about this ad at all.--Phillb36 21:28, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- Nothing we can do about it since it's already made. I just live with it though... Ominae 19:28, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- If this is for the images of the three Battle Rifles, I appologize, until the next episode where there are more Screenshot-worthy images of them using their gun-selves, the explicit shots remain. As for Funko/Funco's pictures, I imagine it'll be part of the plot, and also they are the best shots of the FN FNC besides the title card. The only other gun closeup screenshot to rival it would be those with Ichiroku and the M16A4.--Jusuchin 06:39, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
- Prudes. Temp89 11:13, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
- If this is for the images of the three Battle Rifles, I appologize, until the next episode where there are more Screenshot-worthy images of them using their gun-selves, the explicit shots remain. As for Funko/Funco's pictures, I imagine it'll be part of the plot, and also they are the best shots of the FN FNC besides the title card. The only other gun closeup screenshot to rival it would be those with Ichiroku and the M16A4.--Jusuchin 06:39, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
- Probably since, as someone who custom assembled their PC, I know that build a computer is NOT that easy. Fitting the parts isn't too bad, but wiring is soul destroying (particularly if you have multiple hard drives, optical drives, graphics cards and such) and installing the OS is... irritating to say the least. -- Timaman 13:55, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'm not really sure how the advertisement with the moe character giving an overview of a PC's components is "weird", at least compared to the number of bizarre advertisements and mascots that American television churns out. An OS-tan character is a rather tame example. There are far, far weirder Japanese adds out there (the BOSS canned coffee adds with Tommy Lee Jones come to mind).--PistolJunkie 16:19, 12 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'll second with Tim on this. Its a little weird, but if you know anything about Japan, then you know it is the weirdest country on the planet. If you haven't already, watch the Japanese Windows 7 advert ([1]). It is genuinely beyond belief how a country can accept it as 'Normal' (I would love to see Bill Gates reaction to it!) -- Timaman 15:41, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
- This isn't explicit. Explicit is when you can actually see something. This, as noted, is just kinda creepy. Evil Tim 14:47, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
It's all a question of perspective. Everything we do looks weird to them. "What, they have a cartoon mouse? Who doesn't have a battle robot?" Also, what would it be like to date a girl who was the personification of an assault rifle? Any ideas? Alasdair.
Analogy to the real thing
The characters in the show seemed to have personalities and traits that apparently is mirroring their real world counter part. I wonder how true is it that the SIG SG550 is the most accurate when compared to the M16, FNC, and the L85. They even mentioned how more accurate it is with the Swiss GP90 bullets. Excalibur01 15:52, 24 April 2012 (CDT)
- You can ascribe personalities to inanimate objects? The Wierd It 16:10, 24 April 2012 (CDT)
Well, the characters have traits that are like the guns Excalibur01 21:22, 24 April 2012 (CDT)
- I think the introduction of the Sako and Galil further proves that. Sixteen comments on why they were acting all high and mighty when the training/compeition was gonna take place in a Jungle (upon being shown Sixteen's history with the AK and the two being AK derivs). Also shown as well with Fourteen's comments on them being Western guns yet modeled after the AK ( a sentiment I'm sure shared by others). Also, Japan/China (forget which) has the tradition where an object/animal achieving a certain age (100 years I think) becomes 'alive', so no doubt the personification of inanimate objects is more 'common' or 'accepted' there than it would be here. Here in the US though, such concept would probably just fuel the meme that a loaded gun will shoot you regardless if a person is holding it or not. --Jusuchin 17:57, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
Same gun, same position, same picture!
First time posting...
I thought that image looked familiar Excalibur01 21:23, 24 April 2012 (CDT)
Congrats!
And this series has finally scored the Japanese weirdness hat trick: guns, schoolgirls, and cat girls. --Funkychinaman 23:59, 28 April 2012 (CDT)
At least the current episode didn't end up with up shots of girls again....the only reason I look at this show is the gun details, though I am waiting for them to introduce the new guns like SCAR or TAVOR or other popular guns Excalibur01 00:17, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- Must we bother with this? Ominae 00:25, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
For the sake of guns...yes...yes ONE of us has to. You don't have to if it offends you but if someone watched Human Centipede and made a page about that so...yeah. Excalibur01 00:32, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'll still watch this due to the gun action later on, but I just don't want to hear peeps complaining on and on and on... I feel that they're the ones being offended. Ominae 00:46, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'm not complaining, and I didn't want to start anything, I just think it's funny. (And the page looks great.) --Funkychinaman 00:55, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- Been working on the page since a while ago as I'm out of university for a while. Ominae 01:12, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- I knew when I made the page there will be people who would be finding offense or talking about it. I don't mind it, I'm loving the show because it loves to throw tidbits of trivia out there as part of the whole 'slice-of-life' aspect of the show. And shots of girls? I dunno, you probably didn't mind the parts of episode 4 where M16A4 was cleaning herself while in undies or M14 giving L85 a bath. Just saying, if you're gonna voice some concerns about the shots of the girls, hold it and just stick with the guns, don't have to make your position very clear on the talk page. --Jusuchin 17:53, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- Been working on the page since a while ago as I'm out of university for a while. Ominae 01:12, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
- I'm not complaining, and I didn't want to start anything, I just think it's funny. (And the page looks great.) --Funkychinaman 00:55, 29 April 2012 (CDT)
Hahah, M14 was cleaning L85 BeardedHoplite 21:04, 14 May 2012 (CDT)
P90 Airsoft
Is the P90 also an airsoft gun? You can see it has the adapter for taking STANAG magazines but I don't know if they exist in real life or are airsoft only. http://www.airsoftgi.com/images/airsoft-E1p90BoxMagC.jpg
- Airsoft only, that would never work with a real P90. Evil Tim 08:55, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
Early FAL
I have only seen the first episode (haven't gotten around to watching the rest yet), so what exactly is the context on the FAL that is labelled as 7.92x33mm? If they are trying to depict it as the first FAL they have gotten it totally wrong, with the 7.92mm FN Universal looking only vaguely like a modern FAL. As for what this is, It appears to be a bizarre hybrid with a C1 open topped dust cover, imperial receiver, smooth bolt (correct for metric and C1A1 but wrong for L1A1), L1A1 butt, early (no bipod cuts) FAL handguard and an imperial flash hider. So does that make this a C1A1 with... other bits? --commando552 16:52, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
Galil bottle opener
They made a sort of references when Galil bit into a bottle to pop the cap but the variant in the show doesn't have the bottle opener option Excalibur01 20:36, 14 May 2012 (CDT)
- I've been wondering about the Galil's bottle opener. I've always thought the bottle opener was actually under the handguard, but when I was looking it up on wiki, it says that the wire cutter actually serve as the bottle opener. Anyone know which is the correct one?--Wildcards 17:30, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIwtCL8CigI go to 6:44 and it will show you where the bottle opener is Excalibur01 21:23, 29 May 2012 (CDT)
- That's exactly where I always thought the bottle opener would be...so Wiki's wrong then. Is the bottle opener available on AR too, or is it on ARM only?--Wildcards 14:00, 31 May 2012 (CDT)
I think all Galil have the bottle opener but only the one with the bipod can you use it to cut wires Excalibur01 15:23, 31 May 2012 (CDT)
- I don't think there is a bottle opener built into the standard AR as that has a different handguard. On the AR the metal band at the back of the handguard is continuous without the gap in the middle to hook the bipod legs into. I've always kind of doubted that the bottle opener was a design feature, but was just adopted as standard by soldiers. Were bent magazine lips really happening with such frequency that they had to build a bottle opener in? Regardless, using the magazine lips is lacking in ingenuity. Better to fold the stock and use the claw part inside the pivot. --commando552 16:51, 31 May 2012 (CDT)
Somebody known a good movie/videogame where at least one feature (bottle opener or wire cutter) is CORRECTLY shown?--Dannyguns (talk) 03:50, 2 March 2017 (EST) PS : Video is no more avaiable
Too many screen caps for one gun
I think there's too many gun pics for a lot of the firearms on this page. I think 5 is already pushing it Excalibur01 21:51, 27 May 2012 (CDT)
- I know that it's kinda hard for me especially. I think at least the screencaps of firearms that are significant in an episode would do. Although if there's another suggestion, feel free to voice them. Ominae 23:10, 27 May 2012 (CDT)
- Here is a suggestion. Cut them down. Pick out the best ones and delete the rest. The rules were created because different contributors from time to time so totally abused the system that the rules had to be implemented. Remember if you cannot police your own pages, Mods will eventually do it for you. But being the creator, we want you to do the final edits if possible. MoviePropMaster2008 02:19, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
- From the rules: "For a single character using a single weapon, the limit should be 7 screenshots. 10 is the limit if documenting multiple characters using the same type of weapon or specifically trying to validate a weapon which may be subject of debate." Exception could be made in the case of there being some good reason to do so in order to document the weapon fully, if anyone wants to argue that, but these are the general guidelines. Evil Tim 01:02, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
- Letting you guys know that I didn't create the page, but a review would be done soon to see which screenshots would get the cut. Ominae 03:25, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
This AK is Polish AKS-74 ?
Please a closer look at the right gun in the photo below. I do not think this AK is the AIMS-74. And there is no grip because. I think this is Polish AK's Wz.88 Tantal?
Since I have not seen this anime, please discuss with everyone. -- KINKI'boy 10:39, 12 June 2012 (JST)
- Are there any more shots of this gun, as am not sure if we should be calling it a Tantal. Firstly it has the incorrect 45 degree gas block rather than the 90 degree on the Tantal (and most other 5.45mm rifles excluding the AIMS-74). Secondly it doesn't have any unique Tantal features as the muzzle is incorrect for the Tantal and the fire control selector on the left side is not seen. If there are other shots that show these features than fair enough, but as it stands I'm more inclined to say this is an AIMS-74, as this is the only rifle with the wire folding stock that has the 45 degree gas block (East German 5.45mm rifles had the 90 degree gas block as well). Incidentally they were also made with the straight lower handguard, and even if they weren't this is easily changed in real life. --commando552 05:45, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
Different weapon classes now
I'm confused now. It looks like a straight up Eastern Bloc Assault Rifles vs the West, but now they throw in a Saiga shotgun and a RPK. Excalibur01 21:35, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
- Well I know the RPK has the same bullets as the AK-47. But yeah on the Saiga... Ominae 21:37, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
- Well so does the SAW, the RPK is just a magazine fed LMG AK Excalibur01 21:50, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
- Way I see it, it's with the bullets (aside from the types of weapons involved). But bringing in shotguns is a new thing. Ominae 17:18, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
- Old discussion, but in the Upotte!! universe shotguns are in middle school with the assault rifles, and sniper rifles are in high school with the battle rifles. Alex T Snow (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2014 (EST)
- Way I see it, it's with the bullets (aside from the types of weapons involved). But bringing in shotguns is a new thing. Ominae 17:18, 12 June 2012 (CDT)
- Well so does the SAW, the RPK is just a magazine fed LMG AK Excalibur01 21:50, 11 June 2012 (CDT)
More girls/guns on the range
We missed that there are a few girls on the left side of the range in the first episode. Here's a screencap, but it helps a lot if you watch the scene and see them move when firing. The closest is Ichihachi (AR-18), and we know from her to the right side, so it's just the further ones that we need to look at. The next closest is the only one seen in another shot (the one right before this one), and she looks QBZ-ish. The next I'm not sure, but it has some pretty distinct features, so an ID is certainly possible. Two out of frame, never seen at all, and the second-to-last is harder, but has one hell of a rear sight, and the last one is definitely a FAMAS, it's easier to tell when its animated. Also, while we don't need to list them as their guns don't appear, the team listings in episode 4 show Team Bravo as a C7 and an IMBEL MD; they were eliminated in the first round by Sako and Galil (the only off-screen match) and were the ones spying for Sako later, and Sig's partner was to be an FN CAL, who Sig did mention by name. A/B/C/D E/F G/H Alex T Snow (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2014 (EST)
Gun characters with unseen guns
Since quite a few pages on this site have interesting trivia at the bottom, sometimes not even firearm related, can I add all the characters who's gun forms are never actually seen, like Principle Springfield, Garand, HK53, etc? Even if we don't see them, they're very much relevant to this site, and like I said, they would be at the very bottom of the page. I think we should also add the student list seen at the top of the talk page and list what we can see, not as separate entries obviously, but as one entry like we do for movies that have a giant pile of guns or a huge armoury. Alex T Snow (talk) 19:35, 22 February 2014 (EST)
question about SKS description in Upotte
I never watch the anime, so I got a question: why is an SKS rifle is included in the explanation on the origin of bullpup rifles? Johnny Akiba (talk) 19:46, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
- I believe it was just mentioned in passing, saying that whilst the west was trying to decide on an intermediate cartridge (in reference to the bullpup EM-2) the Soviets had introduced the 7.62x39mm with the SKS. Another question for people who have seen more of this anime than me, are the EM-2 and XL64E5 which briefly appear in this section classified within the anime itself as battle rifles, because if not then I believe they should both be in the assault rifle section. Granted the .280 British is possibly borderline, but it was intended at as an intermediate cartridge and is closer in performance to a 5.56x45mm than a 7.62x51mm round, but the 4.85x49mm has even less muzzle energy than a 5.56 so I do not see how it could be described as a battle rifle (at least in the way that the term battle rifle is used in this context).--commando552 (talk) 21:10, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
- Full power vs intermediate is decided by muzzle energy, not calibre, right? Because the 7.62x39mm is an intermediate round despite being "bigger". I have the bluray and I'll check for sure when I'm able, but I agree with your reasoning. Those two prototypes appear in a real-world context explanation, they're not characters, so the show doesn't specify what they're classed as. Alex T Snow (talk) 01:26, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
- Intermediate is really a relative term, and it just means that it is a round that is between a full size round used in rifles/machine guns and pistol rounds in terms of energy. Intermediate rounds can have the same (or even larger) caliber than a full power round, but they will have less kick and muzzle energy due to a smaller powder load. --commando552 (talk) 13:39, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
- Full power vs intermediate is decided by muzzle energy, not calibre, right? Because the 7.62x39mm is an intermediate round despite being "bigger". I have the bluray and I'll check for sure when I'm able, but I agree with your reasoning. Those two prototypes appear in a real-world context explanation, they're not characters, so the show doesn't specify what they're classed as. Alex T Snow (talk) 01:26, 10 July 2014 (EDT)