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= Additional Images = | |||
[[File:LB Whittlesey M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Charles Whittlesey ([[Rick Schroder]]) checks the time, Colt M1911 in hand.]] | |||
[[File:LB Whittlesey M1911 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Whittlesey with his M1911.]] | |||
[[File:LB Whittlesey M1911 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Whittlesey slides a new magazine into his M1911.]] | |||
[[File:LB McMurtry M1911 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Boom! Headshot'''.]] | |||
[[File:LB McMurtry M1911 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hammer of McMurtry's M1911 draws back as he runs out of ammo.]] | |||
[[File:LB Leak M1917 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Leak advances at German soldiers, revolver in hand. He manages to overextend himself and his welcome.]] | |||
[[File:LB_German_Luger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier fires his Luger P08 at a carrier pidgeon. Said pidgeon was Cher Ami, who, despite being wounded, managed to return to H.Q. and inform them that US Artillery Batteries were firing on the 308th.]] | |||
[[File:LB Lipasti M1917.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Lipasti ([[André Vippolis]]) cleans his M1917.]] | |||
[[File:LB Americans M1917.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American soldiers from K Company, 307th Infantry aim their Enfield's.]] | |||
[[File:LB Krotoshinsky M1917.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Abraham Krotoshinsky ([[Arthur Kremer]]) struggles to load a 5-round stripper clip into the chamber of his rifle. This scene, including Major Charles Whittlesey's ([[Rick Schroder]]) encouragement, is reminiscent of Episode 3, ''Carentan'', in [[Band of Brothers]], when Captain Winters ([[Damien Lewis]]) trys to help Pvt. Albert Blythe ([[Mark Warren]]) fire his [[M1 Garand]] during the Battle of Bloody Gulch.]] | |||
[[File:LB Krotoshinsky M1917 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Krotoshinsky succeeds in firing. Close inspection shows that the rifle has not yet been rechambered for another round.]] | |||
[[File:LB Yoder M1917 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharpshooter Pvt. Bob Yoder ([[Rhys Miles Thomas]]) takes aim at a nuisance German sniper.]] | |||
[[File:LB Yoder M1917 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Satisfied with a successful kill, Yoder works the bolt on his Enfield.]] | |||
[[File:LB Whittlesey M1917 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An over-the-shoulder view of Major Whittlesey as he works his Enfield.]] | |||
[[File:LB Lipasti M1917 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Lipasti fires at German Sturmtruppen with his M1917.]] | |||
[[File:LB German CzechMauser 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier works the bolt on his VZ-98/22 Czech Mauser at advancing American doughboys during the first assault.]] | |||
[[File:LB German CzechMauser 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier guns down an American counterpart. Note the straight bolt handle.]] | |||
[[File:LB German CzechMauser 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German soldiers fire on an American reconaissance airplane.]] | |||
[[File:LB German CzechMauser 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier checks a dead American. Note the long hand guard and flat tangent sights, identifying the rifle as a Czech Mauser as opposed to a [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]].]] | |||
[[File:LB German CzechMauser 6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier aims his VZ-98/22, giving us a good look at the bolt-action mechanism and the rear sight.]] | |||
[[File:LB German CzechMauser 8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The aforementioned German soldier holds his Czech Mauser on Pvt. Lowell R. Hollingshead ([[George Calil]]).]] | |||
[[File:LB Sniper Gewehr.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper aims his Mauser Gewehr 1898. The prominent tangent sights suggest an authentic Gewehr 1898 rather then a Czech Mauser.]] | |||
[[File:LB Sniper Gewehr 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sniper presents the rest of his rifle and himself, presenting a nice target for sharpshooter Pvt. Bob Yoder ([[Rhys Thomas Miles]]).]] | |||
[[File:LB Hotchkiss 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henchman and Hollingshead rest by their Hotchkiss during a lull in the fighting.]] | |||
[[File:LB Hotchkiss 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good look at the stripper-clip feed of the Hotchkiss. Hollingshead is holding a [[Chauchat]] light machine gun.]] | |||
[[File:LB Hotchkiss 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel of the Hotchkiss can be seen behind Pvt. Henchman.]] | |||
[[File:LB Cepaglia Chauchat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Phillip Cepeglia ([[Daniel Caltagirone]]) shows the Chauchat to the new arrivals.]] | |||
[[File:LB Hollingshead Chauchat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Lowell R. Hollingshead ([[George Calil]]) with the Chauchat.]] | |||
[[File:LB Hollingshead Chauchat 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hollingshead advances, Chauchat slung.]] | |||
[[File:LB Hollingshead Chauchat 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hollingshead with the Chauchat. You can see the bullets in the magazine. When the gun was fired, the proximity of the magazine to the ground caused a problem with jamming.]] | |||
[[File:LB Krotoshinsky Chauchat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Abraham Krotoshinsky ([[Arthur Kremer]]) replaces the "banana-clip" magazine in the Chauchat.]] | |||
[[File:LB German Maxim.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German soldiers fire the Maxim MG08.]] | |||
[[File:LB MaximGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An abandoned Maxim, crew K.I.A, in a machine gun nest.]] | |||
[[File:LB Gaedeke Mills.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Gaedeke ([[Jamie Harris]]) pulls the pin on a Mills Bomb.]] | |||
[[File:LB German PotatoMasher.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier arms the Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]] | |||
[[File:LB German PotatoMasher 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same grenade, sailing towards some unfortunately doughboys.]] | |||
[[File:LB German Flammenwerfer 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sturmtruppen opens up with his Flammenwerfer.]] | |||
[[File:LB German Flammenwerfer 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good shot of the gas tank.]] | |||
[[File:LB Rosen Flammenwerfer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Jacob Rosen ([[Michael Goldstrom]]) wrestles with a Sturmtruppen for control of the gas tank, managing to get the latter to burn several of his comrades alive.]] | |||
= Discussion = | |||
Am changing this to MOVIE instead of TELEVISION. Though it was a made for Television, it was a MOVIE, as are Direct to Video Titles or cable movies. Television refers to recurring episodic series. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC) | Am changing this to MOVIE instead of TELEVISION. Though it was a made for Television, it was a MOVIE, as are Direct to Video Titles or cable movies. Television refers to recurring episodic series. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I'm going to screencap the rest of this movie when i have the chance.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
== "Gewehr 98s" == | |||
Those aren't actual Gewehr 98s in the pictures. Long handguards and no Lange sight. They're probably Czech 98/22s. | |||
== 1 Handed vs. 2 handed grip == | |||
In the pictures it seems only Captain Holderman is using a 2 handed grip on his 1911, but all other officers with pistols were using a 1 handed grip. Was the 2 handed grip taught during WW1 or did James just prefer the 2 handed grip over a 1 handed grip? | |||
--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Maybe it was just the actor's preferred method of holding it. Some might be more comfortable with the 2 handed grip. [[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 03:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
The One handed grip was taught to military and law enforcement in the early 1900s carried over from the previous eras of revolvers and even handguns before those. 2 hand grips that are the standard now came slowly but eventually replaces the 1 hand grip only and the 1 hand grip is taught in the event your other hand is disabled or you are holding something else if your other hand. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Actually, yes, that explains it. In the movie, Captain McMurtry is wounded by shrapnel, so he would have to use the 1 hand grip on account of his other arm being useless. [[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]], 05:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== M1911A1? == | |||
I think this one is an M1911A1, since it has the cuts near the trigger. There's also a crimp in the magazine, so maybe this is a 9mm model. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:23, 19 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:LB Whittlesey M1911 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Whittlesey slides a new magazine into his M1911.]] | |||
:It seems to me that this pistol has a flat mainspring housing. If I'm not wrong, this feature in combination with the relief cuts matches Colt Series 80. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 07:44, 19 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
::So is this just a one-off goof or do you think he's using one the entire film? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:01, 19 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::Whittlesey's pistol look the same on this screenshot and the one above, the cuts can be seen on both. Images of McMurtry's pistol doesn't show the frame next to trigger or mainspring housing, so it can be of the same or of another version than Whittlesey's one. I haven't seen this film so I cannot add anything new. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 08:38, 19 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
::::It's a pretty good film. I guess we can just mark Whittlesey's as the Series 80, since it's the only one we're sure of. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:27, 19 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Gewehr 98 == | |||
It looks like a real Gewehr 98 was also indiscriminately thrown out. The sniper also looks like he's utilizing the Stirnpanzer brow plate, appropriate for a sniper. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 08:12, 19 August 2014 (EDT) | |||
[[File:LB Sniper Gewehr.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper aims his Mauser Gewehr 1898. The prominent tangent sights suggest an authentic Gewehr 1898 rather then a Czech Mauser.]] | |||
[[File:LB Sniper Gewehr 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sniper presents the rest of his rifle and himself, presenting a nice target for sharpshooter Pvt. Bob Yoder ([[Rhys Thomas Miles]]).]] | |||
Latest revision as of 21:58, 28 July 2023
Additional Images
Discussion
Am changing this to MOVIE instead of TELEVISION. Though it was a made for Television, it was a MOVIE, as are Direct to Video Titles or cable movies. Television refers to recurring episodic series. MoviePropMaster2008 17:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'm going to screencap the rest of this movie when i have the chance.-Oliveira 16:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
"Gewehr 98s"
Those aren't actual Gewehr 98s in the pictures. Long handguards and no Lange sight. They're probably Czech 98/22s.
1 Handed vs. 2 handed grip
In the pictures it seems only Captain Holderman is using a 2 handed grip on his 1911, but all other officers with pistols were using a 1 handed grip. Was the 2 handed grip taught during WW1 or did James just prefer the 2 handed grip over a 1 handed grip? --MarineCorps1 02:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe it was just the actor's preferred method of holding it. Some might be more comfortable with the 2 handed grip. Crackshot 03:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
The One handed grip was taught to military and law enforcement in the early 1900s carried over from the previous eras of revolvers and even handguns before those. 2 hand grips that are the standard now came slowly but eventually replaces the 1 hand grip only and the 1 hand grip is taught in the event your other hand is disabled or you are holding something else if your other hand. Excalibur01 04:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, yes, that explains it. In the movie, Captain McMurtry is wounded by shrapnel, so he would have to use the 1 hand grip on account of his other arm being useless. Crackshot, 05:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
M1911A1?
I think this one is an M1911A1, since it has the cuts near the trigger. There's also a crimp in the magazine, so maybe this is a 9mm model. --Funkychinaman (talk) 07:23, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
- It seems to me that this pistol has a flat mainspring housing. If I'm not wrong, this feature in combination with the relief cuts matches Colt Series 80. Greg-Z (talk) 07:44, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
- So is this just a one-off goof or do you think he's using one the entire film? --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:01, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
- Whittlesey's pistol look the same on this screenshot and the one above, the cuts can be seen on both. Images of McMurtry's pistol doesn't show the frame next to trigger or mainspring housing, so it can be of the same or of another version than Whittlesey's one. I haven't seen this film so I cannot add anything new. Greg-Z (talk) 08:38, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
- It's a pretty good film. I guess we can just mark Whittlesey's as the Series 80, since it's the only one we're sure of. --Funkychinaman (talk) 09:27, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
- Whittlesey's pistol look the same on this screenshot and the one above, the cuts can be seen on both. Images of McMurtry's pistol doesn't show the frame next to trigger or mainspring housing, so it can be of the same or of another version than Whittlesey's one. I haven't seen this film so I cannot add anything new. Greg-Z (talk) 08:38, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
- So is this just a one-off goof or do you think he's using one the entire film? --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:01, 19 August 2014 (EDT)
Gewehr 98
It looks like a real Gewehr 98 was also indiscriminately thrown out. The sniper also looks like he's utilizing the Stirnpanzer brow plate, appropriate for a sniper. --Funkychinaman (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2014 (EDT)