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=Armor= | |||
==M60 tank== | |||
During their attack on the airport of Algiers, Legionnaires use a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_Patton M60 Patton tank] to crush a roadblock that has been set up by French troops who are trying to ensure a peaceful transition to independence. | |||
[[Image:Deserter2002-m60tank-02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
==Sherman tank== | |||
Several versions of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman?uselang=nl Sherman tank] can be seen on a television newscast about the unrest in Algeria following the upcoming independence from France. | |||
[[Image:Deserter2002-Sherman-01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] | |||
Are the screenshots of the Patton and Sherman tanks on the main page really necessary? I see no problem with mentioning what they are in passing if one appears in the background of a screenshot used to identify a firearm, but having a subsection with screenshots of the tanks just to say, "This is an M60 Patton battle tank", is out of IMFDB's scope, isn't it? That's more IMCDB's department and with the seemingly more widespread acceptance of having knives, bows, and whatnot on pages, it's starting to seem like IMFDB is taking a turn toward becoming the Internet Movie ''Props'' Database. :\ [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:44, 9 April 2012 (CDT) | Are the screenshots of the Patton and Sherman tanks on the main page really necessary? I see no problem with mentioning what they are in passing if one appears in the background of a screenshot used to identify a firearm, but having a subsection with screenshots of the tanks just to say, "This is an M60 Patton battle tank", is out of IMFDB's scope, isn't it? That's more IMCDB's department and with the seemingly more widespread acceptance of having knives, bows, and whatnot on pages, it's starting to seem like IMFDB is taking a turn toward becoming the Internet Movie ''Props'' Database. :\ [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:44, 9 April 2012 (CDT) | ||
:::Don't recall how long you've been a member [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] but Gun platforms are allowed on movie pages as long as the primary and secondary armament are identified. Those technically count as a 'gun' appearance. Gun platforms have been around nearly as long as IMFDB has existed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:44, 9 April 2012 (CDT) | :::Don't recall how long you've been a member [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] but I think it's been at least back to 2009. During that time, Gun platforms are allowed on movie pages as long as the primary and secondary armament are identified. Those technically count as a 'gun' appearance. Gun platforms have been around nearly as long as IMFDB has existed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:44, 9 April 2012 (CDT) | ||
:Not sure we have any more knives or bows than we used to (explosive bows are typically allowed, but that's about it). MPM has said it's ok for a page to have a "gun platforms" section at the bottom to identify military vehicles which carry weapons, though this isn't very common; see ''[[Red Dawn]]'' for an example of that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:55, 9 April 2012 (CDT) | :Not sure we have any more knives or bows than we used to (explosive bows are typically allowed, but that's about it). MPM has said it's ok for a page to have a "gun platforms" section at the bottom to identify military vehicles which carry weapons, though this isn't very common; see ''[[Red Dawn]]'' for an example of that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:55, 9 April 2012 (CDT) | ||
::Thanks for the comments, my apologies to mention the tanks on the gunpage. Was just trying to be complete, will take care next time, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 14:27, 10 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
=Movie poster= | |||
Does anybody know why sometimes movie covers are so full of anachronisms? Below cover seems to be one of the official ones, but it shows too many mistakes to be credible (for an IMFDB contributor at least). For this movie taking place in the early 1960's, it shows e.g. what looks like an [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG-Sauer P228| SIG-Sauer P228]] (introduced 1988...), a few Russian Hind attack helicopters (introduced 1969...) and some other military items that seem to have been taken randomly from photostock archives. Maybe they ran out of budget? Still a pretty good movie though, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 14:38, 10 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
[[Image:Deserter2002-alternativeposter.jpg|thumb|none|300px]] | |||
It mentions some of Tom Hardy's more recent roles, so maybe it qas a quick and lazy attempt to get the fact Mr. Hardy was in the movie out there. And is that a WWII-era Panzer III in the bottom left? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:06, 10 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
Yes, there's a Panzer III/IV on the bottom left and what looks like T-72 on the right. Weird.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 22:34, 10 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
== SIG P210 == | |||
It should be noted that the SIG P210s shown here are stand-ins for actual French military sidearms of the period, most especially the French model 1935A, which was the design basis for the P210. Additionally, the 1935S (a separate pistol from the model 1935A, with a different design from a different manufacturer, but also in 7.65 long) and 9mm 1950 (derived from the 1935S) would have been in use, as were assorted WWII sidearms, Allied and Axis, until replaced by the model 1950 as it became available (a process that extended into the 1960s). [[User:Gun Shy|Gun Shy]] ([[User talk:Gun Shy|talk]]) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:55, 5 May 2013
Armor
M60 tank
During their attack on the airport of Algiers, Legionnaires use a M60 Patton tank to crush a roadblock that has been set up by French troops who are trying to ensure a peaceful transition to independence.
Sherman tank
Several versions of the Sherman tank can be seen on a television newscast about the unrest in Algeria following the upcoming independence from France.
Are the screenshots of the Patton and Sherman tanks on the main page really necessary? I see no problem with mentioning what they are in passing if one appears in the background of a screenshot used to identify a firearm, but having a subsection with screenshots of the tanks just to say, "This is an M60 Patton battle tank", is out of IMFDB's scope, isn't it? That's more IMCDB's department and with the seemingly more widespread acceptance of having knives, bows, and whatnot on pages, it's starting to seem like IMFDB is taking a turn toward becoming the Internet Movie Props Database. :\ Spartan198 21:44, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
- Don't recall how long you've been a member Spartan198 but I think it's been at least back to 2009. During that time, Gun platforms are allowed on movie pages as long as the primary and secondary armament are identified. Those technically count as a 'gun' appearance. Gun platforms have been around nearly as long as IMFDB has existed. MoviePropMaster2008 23:44, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
- Not sure we have any more knives or bows than we used to (explosive bows are typically allowed, but that's about it). MPM has said it's ok for a page to have a "gun platforms" section at the bottom to identify military vehicles which carry weapons, though this isn't very common; see Red Dawn for an example of that. Evil Tim 21:55, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
- Thanks for the comments, my apologies to mention the tanks on the gunpage. Was just trying to be complete, will take care next time, --PeeWee055 14:27, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
Movie poster
Does anybody know why sometimes movie covers are so full of anachronisms? Below cover seems to be one of the official ones, but it shows too many mistakes to be credible (for an IMFDB contributor at least). For this movie taking place in the early 1960's, it shows e.g. what looks like an SIG-Sauer P228 (introduced 1988...), a few Russian Hind attack helicopters (introduced 1969...) and some other military items that seem to have been taken randomly from photostock archives. Maybe they ran out of budget? Still a pretty good movie though, --PeeWee055 14:38, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
It mentions some of Tom Hardy's more recent roles, so maybe it qas a quick and lazy attempt to get the fact Mr. Hardy was in the movie out there. And is that a WWII-era Panzer III in the bottom left? BeardedHoplite 21:06, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
Yes, there's a Panzer III/IV on the bottom left and what looks like T-72 on the right. Weird.--Mandolin 22:34, 10 April 2012 (CDT)
SIG P210
It should be noted that the SIG P210s shown here are stand-ins for actual French military sidearms of the period, most especially the French model 1935A, which was the design basis for the P210. Additionally, the 1935S (a separate pistol from the model 1935A, with a different design from a different manufacturer, but also in 7.65 long) and 9mm 1950 (derived from the 1935S) would have been in use, as were assorted WWII sidearms, Allied and Axis, until replaced by the model 1950 as it became available (a process that extended into the 1960s). Gun Shy (talk)