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Whoever created the page forgot the "0-1" section for the trigger pack group. the "0-1" is not the same as the S-E-F and is indicative of semi auto only civilian sales. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:18, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:Alright, thanks for the heads up. I will add that into the page.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:49, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
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YESS!!!!!!!! This is sorely needed! Thanks for doing this! You have a typo that I didn't want to mess with because I know you are working on this currently but to make sure you see it... '''[[Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5_Identification_Guide#Paddle|Here]]'''. Thanks again! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:25, 31 March 2012 (CDT) | YESS!!!!!!!! This is sorely needed! Thanks for doing this! You have a typo that I didn't want to mess with because I know you are working on this currently but to make sure you see it... '''[[Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5_Identification_Guide#Paddle|Here]]'''. Thanks again! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:25, 31 March 2012 (CDT) | ||
:Thanks, I probably would have missed that. No problem, I was bored and decided to make this.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 00:49, 31 March 2012 (CDT) | :Thanks, I probably would have missed that. No problem, I was bored and decided to make this.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 00:49, 31 March 2012 (CDT) | ||
Good job but I think the MK5KN is wrong, that is just an MP5K with a Navy trigger group. The MP5KN is an MP5K with the Navy group but with the longer threaded and lugged barrel found on the PDW. The PDW was actually developed from the MP5KN simply by adding a folding stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:51, 31 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Great site, thank you a lot!! Fantastic idea! - hchris | |||
==Varients of other weapons== | |||
While I know it's really a G3 varient I think that the Flemming HK51K should go on this page as it can be confused for a MP5K from some angles. | |||
[[Image:HK51K.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Fleming HK51K - 7.62x51mm NATO]] | |||
[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:48, 1 April 2012 (CDT) | |||
There is no possible way someone will confuse this big old mag for an MP5K [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:57, 3 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:He's talking about the rest of the gun, not just the magazine; considering that the entire ''purpose'' of the HK51K seems to have been to make a G3 that could pass for an MP5 to a casual viewer, I'm fairly sure it would qualify under a subsection for things which resemble MP5 family weapons but aren't them. As below, it's worth including to explain it's a converted G3 rather than a converted MP5, even if it's more than slightly unlikely that anyone's going to need to ID a one-off weapon like the HK51K. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:48, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
== HK53? == | |||
Why do we have the HK53 on the list? It isn't a 5.56 version of the MP5, it's a carbine version of the HK33. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 4:26, 3 May 2012 (PST) | |||
:It's not an exact guide as like the other ID Guides it covers things that look like a MP5 and could be confused by someone who isn't an expert on these things [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:52, 3 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
::True, true. I just hope we can get it more cleaned up. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:43, 3 May 2012 (PST) | |||
:::What's not clean about it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:45, 3 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
Remove the HK53 since it isn't a variant of the MP5. If you think about it, all the HK guns including the MP5 and the HK33 are different calibers of the G3 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:This isn't a list of MP5 variants (we already have that), but rather a guide to all things that could be considered an "MP5" by the average person. If they see something that they know is an MP5, but not which model, then they can come here and use the glossary and descriptions to determine the exact model. Much like the HK94, the HK53 is not an MP5, but looks close enough to it to be confused with the real deal. However, I always defer to the mods, so off it goes.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 00:06, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
::Well I AM a mod and I don't think the HK53 fits as even a look a like to an MP5 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:22, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
:::It looks like an MP5 with a thicker magazine. I have no idea how you could possibly think it doesn't look like an MP5. On the other hand, the lead-in would need altering to include it, since at the moment it says "This page is intended as a guide to identify the various H&K manufactured MP5 variants" rather than "this is a guide to identify MP5 variants and weapons which could casually be confused for such." Weapons which aren't MP5 family (like the 5.56 MP5-alikes) would probably be better in a seperate table specifically saying they're ''not'' MP5 variants. It's a bit like if you had a table of raccoons and you included the red panda out of the need to point out it looks like a raccoon but isn't one. It would be ''very'' easy for someone to think that the HK53 is a 5.56 version of the MP5 rather than a shortened version of a full-sized rifle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
::::Well, for the HK53 part in the guide part at the top, we could put a note, like: "*NOT actual variant of MP5", and we could NOT write that the HK53 is a variant of the MP5 in the section for its magazine. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:06, 4 May 2012 (PST) | |||
:::::Okay, I did not know someone had added that into the mag section. My bad for not catching that. I am also revising the intro/lead-in to better describe the page and state that not all guns are MP5s. The HK94 and SP89 are not MP5s, but rather built off of the MP5 design. Anyway, we need a decision. I think that any gun resembling the MP5 in ANY way should be added. Other than the flash hider and thicker mag, the HK53 has the same design and build as an MP5. If the issue is caliber, keep in mind that we also have the 10mm and .40S&W as well. These identification pages are not meant to be technical, but rather designed for someone who has no knowledge of firearms beyond CoD.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 17:02, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
"However, I always defer to the mods". I find this to be a very good strategy. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 13:06, 4 May 2012 (CDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 22:02, 4 May 2012
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Whoever created the page forgot the "0-1" section for the trigger pack group. the "0-1" is not the same as the S-E-F and is indicative of semi auto only civilian sales. MoviePropMaster2008 14:18, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
- Alright, thanks for the heads up. I will add that into the page.----JazzBlackBelt-- 16:49, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
YESS!!!!!!!! This is sorely needed! Thanks for doing this! You have a typo that I didn't want to mess with because I know you are working on this currently but to make sure you see it... Here. Thanks again! --Zackmann08 00:25, 31 March 2012 (CDT)
- Thanks, I probably would have missed that. No problem, I was bored and decided to make this.----JazzBlackBelt-- 00:49, 31 March 2012 (CDT)
Good job but I think the MK5KN is wrong, that is just an MP5K with a Navy trigger group. The MP5KN is an MP5K with the Navy group but with the longer threaded and lugged barrel found on the PDW. The PDW was actually developed from the MP5KN simply by adding a folding stock. --commando552 03:51, 31 March 2012 (CDT)
Great site, thank you a lot!! Fantastic idea! - hchris
Varients of other weapons
While I know it's really a G3 varient I think that the Flemming HK51K should go on this page as it can be confused for a MP5K from some angles.
Rockwolf66 02:48, 1 April 2012 (CDT)
There is no possible way someone will confuse this big old mag for an MP5K Excalibur01 22:57, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
- He's talking about the rest of the gun, not just the magazine; considering that the entire purpose of the HK51K seems to have been to make a G3 that could pass for an MP5 to a casual viewer, I'm fairly sure it would qualify under a subsection for things which resemble MP5 family weapons but aren't them. As below, it's worth including to explain it's a converted G3 rather than a converted MP5, even if it's more than slightly unlikely that anyone's going to need to ID a one-off weapon like the HK51K. Evil Tim 07:48, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
HK53?
Why do we have the HK53 on the list? It isn't a 5.56 version of the MP5, it's a carbine version of the HK33. Jeddostotle7 4:26, 3 May 2012 (PST)
- It's not an exact guide as like the other ID Guides it covers things that look like a MP5 and could be confused by someone who isn't an expert on these things Rockwolf66 19:52, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
- True, true. I just hope we can get it more cleaned up. Jeddostotle7 7:43, 3 May 2012 (PST)
- What's not clean about it?----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:45, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
- True, true. I just hope we can get it more cleaned up. Jeddostotle7 7:43, 3 May 2012 (PST)
Remove the HK53 since it isn't a variant of the MP5. If you think about it, all the HK guns including the MP5 and the HK33 are different calibers of the G3 Excalibur01 22:58, 3 May 2012 (CDT)
- This isn't a list of MP5 variants (we already have that), but rather a guide to all things that could be considered an "MP5" by the average person. If they see something that they know is an MP5, but not which model, then they can come here and use the glossary and descriptions to determine the exact model. Much like the HK94, the HK53 is not an MP5, but looks close enough to it to be confused with the real deal. However, I always defer to the mods, so off it goes.----JazzBlackBelt-- 00:06, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
- Well I AM a mod and I don't think the HK53 fits as even a look a like to an MP5 Excalibur01 07:22, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
- It looks like an MP5 with a thicker magazine. I have no idea how you could possibly think it doesn't look like an MP5. On the other hand, the lead-in would need altering to include it, since at the moment it says "This page is intended as a guide to identify the various H&K manufactured MP5 variants" rather than "this is a guide to identify MP5 variants and weapons which could casually be confused for such." Weapons which aren't MP5 family (like the 5.56 MP5-alikes) would probably be better in a seperate table specifically saying they're not MP5 variants. It's a bit like if you had a table of raccoons and you included the red panda out of the need to point out it looks like a raccoon but isn't one. It would be very easy for someone to think that the HK53 is a 5.56 version of the MP5 rather than a shortened version of a full-sized rifle. Evil Tim 07:39, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
- Well, for the HK53 part in the guide part at the top, we could put a note, like: "*NOT actual variant of MP5", and we could NOT write that the HK53 is a variant of the MP5 in the section for its magazine. Jeddostotle7 7:06, 4 May 2012 (PST)
- Okay, I did not know someone had added that into the mag section. My bad for not catching that. I am also revising the intro/lead-in to better describe the page and state that not all guns are MP5s. The HK94 and SP89 are not MP5s, but rather built off of the MP5 design. Anyway, we need a decision. I think that any gun resembling the MP5 in ANY way should be added. Other than the flash hider and thicker mag, the HK53 has the same design and build as an MP5. If the issue is caliber, keep in mind that we also have the 10mm and .40S&W as well. These identification pages are not meant to be technical, but rather designed for someone who has no knowledge of firearms beyond CoD.----JazzBlackBelt-- 17:02, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
- Well, for the HK53 part in the guide part at the top, we could put a note, like: "*NOT actual variant of MP5", and we could NOT write that the HK53 is a variant of the MP5 in the section for its magazine. Jeddostotle7 7:06, 4 May 2012 (PST)
- It looks like an MP5 with a thicker magazine. I have no idea how you could possibly think it doesn't look like an MP5. On the other hand, the lead-in would need altering to include it, since at the moment it says "This page is intended as a guide to identify the various H&K manufactured MP5 variants" rather than "this is a guide to identify MP5 variants and weapons which could casually be confused for such." Weapons which aren't MP5 family (like the 5.56 MP5-alikes) would probably be better in a seperate table specifically saying they're not MP5 variants. It's a bit like if you had a table of raccoons and you included the red panda out of the need to point out it looks like a raccoon but isn't one. It would be very easy for someone to think that the HK53 is a 5.56 version of the MP5 rather than a shortened version of a full-sized rifle. Evil Tim 07:39, 4 May 2012 (CDT)
"However, I always defer to the mods". I find this to be a very good strategy. :-) --Zackmann08 13:06, 4 May 2012 (CDT)