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:I am in the process of creating a similar page for the SIG-Sauer P220 series, but with ways to identify them from each other. I like this idea and think it could be beneficial to allow users to have all the variants in one place, rather than scroll through the entire page. In some cases, the pages don't have ALL the variants, so this is a good spot to place them.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:19, 21 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Pages like these show just how supersaturated the market is for M1911-type pistols. There are already so many, and yet companies are still building MORE types, and the public just eats it up. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 09:26, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:Maybe it's just me, if you're going to do a page like this. It should be broken down more than just standard and compact. You have the GI military style (M1911, Springfield GI, RIA), Government Model (Series 70, Springfield Mil-Spec), Enhanced (Combat Elite, TRP) and Race gun (STI, Infinity). The Commander size 4" and 4.25" barrels should have their own section. Same with the Officer 3" barrel. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:22, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
::This is supposed to be an identification guide, not spec guide. I think that arranging them according to size/barrel length will be more prudent than 'style'.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:07, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:So what counts as "enhanced," then? Accessory rails and longslide variants would be obvious (since the original military variants didn't have those), but what else? And wouldn't it be better to call them "non-standard" M1911s instead of "enhanced," since an enhancement to one user of a pistol may be a detriment to another user of that same pistol, but both can agree that it is a nonstandard variant, of standard or compact barrel length?--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:28, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
::Dude ya'll can change it and call it what in the hell ever you want. All I was doing was breaking down the types to something more than standard. "enhanced definition improve or embellish." Beavertails grip safeties allow a higher hold and prevent hammer bite. Whether that's a detriment to one user is irrelevant. It's for identification purposes only, you're reading way too much into it.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:11, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:Okay, it's just that I remember how in Metal Gear Solid 3 Naked Snake gushed about how his M1911A1 with a removed grip safety and a host of other modifications made it "the finest gun he'd ever handled," so to me his speech signalled that it was possible that one of the game's firearms consultants thought that a grip safety was a liability rather than an asset. I know how long-winded debates on the merits of "bells and whistles" on firearms can be; I just thought that to avoid argument, "non-standard" would be a more neutral term than "enhanced." Look at how many people disagree with the lack of an external safety on Glocks, for instance. In any case, it helps us all on this wiki when one's definitions are sound and thorough. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:16, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Predator, I totally agree! This idea is still a work in progress and that is exactly the sort of feedback I wanted to--[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 17:58, 23 March 2012 (CDT) hear! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:40, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Any plans to do a page for AK's or AR's? --[[User:AndCA|AndCA]] 16:35, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:Yes. Good tips. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:53, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Ok lets stop hating on Predator for his hard work here... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:40, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:Just messing around. I think Para GI Expert should just be in the Government Model section. But there can be overlap--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:35, 22 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
By the way, are the double-stack magazine-fed 1911s in this wiki all in the enhanced/non-standard section of this page? I believe they should be, since the original was a single-stack magazine, and you can't change between single- and double-stack without some fairly extensive work (and it'd be much easier just getting a whole new gun of the type you want instead). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 12:57, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:No, as some of them have shorter barrel lengths.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 15:09, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
I see. Perhaps the suffix (DS) next to the names of the revelant firearms will suffice for now to denote which guns on the list are double-stack, then. Looking at 2D photos, it's difficult to tell from a side view whether a pistol is double-stack or not (it'd be much easier to tell by looking at it from different perspectives rather than just a flat-on side view). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:34, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:The point of the page is to help identify guns used in a movie or tv show. The gun being SS or DS isnt an identifying feature. | |||
==Is a dynamically-generated list possible for these gallery pages?== | |||
The gallery type of page looks to me like it could use a dynamically generated list (the kind you get when you use a search engine in a database). You could search (via checking or unchecking various checkboxes in the search form) the type of action, fire modes, barrel length (longslide, compact, or standard), the calibers you're looking for, etc., all so you could narrow your search much more easily rather than labouriously comparing what you saw to many, many pictures (kind of like if you bring a field guide book on a hiking trip, but still have to search through many pages to identify a plant or animal in question if you're not already familiar with it). I don't know whether this sort of feature is impossible with this wiki at this time, though. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:16, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:If you can figure out how to do that, they absolutely!!! Personally, I have no freaking clue how you would do that... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 01:03, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
== New Page == | |||
I just finished sorting the page further. We now have Mil-spec, Government, Enhanced/Modern, Commander, Officer's, and Sub-Compact. The page explains it better, as I am tired and will add a better explanation of each category tomorrow. This new page probably has a few errors, but I'll get to fixing them tomorrow.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:28, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
:Once again, AWESOME work! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 02:38, 23 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
What exactly is the difference between Military and Government models? I thought the original Government model and M1911A1 were the same gun just sold to different markets. If there is a difference is it big enough that you can tell whether a pistol is meant to be based on a military or government model? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:19, 28 March 2012 (CDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 12:34, 3 December 2023
Discussion
Please add your thoughts regarding this page here:
- I am in the process of creating a similar page for the SIG-Sauer P220 series, but with ways to identify them from each other. I like this idea and think it could be beneficial to allow users to have all the variants in one place, rather than scroll through the entire page. In some cases, the pages don't have ALL the variants, so this is a good spot to place them.----JazzBlackBelt-- 20:19, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
Pages like these show just how supersaturated the market is for M1911-type pistols. There are already so many, and yet companies are still building MORE types, and the public just eats it up. --Mazryonh 09:26, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- Maybe it's just me, if you're going to do a page like this. It should be broken down more than just standard and compact. You have the GI military style (M1911, Springfield GI, RIA), Government Model (Series 70, Springfield Mil-Spec), Enhanced (Combat Elite, TRP) and Race gun (STI, Infinity). The Commander size 4" and 4.25" barrels should have their own section. Same with the Officer 3" barrel. --Predator20 11:22, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- This is supposed to be an identification guide, not spec guide. I think that arranging them according to size/barrel length will be more prudent than 'style'.----JazzBlackBelt-- 20:07, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- So what counts as "enhanced," then? Accessory rails and longslide variants would be obvious (since the original military variants didn't have those), but what else? And wouldn't it be better to call them "non-standard" M1911s instead of "enhanced," since an enhancement to one user of a pistol may be a detriment to another user of that same pistol, but both can agree that it is a nonstandard variant, of standard or compact barrel length?--Mazryonh 22:28, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- Dude ya'll can change it and call it what in the hell ever you want. All I was doing was breaking down the types to something more than standard. "enhanced definition improve or embellish." Beavertails grip safeties allow a higher hold and prevent hammer bite. Whether that's a detriment to one user is irrelevant. It's for identification purposes only, you're reading way too much into it.--Predator20 23:11, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- Okay, it's just that I remember how in Metal Gear Solid 3 Naked Snake gushed about how his M1911A1 with a removed grip safety and a host of other modifications made it "the finest gun he'd ever handled," so to me his speech signalled that it was possible that one of the game's firearms consultants thought that a grip safety was a liability rather than an asset. I know how long-winded debates on the merits of "bells and whistles" on firearms can be; I just thought that to avoid argument, "non-standard" would be a more neutral term than "enhanced." Look at how many people disagree with the lack of an external safety on Glocks, for instance. In any case, it helps us all on this wiki when one's definitions are sound and thorough. --Mazryonh 00:16, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
Predator, I totally agree! This idea is still a work in progress and that is exactly the sort of feedback I wanted to--Zackmann08 17:58, 23 March 2012 (CDT) hear! --Zackmann08 11:40, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
Any plans to do a page for AK's or AR's? --AndCA 16:35, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- Yes. Good tips. :-) --Zackmann08 16:53, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
Ok lets stop hating on Predator for his hard work here... --Zackmann08 22:40, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
- Just messing around. I think Para GI Expert should just be in the Government Model section. But there can be overlap--Predator20 17:35, 22 March 2012 (CDT)
By the way, are the double-stack magazine-fed 1911s in this wiki all in the enhanced/non-standard section of this page? I believe they should be, since the original was a single-stack magazine, and you can't change between single- and double-stack without some fairly extensive work (and it'd be much easier just getting a whole new gun of the type you want instead). --Mazryonh 12:57, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
- No, as some of them have shorter barrel lengths.----JazzBlackBelt-- 15:09, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
I see. Perhaps the suffix (DS) next to the names of the revelant firearms will suffice for now to denote which guns on the list are double-stack, then. Looking at 2D photos, it's difficult to tell from a side view whether a pistol is double-stack or not (it'd be much easier to tell by looking at it from different perspectives rather than just a flat-on side view). --Mazryonh 17:34, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
- The point of the page is to help identify guns used in a movie or tv show. The gun being SS or DS isnt an identifying feature.
Is a dynamically-generated list possible for these gallery pages?
The gallery type of page looks to me like it could use a dynamically generated list (the kind you get when you use a search engine in a database). You could search (via checking or unchecking various checkboxes in the search form) the type of action, fire modes, barrel length (longslide, compact, or standard), the calibers you're looking for, etc., all so you could narrow your search much more easily rather than labouriously comparing what you saw to many, many pictures (kind of like if you bring a field guide book on a hiking trip, but still have to search through many pages to identify a plant or animal in question if you're not already familiar with it). I don't know whether this sort of feature is impossible with this wiki at this time, though. --Mazryonh 00:16, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
- If you can figure out how to do that, they absolutely!!! Personally, I have no freaking clue how you would do that... --Zackmann08 01:03, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
New Page
I just finished sorting the page further. We now have Mil-spec, Government, Enhanced/Modern, Commander, Officer's, and Sub-Compact. The page explains it better, as I am tired and will add a better explanation of each category tomorrow. This new page probably has a few errors, but I'll get to fixing them tomorrow.----JazzBlackBelt-- 02:28, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
- Once again, AWESOME work! --Zackmann08 02:38, 23 March 2012 (CDT)
What exactly is the difference between Military and Government models? I thought the original Government model and M1911A1 were the same gun just sold to different markets. If there is a difference is it big enough that you can tell whether a pistol is meant to be based on a military or government model? --commando552 17:19, 28 March 2012 (CDT)