Talk:G.I. Joe: Retaliation: Difference between revisions
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I think Adrianne's is a SCAR-H, judging by the mag. The one used by Bruce looks longer and more curved so I guess it's a 5.56.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:16, 13 December 2011 (CST)
I think Adrianne's is a SCAR-H, judging by the mag. The one used by Bruce looks longer and more curved so I guess it's a 5.56.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:16, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:I guess this will be the first film to feature a SCAR-H. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:42, 14 December 2011 (CST)
:I guess this will be the first film to feature a SCAR-H. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:42, 14 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation Exclusive Premiere Trailer -HD-.mp4 000028111.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The stock of the FN SCAR carried by Lt. Flint ([[D.J. Cotrona]]) can be seen on the left.]]
[[File:GIJoeR 1000.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The FN SCAR is seen on the right.]]
== Unknown sniper rifle ==
== Unknown sniper rifle ==
This is the only shot you get of the rifle, but my guess is that it is one of those single shot (or side loading magazine) .50 BMG uppers that can be fitted to an AR-15 lower. The companies that make these also tend to make lowers that don't have magazine wells so am guessing that is what this is, but I can't find a match, does anyone recognise it? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:03, 13 December 2011 (CST)
This is the only shot you get of the rifle, but my guess is that it is one of those single shot (or side loading magazine) .50 BMG uppers that can be fitted to an AR-15 lower. The companies that make these also tend to make lowers that don't have magazine wells so am guessing that is what this is, but I can't find a match, does anyone recognise it? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:03, 13 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation 000033533.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation 000033533.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]framed
:Has anyone seen the extended version of the film yet and know if this rifle shows up, or was it purely in the trailer? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:45, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
== The Rock in training ==
== The Rock in training ==
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: It's the second. It was mentioned on the forum a while back that some other movie had a guy firing an M2 like that, but it was only available on VHS. Can't remember the name.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:19, 24 February 2012 (CST)
: It's the second. It was mentioned on the forum a while back that some other movie had a guy firing an M2 like that, but it was only available on VHS. Can't remember the name.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:19, 24 February 2012 (CST)
::OK, thanks. I know Sly was ''supposed'' to fire the M2 in Rambo (the fourth one) handheld, but obviously he didn't in the final film. Thanks for the help.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 09:33, 24 February 2012 (CST)
::OK, thanks. I know Sly was ''supposed'' to fire the M2 in Rambo (the fourth one) handheld, but obviously he didn't in the final film. Thanks for the help.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 09:33, 24 February 2012 (CST)
:::Ok, found the thread. The movie was called ''Nemesis'' http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1811 Link to the trailer on the page.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:18, 24 February 2012 (CST)
This is a homage to the comic book character that Dwayne Johnson plays in the film, as Roadblock in the comic books carried the M2 handheld as his weapon of choice. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)
This is a homage to the comic book character that Dwayne Johnson plays in the film, as Roadblock in the comic books carried the M2 handheld as his weapon of choice. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)
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The barrel diameter of Dwayne Johnson's Glock pistol looks pretty wide in this shot. This could mean it is a G21 but I can't be sure.
The barrel diameter of Dwayne Johnson's Glock pistol looks pretty wide in this shot. This could mean it is a G21 but I can't be sure.
That may indeed be a 21,but a photo can be misleading depending on lenses used,camera angles,etc. I am not sure the wholesale change of the the previously identified Glock 17s and 19s to the 21 is warranted yet(I sure can't tell for sure),however the Glocks on the table,one with a Surefire X300 sure look like 19s to me,based on the X300's length and the finger grooves(the middle one is wider on the 19).
Regards,
Tecolote
== Production images ==
Is it ok to post those images? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:24, 19 April 2012 (CDT)
== Date stuff ==
What's with all the graffiti on the page about the date?[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:43, 26 May 2012 (CDT)
== Helmet ==
The second guy to the left...
[[File:G.I. Jo Retaliation 000042500.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
...is that an Ops Core FAST helmet? The rest of the fake US Army troops' helmets look to be standard ACHs, while the side on this one specific helmet looks like it rides too high to be one. Would seem an odd choice for posing as a regular Army Soldier, and last I checked, troops weren't allowed to buy their own personal choice of helmet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:28, 12 December 2012 (EST)
:It has been so long since I took those caps or wrote the description (damn 3D conversion) that I am not 100% sure who is meant to be what, but am fairly sure that the people in that pic are Joes, so they can be wearing whatever they want. The explosion is them being attacked by US Army Apaches when the Joes are attacked and wiped out. I don't remember saying that there were any Cobra Vipers posing as US troops (I think someone else wrote that, but I can't remember), they were dressed in regular Viper gear with the Crye Airframe helmets fitted with Chops. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:46, 12 December 2012 (EST)
:New guy here. Closer inspection shows that all four helmets pictured are identical. Likely either Ops Core or Mich 2001 with ARC rails added, as if they were bought on a budget it's possible they purchased Chinese made replicas- where TC2001s with ARC rails are commonly available. Best indicated by black chinstraps, not clear or well lit enough to tell at the present. --[[User:MagicCityMan|MagicCityMan]] ([[User talk:MagicCityMan|talk]]) 01:19, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
:I've taken a second look and they're most likely OpsCore, the ARC rails for MICH/TC series extend further towards the rear. As well the actual shape of the helmet are different --[[User:MagicCityMan|MagicCityMan]] ([[User talk:MagicCityMan|talk]]) 01:26, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
== Additional Guns in the Movie ==
P90, M60E4, M240, thompson (in museum), M1 carbine (in museum), ACR, G36, LaRue OBR
:There were a large number of guns in Bruce Willis's house
:Also the Rock's fired Full Auto/Burst in one scene --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]
==Additional Screenshots==
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation 000058850.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several guards surrounding Snake Eyes can be seen with [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s fitted with Surefire forends.]]
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation 000114072.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:GIJR promo.jpg|thumb|501px|none|Roadblock brandishes his Glock in a standoff with Snake Eyes ([[Ray Park]]).]]
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation SCAR H (3).jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the center, the MASS held by Lady Jaye in the aftermath.]]
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation - TV Trailer.mp4 000005708.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flint with an SCAR-H.]]
[[File:G.I. Joe 000079579.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:G.I. Joe 000039289.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Joe walking in the background can be seen carrying a SCAR-L.]]
[[File:Hr GI Joe Retaliation 20.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Captain Duke Houser ([[Channing Tatum]]) character poster]]
[[File:GIJ2 INT Jaye 1Sht.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Lady Jaye ([[Adrianne Palicki]]) character poster]]
[[File:Hr GI Joe Retaliation 22.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Lady Jaye ([[Adrianne Palicki]]) character poster]]
[[File:Flint-joe-poster.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Flint ([[D.J. Cotrona]]) character poster]]
[[File:Hr GI Joe Retaliation 15.jpg|thumb|none|300px|General Joe Colton ([[Bruce WIllis]]) character poster]]
[[File:Hr GI Joe Retaliation 12.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Cobra Commander ([[Faran Tahir]]) character poster]]
== Side Charging handle M4? ==
Just saw the movie today not a 100% sure. And possible spoilers here but the scene when Roadblock grabs the M4 of a fallen Joe and pushes it into the ground possibly to make a grave. It looks like the M4 has a side charging handle which to me I think is the first time I've seen an AR in film with a side charging handle. I guess I'll know for sure once the movie is on home media. Did anyone else notice it or am I just going crazy? --[[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 23:56, 20 April 2013 (PST)
:I saw it today. It's possible that they used a rubber prop for that scene, rather than have to clean a real weapon after jamming it into the dirt. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 18:55, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
::It looked like it was attached to the optic rather than the rifle to me. Perhaps a quick disconnect of some sort?--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 18:00, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
:::You mean this? [[Image: GIJR_229.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 18:05, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
::::[[File:Gijoe-r-001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 23:47, 31 July 2013 (EDT)]]
::::: I was reading the Firearm Blog a week or so ago and they had an article about a drop in side charging handle conversion for AR-15s.
Fairly sure it is nothing as exciting as a side charging handle, it is just a mount for the Aimpoint that has a large thumbscrew, like [http://www.topgunsupply.com/aimpoint-mount-qrp.html this one]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:52, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
:This reminds me: do movie armories actually buy real optics for their guns? It seems like a waste to pay $600 for a real Eotech or ACOG when all they need is a shell. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:04, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
::It's really hard to tell if the optic is real or not. If the "hero" prop has one, maybe the optic is real, but I've seen a warehouse full of different types of optics [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:56, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
:::I would suspect that most of the common ones (EOTechs, AImpoints, ACOGs, stuff like that) are Airsoft or some other kind of replica. Even on a hero gun, replica sights are pretty indistinguishable from the real deal (some even have the trademarks), cost a fraction of the price, and you don't care so much if they get abused on set. In cases where you have rarer or more esoteric sights it is probably more likely to be real. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:54, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Most optics are almost certainly airsoft replicas based on cost alone (for example, a replica EOTech 552 can be had for around $75, while a real one is going to run $500 or more). That said, however, ACOGs are actually ridiculously durable and I think even an actor would have to try ''really'' hard to break one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 16:21, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
== This isn't out on DVD or Blu-Ray yet...==
But I guess it's okay when admins do it... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 15:18, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
:No, it's not okay. As far as I know, all these are shots from the various trailers out there. Remember, this film had a lot more trailers than most because it was delayed for several months. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:30, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
:: All screenshots recently replaced were from already available trailers. The film will be released on video in the US on July 30. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 03:33, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
:::I know, I souldn't have doubted you. It's just that those caps you replaced the old ones with looked pretty good. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 07:14, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
::::I think I did quite a few of the original caps that Ben replaced and originally they were only at 720P due to the fact that back then I only had a relatively crappy computer available which had trouble with playing 1080P videos and I probably also used VLC to save them directly as JPGs with no post-processing. Relative to an image that was properly captured from the 1080P source and then sharpened and auto contrasted or whatever, these original ones look kind of crappy. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:31, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
== The Rock's Glock ==
In the film, during the attack on the Pakistani Nuke site, The Rock's Glock fires in a burst mode. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]
== Bruce Willis's 1911 ==
Bruce Willis's 1911 can't be a 1911A1. There are no finger clearance cuts by the trigger and the slide appears to read "Model of 1911 US Army". They changed the designation from Model of 1911 to M1911 around the time the A1 version was adopted. It is probably supposed to be a 1911 that Patton carried in WWI that some jerk who got their hands on it later butchered with tacticool parts.
[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Original Colt M1911, Note the lack of finger clearance cuts]]
[[File:GIJR 424.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The custom M1911. This one doesn't have them either. It also has the obsolete "Model Of 1911 US Army" marking on the slide.]]
[[Image:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol, Notice how this one has grooves cut right behind the trigger.]]
== Additional 1911s ==
It seems that Bruce Willis' character carries an another one(or two) 1911s during the White House mission.
[[File:GIJR 132.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Sorry for pic size. I'm a noob who can't figure out resizing. Another pistol is in his shoulder holster.
I think Adrianne's is a SCAR-H, judging by the mag. The one used by Bruce looks longer and more curved so I guess it's a 5.56.--Predator20 08:16, 13 December 2011 (CST)
I guess this will be the first film to feature a SCAR-H. - bozitojugg3rn4ut 05:42, 14 December 2011 (CST)
This is the only shot you get of the rifle, but my guess is that it is one of those single shot (or side loading magazine) .50 BMG uppers that can be fitted to an AR-15 lower. The companies that make these also tend to make lowers that don't have magazine wells so am guessing that is what this is, but I can't find a match, does anyone recognise it? --commando552 11:03, 13 December 2011 (CST)
Has anyone seen the extended version of the film yet and know if this rifle shows up, or was it purely in the trailer? --commando552 (talk) 08:45, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
The Rock in training
These are from The Rock's twitter page showing him training on various weapons for G.I. Joe Retaliation. --commando552 10:05, 15 December 2011 (CST)
A woman in the trailer (not a G.I.) uses a Glock. I think it is a 3rd generation Glock 17, but I am not 100 % positive.--Coltmth 12:48, 29 January 2012 (CST)
SAW in the film - Is is a Daewoo?
Though the Rock is seen training with an M249, is that a Daewoo standing in for a real 249 in the screencaps? MoviePropMaster2008 23:23, 11 February 2012 (CST)
I think it is an M249, definitely has the M249 front sight. I'm fairly sure that they are the same weapon in the film and in the training, they both appear to be the current M249 as advertised by FN USA with the new style gas block (below). --commando552 03:39, 12 February 2012 (CST)
The Daewoo K3s are only used as M249 stand-ins by the armorers in British Columbia, and this movie was filmed mostly in Louisiana. Also, that gun seems to have a Minimi/M249-style gas tube and front sight, rather than K3 style. -MT2008 09:12, 12 February 2012 (CST)
Handheld .50 cal
I'm no expert, so I'm wondering if someone could tell me - is this the first film where someone has fired a Browning M2 handheld?--Leigh Burne 08:25, 24 February 2012 (CST)
It's the second. It was mentioned on the forum a while back that some other movie had a guy firing an M2 like that, but it was only available on VHS. Can't remember the name.--Mandolin 09:19, 24 February 2012 (CST)
OK, thanks. I know Sly was supposed to fire the M2 in Rambo (the fourth one) handheld, but obviously he didn't in the final film. Thanks for the help.--Leigh Burne 09:33, 24 February 2012 (CST)
This is a homage to the comic book character that Dwayne Johnson plays in the film, as Roadblock in the comic books carried the M2 handheld as his weapon of choice. --Ben41 15:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)
The barrel diameter of Dwayne Johnson's Glock pistol looks pretty wide in this shot. This could mean it is a G21 but I can't be sure.
That may indeed be a 21,but a photo can be misleading depending on lenses used,camera angles,etc. I am not sure the wholesale change of the the previously identified Glock 17s and 19s to the 21 is warranted yet(I sure can't tell for sure),however the Glocks on the table,one with a Surefire X300 sure look like 19s to me,based on the X300's length and the finger grooves(the middle one is wider on the 19).
Regards,
Tecolote
Production images
Is it ok to post those images? Excalibur01 22:24, 19 April 2012 (CDT)
Date stuff
What's with all the graffiti on the page about the date?Temp89 11:43, 26 May 2012 (CDT)
...is that an Ops Core FAST helmet? The rest of the fake US Army troops' helmets look to be standard ACHs, while the side on this one specific helmet looks like it rides too high to be one. Would seem an odd choice for posing as a regular Army Soldier, and last I checked, troops weren't allowed to buy their own personal choice of helmet. Spartan198 (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2012 (EST)
It has been so long since I took those caps or wrote the description (damn 3D conversion) that I am not 100% sure who is meant to be what, but am fairly sure that the people in that pic are Joes, so they can be wearing whatever they want. The explosion is them being attacked by US Army Apaches when the Joes are attacked and wiped out. I don't remember saying that there were any Cobra Vipers posing as US troops (I think someone else wrote that, but I can't remember), they were dressed in regular Viper gear with the Crye Airframe helmets fitted with Chops. --commando552 (talk) 19:46, 12 December 2012 (EST)
New guy here. Closer inspection shows that all four helmets pictured are identical. Likely either Ops Core or Mich 2001 with ARC rails added, as if they were bought on a budget it's possible they purchased Chinese made replicas- where TC2001s with ARC rails are commonly available. Best indicated by black chinstraps, not clear or well lit enough to tell at the present. --MagicCityMan (talk) 01:19, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
I've taken a second look and they're most likely OpsCore, the ARC rails for MICH/TC series extend further towards the rear. As well the actual shape of the helmet are different --MagicCityMan (talk) 01:26, 28 March 2013 (EDT)
Additional Guns in the Movie
P90, M60E4, M240, thompson (in museum), M1 carbine (in museum), ACR, G36, LaRue OBR
There were a large number of guns in Bruce Willis's house
Also the Rock's fired Full Auto/Burst in one scene --Insertjjs
Just saw the movie today not a 100% sure. And possible spoilers here but the scene when Roadblock grabs the M4 of a fallen Joe and pushes it into the ground possibly to make a grave. It looks like the M4 has a side charging handle which to me I think is the first time I've seen an AR in film with a side charging handle. I guess I'll know for sure once the movie is on home media. Did anyone else notice it or am I just going crazy? --DarkSamuraiX1999 23:56, 20 April 2013 (PST)
I saw it today. It's possible that they used a rubber prop for that scene, rather than have to clean a real weapon after jamming it into the dirt. --MrMiracle (talk) 18:55, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
It looked like it was attached to the optic rather than the rifle to me. Perhaps a quick disconnect of some sort?--Crazycrankle (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2013 (EDT)
Fairly sure it is nothing as exciting as a side charging handle, it is just a mount for the Aimpoint that has a large thumbscrew, like this one. --commando552 (talk) 16:52, 1 August 2013 (EDT)
This reminds me: do movie armories actually buy real optics for their guns? It seems like a waste to pay $600 for a real Eotech or ACOG when all they need is a shell. --Funkychinaman (talk) 00:04, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
It's really hard to tell if the optic is real or not. If the "hero" prop has one, maybe the optic is real, but I've seen a warehouse full of different types of optics Excalibur01 (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
I would suspect that most of the common ones (EOTechs, AImpoints, ACOGs, stuff like that) are Airsoft or some other kind of replica. Even on a hero gun, replica sights are pretty indistinguishable from the real deal (some even have the trademarks), cost a fraction of the price, and you don't care so much if they get abused on set. In cases where you have rarer or more esoteric sights it is probably more likely to be real. --commando552 (talk) 12:54, 2 August 2013 (EDT)
Most optics are almost certainly airsoft replicas based on cost alone (for example, a replica EOTech 552 can be had for around $75, while a real one is going to run $500 or more). That said, however, ACOGs are actually ridiculously durable and I think even an actor would have to try really hard to break one. Spartan198 (talk) 16:21, 14 May 2015 (EDT)
This isn't out on DVD or Blu-Ray yet...
But I guess it's okay when admins do it... --Warejaws (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
No, it's not okay. As far as I know, all these are shots from the various trailers out there. Remember, this film had a lot more trailers than most because it was delayed for several months. --Funkychinaman (talk) 15:30, 9 July 2013 (EDT)
All screenshots recently replaced were from already available trailers. The film will be released on video in the US on July 30. --Ben41 (talk) 03:33, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
I know, I souldn't have doubted you. It's just that those caps you replaced the old ones with looked pretty good. --Warejaws (talk) 07:14, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
I think I did quite a few of the original caps that Ben replaced and originally they were only at 720P due to the fact that back then I only had a relatively crappy computer available which had trouble with playing 1080P videos and I probably also used VLC to save them directly as JPGs with no post-processing. Relative to an image that was properly captured from the 1080P source and then sharpened and auto contrasted or whatever, these original ones look kind of crappy. --commando552 (talk) 08:31, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
The Rock's Glock
In the film, during the attack on the Pakistani Nuke site, The Rock's Glock fires in a burst mode. --Insertjjs
Bruce Willis's 1911
Bruce Willis's 1911 can't be a 1911A1. There are no finger clearance cuts by the trigger and the slide appears to read "Model of 1911 US Army". They changed the designation from Model of 1911 to M1911 around the time the A1 version was adopted. It is probably supposed to be a 1911 that Patton carried in WWI that some jerk who got their hands on it later butchered with tacticool parts.
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