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=Additional Variants= | |||
[[File:KragM1894scope.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Scoped Norwegian Krag Model 1894 at the Forsvarsmuseet - 6.5x55mm SE]] | |||
=Discussion= | |||
I love these guns. They could have been great but they just came out in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are accurate, smooth, and very pleasant (recoil wise). All the ones I own are sporterized (who ever decided to chop off half the wood on classic military arms to make them useful for sports should be shot.) The value is taken down FAR more when people do this. I have a '92 and a 98'. -GM | I love these guns. They could have been great but they just came out in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are accurate, smooth, and very pleasant (recoil wise). All the ones I own are sporterized (who ever decided to chop off half the wood on classic military arms to make them useful for sports should be shot.) The value is taken down FAR more when people do this. I have a '92 and a 98'. -GM | ||
The Krag you posted as a Danish Krag is a US Model, the Danish 1889 looks VERY different - it has a steel tube around the barrel, no handguard, and the loading gate pivots to the front instead of the side. Looks like thats a Model 1898 with the 1901-type sight. - Nyles | |||
::Help me out here and post a picture of a real Danish Krag. I photographed THAT gun from a rack of Krags and that was on the tag, so it may have been misidentified. It was chambered in the original Danish Caliber, so what do you think it is? Thanks for your expertise in this matter. I am no expert on Krags so I just write what is on the paperwork (but I admit that some of these 'collections' have their guns misidentified. Thanks again. ) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
::BTW I changed the description back to what was on the gun's TAG until verified. But I welcome corrections with backup to all pages on the site :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::There you go, Danish Krag. If you really doubted me, seriously, 2 minutes on google. - Nyles | |||
::::Yes, you google king. But that gun was a Danish Krag. I inspected it and it was chambered in the NON original caliber. So your change is still wrong. Answer that. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::It can't possibly be a Danish Krag. It might be a rechambered US Krag (though why someone would do this is beyond me), but a Dane has a forward hinged loading gate, a barrel shroud, a different bolt and completely different furniture. The rifle has the US / Norwegian action, not Danish, and all teh fittings are distincly American. Read any book dealing with military rifles (or better yet, one about Krags), and you'll see that there is no way in hell it's a Dane. I suggest Collecting Classic Military Bolt-Action Rifles by Paul Scarlata, the man knows his Krags. Or better yet, just look at the left receiver wall. I'm willing to bet my combat pay that it'll say US Model 1898 Springfield Armory. If the tag says its a Dane, that tag is wrong. | |||
::::::Nope the gun has only DANISH markings on it and it is chambered in 8x58R. I'm not a Krag expert, but I know what I'm looking at. Don't know why it has the American look, but it has NO US markings. It could be some weird one off, but I've run into these mystery guns before. I just know what I have in front of me. And I'm not an idiot. I confirmed that the gun only had Dane marks and was in the original caliber. I checked and double checked again today. (I chambered a LIVE 8x58R cartridge and it chambered fine) If it's not a recognized variant, I have no idea what it is, but as per the markings, I'll take your combat pay, thank you, but I know I can never collect it ;) MPM2008 (for the record, these weird guns that defy classification bug the crap out of me). I have a Garand chambered in 7.7 Japanese, why they would do that is beyond me..... [[Edit]] I'll remove the pic if it is not a good portrayal of the archetype. | |||
==WWI== | |||
Were any of these rifles still in use by World War I, whether as combat rifles, training guns, or to arm home gaurd troops? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | |||
:- I very much doubt so. Some might have been in inventory, but I believe, at least in the case of the U.S., by WWI we had already well-transitioned to the 1903 Springfield, the Krag's replacement, as well as the 1917 'U.S.' Enfield to supplement the Spraingfields for the war. Norway, the rifle's country of origin, did continue making/using them 'til about the 20s/30s though, from what I've read. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
===Krag rifles and service with U.S. forces in World War One=== | |||
'''The following is from ''American Rifleman'', October 2010. There is an article titled ''The "Foreign" Rifle: U.S. Krag-Jorgenson'' by Bruce N. Canfield.''' | |||
''When the United States entered World War 1 in 1917, approximately 160,000 Krag rifles were still in storage, and significant numbers (mainly 1898 rifles)were withdrawn and used by the U.S. military during the war. The vast majority reamined stateside for training purposes, although some 2,000 Model 1898 Krag rifles were taken to France during the war by the 10th-19th Engineers (Railway). There is no evidence that any were used by front-line combat units.''--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:- From the newest ''American Rifleman''? Bah, wish I still had a subscription. Ah, well, there ya go - Some were used. Neat info, thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
Thanks for the information. The 1917 Enfield page mentioned that at the outbreak of WWI there was a massive 1903 Springfield shortage so I figured for things like training a Krag would be sufficient. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] | |||
Yeah talk about timing. I couldn't believe it when I came across you two speculating about the use of the Krag by U.S. forces in WW1 and the fact that in this month's issue of ''American Rifleman'' there was an article about the Krag that had information on that very subject. Amazing. Glad it was helpful.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Barrel Lenght? == | |||
I have read some Danish M1889/10 has barrels up to 39 Inches, is this correct? Can any such models be verified?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 09:50, 12 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
== .30-40 Krag == | |||
Is this cartridge still be manufactured by anyone? - [[User: 2wingo]] | |||
:[http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-7501 Yes] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 17:45, 16 January 2013 (EST) | |||
Latest revision as of 13:09, 28 September 2022
Additional Variants
Discussion
I love these guns. They could have been great but they just came out in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are accurate, smooth, and very pleasant (recoil wise). All the ones I own are sporterized (who ever decided to chop off half the wood on classic military arms to make them useful for sports should be shot.) The value is taken down FAR more when people do this. I have a '92 and a 98'. -GM
The Krag you posted as a Danish Krag is a US Model, the Danish 1889 looks VERY different - it has a steel tube around the barrel, no handguard, and the loading gate pivots to the front instead of the side. Looks like thats a Model 1898 with the 1901-type sight. - Nyles
- Help me out here and post a picture of a real Danish Krag. I photographed THAT gun from a rack of Krags and that was on the tag, so it may have been misidentified. It was chambered in the original Danish Caliber, so what do you think it is? Thanks for your expertise in this matter. I am no expert on Krags so I just write what is on the paperwork (but I admit that some of these 'collections' have their guns misidentified. Thanks again. ) MoviePropMaster2008 00:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- BTW I changed the description back to what was on the gun's TAG until verified. But I welcome corrections with backup to all pages on the site :) MoviePropMaster2008 00:06, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- There you go, Danish Krag. If you really doubted me, seriously, 2 minutes on google. - Nyles
- Yes, you google king. But that gun was a Danish Krag. I inspected it and it was chambered in the NON original caliber. So your change is still wrong. Answer that. MoviePropMaster2008 19:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- It can't possibly be a Danish Krag. It might be a rechambered US Krag (though why someone would do this is beyond me), but a Dane has a forward hinged loading gate, a barrel shroud, a different bolt and completely different furniture. The rifle has the US / Norwegian action, not Danish, and all teh fittings are distincly American. Read any book dealing with military rifles (or better yet, one about Krags), and you'll see that there is no way in hell it's a Dane. I suggest Collecting Classic Military Bolt-Action Rifles by Paul Scarlata, the man knows his Krags. Or better yet, just look at the left receiver wall. I'm willing to bet my combat pay that it'll say US Model 1898 Springfield Armory. If the tag says its a Dane, that tag is wrong.
- Nope the gun has only DANISH markings on it and it is chambered in 8x58R. I'm not a Krag expert, but I know what I'm looking at. Don't know why it has the American look, but it has NO US markings. It could be some weird one off, but I've run into these mystery guns before. I just know what I have in front of me. And I'm not an idiot. I confirmed that the gun only had Dane marks and was in the original caliber. I checked and double checked again today. (I chambered a LIVE 8x58R cartridge and it chambered fine) If it's not a recognized variant, I have no idea what it is, but as per the markings, I'll take your combat pay, thank you, but I know I can never collect it ;) MPM2008 (for the record, these weird guns that defy classification bug the crap out of me). I have a Garand chambered in 7.7 Japanese, why they would do that is beyond me..... Edit I'll remove the pic if it is not a good portrayal of the archetype.
- It can't possibly be a Danish Krag. It might be a rechambered US Krag (though why someone would do this is beyond me), but a Dane has a forward hinged loading gate, a barrel shroud, a different bolt and completely different furniture. The rifle has the US / Norwegian action, not Danish, and all teh fittings are distincly American. Read any book dealing with military rifles (or better yet, one about Krags), and you'll see that there is no way in hell it's a Dane. I suggest Collecting Classic Military Bolt-Action Rifles by Paul Scarlata, the man knows his Krags. Or better yet, just look at the left receiver wall. I'm willing to bet my combat pay that it'll say US Model 1898 Springfield Armory. If the tag says its a Dane, that tag is wrong.
- Yes, you google king. But that gun was a Danish Krag. I inspected it and it was chambered in the NON original caliber. So your change is still wrong. Answer that. MoviePropMaster2008 19:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- There you go, Danish Krag. If you really doubted me, seriously, 2 minutes on google. - Nyles
WWI
Were any of these rifles still in use by World War I, whether as combat rifles, training guns, or to arm home gaurd troops? -Anonymous
- - I very much doubt so. Some might have been in inventory, but I believe, at least in the case of the U.S., by WWI we had already well-transitioned to the 1903 Springfield, the Krag's replacement, as well as the 1917 'U.S.' Enfield to supplement the Spraingfields for the war. Norway, the rifle's country of origin, did continue making/using them 'til about the 20s/30s though, from what I've read. StanTheMan 17:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Krag rifles and service with U.S. forces in World War One
The following is from American Rifleman, October 2010. There is an article titled The "Foreign" Rifle: U.S. Krag-Jorgenson by Bruce N. Canfield.
When the United States entered World War 1 in 1917, approximately 160,000 Krag rifles were still in storage, and significant numbers (mainly 1898 rifles)were withdrawn and used by the U.S. military during the war. The vast majority reamined stateside for training purposes, although some 2,000 Model 1898 Krag rifles were taken to France during the war by the 10th-19th Engineers (Railway). There is no evidence that any were used by front-line combat units.--Jcordell 23:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- - From the newest American Rifleman? Bah, wish I still had a subscription. Ah, well, there ya go - Some were used. Neat info, thanks. StanTheMan 00:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. The 1917 Enfield page mentioned that at the outbreak of WWI there was a massive 1903 Springfield shortage so I figured for things like training a Krag would be sufficient. -Anonymous
Yeah talk about timing. I couldn't believe it when I came across you two speculating about the use of the Krag by U.S. forces in WW1 and the fact that in this month's issue of American Rifleman there was an article about the Krag that had information on that very subject. Amazing. Glad it was helpful.--Jcordell 16:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Barrel Lenght?
I have read some Danish M1889/10 has barrels up to 39 Inches, is this correct? Can any such models be verified?--Z008MJ (talk) 09:50, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
.30-40 Krag
Is this cartridge still be manufactured by anyone? - User: 2wingo
- Yes --Funkychinaman (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2013 (EST)