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[[Image: | [[Image:MCM wood.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|MCM with wooden grips - .22 LR]] | ||
[[Image: | [[Image:IZh-77.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IZh-77-8 - 8mm blank]] | ||
- [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] | [[Image:SWVM22a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Margolin Vostok in configuration used in ''[[Star Wars (1977)|Star Wars]]'']] | ||
== Renaming == | |||
I suggest to rename this page: '''Margolin MCM''' would be more correct. "Baikal" is only a trademark of Izhmekh (and "Vostok" was a previous trademark), while Margolin was the designer of this pistol. We have pages "Tokarev TT-33" or "Makarov PM", not "TOZ TT-33" or "Izhmekh PM", so I think that this page would be better named the same style. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 12:39, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I was wondering about that. Is Baikal just the post-1991 name? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:48, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
::In 1960s-1980s this pistol was exported from USSR under the trademark "Vostok" (East). For example, [http://www.cornellpubs.com/Images4/vostok-mu.jpg here] is a cover from the manual. The trademark "Baikal" appeared only in mid-1990s (1994 or 1996 according to various sources). And in USSR/Russia this pistol is known simply as "Margolin pistol". [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:04, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::For the record, Wikipedia just calls is "MCM pistol." --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:28, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::It is called very different in Wikipedia on different languages: "Pistolet Margolina MTs" in Russian Wiki, "Margolin MCM" in Czech, "Baikal MCM" in Italian, "Pistolet MCM Margolin" in Polish and so on. BTW, MCM is a modernised version of original MC 1 (or MTs - the spelling is another question), but MCM was the most known model of all Margolin pistols, so I think that MCM fits good for the title of the page. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:43, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::::So, what will be the verdict? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 13:45, 2 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::::Since you've done the research, I'll defer to you on this one. I think if someone was going to object, he would've done so already. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:57, 2 October 2013 (EDT) | |||
Latest revision as of 20:28, 16 August 2022
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Renaming
I suggest to rename this page: Margolin MCM would be more correct. "Baikal" is only a trademark of Izhmekh (and "Vostok" was a previous trademark), while Margolin was the designer of this pistol. We have pages "Tokarev TT-33" or "Makarov PM", not "TOZ TT-33" or "Izhmekh PM", so I think that this page would be better named the same style. Greg-Z (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- I was wondering about that. Is Baikal just the post-1991 name? --Funkychinaman (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- In 1960s-1980s this pistol was exported from USSR under the trademark "Vostok" (East). For example, here is a cover from the manual. The trademark "Baikal" appeared only in mid-1990s (1994 or 1996 according to various sources). And in USSR/Russia this pistol is known simply as "Margolin pistol". Greg-Z (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- For the record, Wikipedia just calls is "MCM pistol." --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- It is called very different in Wikipedia on different languages: "Pistolet Margolina MTs" in Russian Wiki, "Margolin MCM" in Czech, "Baikal MCM" in Italian, "Pistolet MCM Margolin" in Polish and so on. BTW, MCM is a modernised version of original MC 1 (or MTs - the spelling is another question), but MCM was the most known model of all Margolin pistols, so I think that MCM fits good for the title of the page. Greg-Z (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- So, what will be the verdict? Greg-Z (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
- Since you've done the research, I'll defer to you on this one. I think if someone was going to object, he would've done so already. --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
- So, what will be the verdict? Greg-Z (talk) 13:45, 2 October 2013 (EDT)
- It is called very different in Wikipedia on different languages: "Pistolet Margolina MTs" in Russian Wiki, "Margolin MCM" in Czech, "Baikal MCM" in Italian, "Pistolet MCM Margolin" in Polish and so on. BTW, MCM is a modernised version of original MC 1 (or MTs - the spelling is another question), but MCM was the most known model of all Margolin pistols, so I think that MCM fits good for the title of the page. Greg-Z (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- For the record, Wikipedia just calls is "MCM pistol." --Funkychinaman (talk) 13:28, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
- In 1960s-1980s this pistol was exported from USSR under the trademark "Vostok" (East). For example, here is a cover from the manual. The trademark "Baikal" appeared only in mid-1990s (1994 or 1996 according to various sources). And in USSR/Russia this pistol is known simply as "Margolin pistol". Greg-Z (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2013 (EDT)
