Talk:Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol: Difference between revisions
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Talk:Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol: Difference between revisions
I don't know why, but the gun is looking real CGI-ish to me. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:11, 22 December 2011 (CST)
I don't know why, but the gun is looking real CGI-ish to me. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:11, 22 December 2011 (CST)
: I saw this exact shot in an Empire magazine article and although it was only a tiny picture, it looked a lot like a SIG P226. However, this one doesn't so suspect it could have been messed around with. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a P226R in the film, that's why this Glock looks odd, it's been edited in. Why? I have no idea. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)
::You can almost see where the Glock has been grafted onto the SIG --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 16:22, 28 January 2012 (CST)
== Some more screenshots ==
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Makarov PM. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)
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::The second one is propably a 1911 variant --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:34, 9 September 2011 (CDT)
::The second one is propably a 1911 variant --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:34, 9 September 2011 (CDT)
i saw it, the top one is indeed a usp compact, the middle is a makarov pm, and the bottom is an hk p7m13
Same as anon above, USP Compact, Makarov PM, P7. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)
::--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:50, 2 December 2011 (CST)
::--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:50, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:::Finally saw the movie on IMAX, and I now agree that Carter's SIG is indeed a P226 SCT (I was able to see the extended magwell and the forward cocking serrations on the slide). The rest of the SIGs in the movie are P226 E2s and I believe there was at least one P229R. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:20, 30 December 2011 (CST)
==Kremlin==
==Kremlin==
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What's embarassing? They are ceremonial guards much like the 3rd Infantry Regiment here in the U.S. at Arlington. The ones that the public sees are there for a specific purpose but the remainder of the unit is at the ready in case of an incident. Are you going to tell the guards at Arlington that you're embarrassed because they carry M1 Garands when on duty? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:25, 19 December 2011 (CST)
What's embarassing? They are ceremonial guards much like the 3rd Infantry Regiment here in the U.S. at Arlington. The ones that the public sees are there for a specific purpose but the remainder of the unit is at the ready in case of an incident. Are you going to tell the guards at Arlington that you're embarrassed because they carry M1 Garands when on duty? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:25, 19 December 2011 (CST)
Are you seriously comparing a M1 to a SKS?! Its embarrassing because its a SKS...SKSs suck, M1 garands are awesome. Sucky guns=embarrassing...Awesome guns=not embarrassing.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:49, 22 December 2011 (CST)
@spades of columbia: Only sad thing about this is your way of thinking. You're disgrace of your country... Because you're the embarassing one. --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 10:42, 23 December 2011 (CST)
Nitpick: The Arlington guards carry M14s, not M1s. The USMC drill team uses M1s.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:47, 22 December 2011 (CST)
Sad dude!...im a disgrace to my country because i think the SKS is the worst military weapon of all time?...what does my country even have to do with this? I am a Montana man myself and America never adopted the SKS, we only imported them and that was because they were sooooo cheap that even the poorest american could buy a gun...i mean come on the Hi point is more reliable and more accurate and even cost more then the sks...If i was a military guy myself i would carry a The Springfield Model 1892-99 or a Mosin before i would grab a SKS. Yes i am a little bit of a gun snob but a disgrace?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 12:49, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:I don't know why you're pissing on the SKS. The gun itself is cheap, the ammo is cheap, it's simple to use, and it lacks a lot of features that might restrict its sale in some places, like a pistol grip or detachable mags. I have both a Hi-point carbine and an SKS, and I like my SKS better. It may not be as accurate, but it's more reliable and the ammo might actually be cheaper. (And Russians using Russian guns. What's the world coming to?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)
Cool story bro! :D Your statements reeks of "american made weapons are better than those made in east" -propaganda. Cold war ended already, you know? --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 13:23, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:By the way, SKS has been created in 1945 and it seems to me that in 1945 it looked not worse than M1 Garand. SKS has the same reliability, as well as АК-47. But it allows to do much more accurate shooting than AK. It seems АК-47 isn't a sucks? But why SKS a sucks?
:P.S. Guards at the Kremlin has many weapon. From Glocks to AWSMs. But use SKS as the ceremonial weapon of the Kremlin guards is a tradition since 1950th years. Earlier they used SVT-40. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 14:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)
@Flexo: From my experience I've learned that american has strict hate against non-american weapons. SKS doesn't suck, it just "american sucks". No offence against american people, but that's the mainstream truth. --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 22:41, 29 December 2011 (CST)
:And how is that not supposed to be taken as offensive? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
==Random thoughts from seeing the movie in IMAX==
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I definitely saw a Tokarev (or a copy) in the hands of one of the assassins in the river scene, the guy on the end. Also, Agent Carter was holding a Sig 552 when they enter the train. In the train armory, I saw some kind of Semi-Auto sniper rifle, possibly a Remington RSASS. It was too slim to be a Barrett. That gun that Dunn in holding in the above screenshot is definitely a Glock, for sure. The silenced pistol from the server room scene (and several scenes before that) looks like a .22, maybe a Browning Buckmark. Its trigger guard was angular, so that rules out a Ruger Mark III, and the slide was chrome. In the river scene I also saw an assassin with a modernized RPK with an under-folding bipod. -Cutter9792. 12/22/2011 17:54, two hours after seeing the movie.
I definitely saw a Tokarev (or a copy) in the hands of one of the assassins in the river scene, the guy on the end. Also, Agent Carter was holding a Sig 552 when they enter the train. In the train armory, I saw some kind of Semi-Auto sniper rifle, possibly a Remington RSASS. It was too slim to be a Barrett. That gun that Dunn in holding in the above screenshot is definitely a Glock, for sure. The silenced pistol from the server room scene (and several scenes before that) looks like a .22, maybe a Browning Buckmark. Its trigger guard was angular, so that rules out a Ruger Mark III, and the slide was chrome. In the river scene I also saw an assassin with a modernized RPK with an under-folding bipod. -Cutter9792. 12/22/2011 17:54, two hours after seeing the movie.
Ok, the supressed pistol in the end scene is a HKP7 (couldnt tell if it had double stack mags (m13) or not tho). Also the last 226 photo is misidentified as ethans SIG its actually belongs to Brandt. Ethan pulls a glock which brant takes off him, so ethan pulls brants SIG only to be disarmed yet again by Brandt --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 10:55, 30 December 2011 (CST)
== Completing the page ==
I was planning on getting the Blu-ray and completing the page unless someone else was already going to do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 16:31, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:I was planning on doing the page, but there's nothing wrong with a few people working together. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 21:16, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
So just so there is no confusion. Who is doing this? So we don't step on each other's toes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:09, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
:If we can get Blu Ray caps, why not? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 00:31, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
== Czech produced ==
Stillking Films is production company! - [[http://www.imdb.com/company/co0017390/?ref_=ttco_co_5]]
Latest revision as of 07:14, 29 May 2013
What is the pistol used by Simon Pegg in the 3rd SIG screenshot? Am fairly sure it isn't a P226 as stated. Might be a Glock 17, but the front profile looks too tall/narrow. --commando552 16:37, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
Has now been changed to say it is a Glock 17, which I admit is closer, but compare the pic of Renner with the Glock 17 to Pegg. They are both held at a similar angle, yet the front view of the guns looks drastically different, with Pegg's lookng much taller/thinner. Maybe it is just lighting though. --commando552 16:33, 1 July 2011 (CDT)
Not a Glock - that's for sure. Though that front sight looks Glock, the bore-axis is all wrong. If I look quickly, I think P250, but then I waiver. Definitely Sig though.
--Gwhysow 17:47, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
I don't know, if you look closely on the slide, it looks like it has Glock type markings.Plus the slide release appears to be the same as other Glocks. Possible Non Gun? Bristow8411 17:20, 19 December 2011 (CST)
I don't know why, but the gun is looking real CGI-ish to me. BeardedHoplite 17:11, 22 December 2011 (CST)
I saw this exact shot in an Empire magazine article and although it was only a tiny picture, it looked a lot like a SIG P226. However, this one doesn't so suspect it could have been messed around with. --commando552 10:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)
It's a P226R in the film, that's why this Glock looks odd, it's been edited in. Why? I have no idea. Alex T Snow 23:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)
You can almost see where the Glock has been grafted onto the SIG --Taurus96 16:22, 28 January 2012 (CST)
USP Compact, Five-seven?, ???----JazzBlackBelt-- 21:33, 14 August 2011 (CDT)
The bottom one looks like a H&K P7 with a suppressor and the slide locked back. Yay, unrealistic sparking bullets! :D - Mr. Wolf 17:28, 15 August 2011 (CDT)
The second one is propably a 1911 variant --Warejaws 19:34, 9 September 2011 (CDT)
i saw it, the top one is indeed a usp compact, the middle is a makarov pm, and the bottom is an hk p7m13
Same as anon above, USP Compact, Makarov PM, P7. Alex T Snow 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)
The bottom picture on the Sig p226r section is the P226 TACOPS. You can tell my the extended grip well.--Spades of Columbia 20:47, 10 September 2011 (CDT)
I don't think this pistol is a TACOPS as it lacks the beavertail. Closest thing I can come up with is that it is a P226 Super Capacity Tactical fitted with the "Magwell" grips the TACOPS has. Proof will really be in the trigger, as the SCT is an older model and has the traditional trigger, as opposed to the TACOPS (which seems to have replaced it in the current SIG line-up) which has the new short reset trigger. Trigger is not visible in the trailer though, so will have to wait for the movie to come out to be sure. --commando552 18:04, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
If we're not sure that it's a P226 TACOPS, who the hell changed it? Personally, I don't think it is one...the screencap is too blurry to tell if the grip is extended, and Paula Patton might just not have very big hands (which most women don't). Until the movie comes out and we can confirm the identity of the pistol, let's just call it a P226R for now. -MT2008 11:04, 1 December 2011 (CST)
The picture is crappy...watch the trailer it does for sure have the extended grip and you can tell it has the tritium truglow sight on the front as well...yes it is possible someone put the extended grips onto a SCT but what would be the point of doing that? Its a Sig with all the features of the Tacops...i personally didnt change it but i think it the right gun.--Spades of Columbia 11:16, 1 December 2011 (CST)
It doesn't have all the features of a Tacops as it lacks the beavertail, meaning that it is either a P226R with the slide changed for a Tacops one and magwell grips fitted, or it is a SCT with the grips added. Or it is a variant I am not aware of. --commando552 11:46, 1 December 2011 (CST)
Did some looking around and it seems like Sig did produce SCT models with the magwell grips on them...that would explain the lack of beavertail and why it has the tritium truglo sights.--Spades of Columbia 11:49, 2 December 2011 (CST)
I'm not sure if SIG actually made SCTs with the magwell grips, but it was a common aftermarket mod as shown below:
Finally saw the movie on IMAX, and I now agree that Carter's SIG is indeed a P226 SCT (I was able to see the extended magwell and the forward cocking serrations on the slide). The rest of the SIGs in the movie are P226 E2s and I believe there was at least one P229R. -MT2008 00:20, 30 December 2011 (CST)
Kremlin
The Russian Guards at the Kremlin wouldnt use a SKS in real life would they?--Spades of Columbia 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
Ceremonial guards, which those soldiers are supposed to be, use the SKS while parading: Kremlin Guards --Markit 21:25, 30 November 2011 (CST)
Sad!...how embarrassing for them.--Spades of Columbia 09:28, 1 December 2011 (CST)
What's embarassing? They are ceremonial guards much like the 3rd Infantry Regiment here in the U.S. at Arlington. The ones that the public sees are there for a specific purpose but the remainder of the unit is at the ready in case of an incident. Are you going to tell the guards at Arlington that you're embarrassed because they carry M1 Garands when on duty? --DeltaOne 22:25, 19 December 2011 (CST)
Are you seriously comparing a M1 to a SKS?! Its embarrassing because its a SKS...SKSs suck, M1 garands are awesome. Sucky guns=embarrassing...Awesome guns=not embarrassing.--Spades of Columbia 17:49, 22 December 2011 (CST)
@spades of columbia: Only sad thing about this is your way of thinking. You're disgrace of your country... Because you're the embarassing one. --SilentwarriorX 10:42, 23 December 2011 (CST)
Nitpick: The Arlington guards carry M14s, not M1s. The USMC drill team uses M1s.--Mandolin 20:47, 22 December 2011 (CST)
Sad dude!...im a disgrace to my country because i think the SKS is the worst military weapon of all time?...what does my country even have to do with this? I am a Montana man myself and America never adopted the SKS, we only imported them and that was because they were sooooo cheap that even the poorest american could buy a gun...i mean come on the Hi point is more reliable and more accurate and even cost more then the sks...If i was a military guy myself i would carry a The Springfield Model 1892-99 or a Mosin before i would grab a SKS. Yes i am a little bit of a gun snob but a disgrace?--Spades of Columbia 12:49, 23 December 2011 (CST)
I don't know why you're pissing on the SKS. The gun itself is cheap, the ammo is cheap, it's simple to use, and it lacks a lot of features that might restrict its sale in some places, like a pistol grip or detachable mags. I have both a Hi-point carbine and an SKS, and I like my SKS better. It may not be as accurate, but it's more reliable and the ammo might actually be cheaper. (And Russians using Russian guns. What's the world coming to?) --Funkychinaman 14:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)
Cool story bro! :D Your statements reeks of "american made weapons are better than those made in east" -propaganda. Cold war ended already, you know? --SilentwarriorX 13:23, 23 December 2011 (CST)
By the way, SKS has been created in 1945 and it seems to me that in 1945 it looked not worse than M1 Garand. SKS has the same reliability, as well as АК-47. But it allows to do much more accurate shooting than AK. It seems АК-47 isn't a sucks? But why SKS a sucks?
P.S. Guards at the Kremlin has many weapon. From Glocks to AWSMs. But use SKS as the ceremonial weapon of the Kremlin guards is a tradition since 1950th years. Earlier they used SVT-40. Flexo 14:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)
@Flexo: From my experience I've learned that american has strict hate against non-american weapons. SKS doesn't suck, it just "american sucks". No offence against american people, but that's the mainstream truth. --SilentwarriorX 22:41, 29 December 2011 (CST)
And how is that not supposed to be taken as offensive? Spartan198 20:33, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
Random thoughts from seeing the movie in IMAX
Saw MI4 in IMAX this Saturday (the IMAX version was released a week early). It was an awesome visual treat, the 30 mins of IMAX footage look spectacular. The high-tech train car/safe-house that can be seen in the trailer had racks of what looked like G36Cs and and P226Rs, which have already been ID'd on the main page, and possibly the newest versions of the P229, not sure.
Question to you guys with real handgun service/repair experience, in the real world could some one reach over and remove the slide from a hand gun like Brandt does to the guard's Cougar? It seems to me that the slide should be much harder to get off, since wouldn't it fly off randomly in usage if it were as easily removed in the real world?
Also a kudos to the production team is that they seem to have gotten the actors (at least for Jeremy Renner) some decent firearms training because we see Brandt disarm Hunt of his handgun and then he releases the magazine from the gun AND releases the round in the chamber. Many actions movies seem to forget about the one already in the chamber when showing the hero removing the bullets from a handgun.
Also the fact that Jeremy Renner kept his finger off the trigger as he never intended on pulling the trigger.
I think this is relatively easy to do with a Cougar as unlike other handguns you do not need to retract the slide at all. To remove it you just hold a button on the right side of the frame, flick the locking lever down and pull the slide forward. Not sure if you can do this with a loaded magazine in place though. --commando552 17:42, 19 December 2011 (CST)
Fixed something in that third paragraph --DeltaOne 22:10, 19 December 2011 (CST)
I know that pulling forward on the slide use to allow it to be pulled off, as that was one of the reasons given for police to stick with revolvers for a long time, and was even taught somewhere as a disarmament technique (I do not remember where). I do not know if something more modern would still allow you to do this, or even if it is that easy to do (never tried it) but at least at some point in the not so distant past it was. Dover500 08:16, 20 December 2011 (CST)
When they board the traincar, one agent was holding a sig 552.--James Woods 15:43, 20 December 2011 (CST)
Guns seen in movie (in theaters)
I definitely saw a Tokarev (or a copy) in the hands of one of the assassins in the river scene, the guy on the end. Also, Agent Carter was holding a Sig 552 when they enter the train. In the train armory, I saw some kind of Semi-Auto sniper rifle, possibly a Remington RSASS. It was too slim to be a Barrett. That gun that Dunn in holding in the above screenshot is definitely a Glock, for sure. The silenced pistol from the server room scene (and several scenes before that) looks like a .22, maybe a Browning Buckmark. Its trigger guard was angular, so that rules out a Ruger Mark III, and the slide was chrome. In the river scene I also saw an assassin with a modernized RPK with an under-folding bipod. -Cutter9792. 12/22/2011 17:54, two hours after seeing the movie.
Ok, the supressed pistol in the end scene is a HKP7 (couldnt tell if it had double stack mags (m13) or not tho). Also the last 226 photo is misidentified as ethans SIG its actually belongs to Brandt. Ethan pulls a glock which brant takes off him, so ethan pulls brants SIG only to be disarmed yet again by Brandt --Captain Snikt 10:55, 30 December 2011 (CST)
Completing the page
I was planning on getting the Blu-ray and completing the page unless someone else was already going to do it. --Ben41 16:31, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
I was planning on doing the page, but there's nothing wrong with a few people working together. --Markit 21:16, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
So just so there is no confusion. Who is doing this? So we don't step on each other's toes Excalibur01 22:09, 16 April 2012 (CDT)
If we can get Blu Ray caps, why not? --Funkychinaman 00:31, 17 April 2012 (CDT)
