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Talk:Mythbusters: Difference between revisions
::That was kind of my point. That's why I want to separate them. Wanted to see what others thought. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:18, 16 December 2011 (CST)
::That was kind of my point. That's why I want to separate them. Wanted to see what others thought. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:18, 16 December 2011 (CST)
:::I agree, split it. there are a lot of handguns, and the only reason not to do it would be if there were only a couple of one type, which isn't the case here with a 10:16 revolver:pistol split. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:15, 16 December 2011 (CST)
== Overhall Complete! ==
I have officially completed the overhaul of this page! I have watched every episode that (according to Wikipedia's summaries) contained a firearm. I will of course continue to update this as new episodes air. Thanks to everyone for the help, particularly [[User:Commando552|Comando552]]. Couldn't have done half of this without you. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 23:09, 17 December 2011 (CST)
== Split up by season. ==
So I am debating whether or not to split this page up by season. On the one hand, the page is getting really full. On the other hand, it I do split it up, each season's page will be rather small. Thoughts??? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:03, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
:It's not THAT big, especially for a show that's been on for nine years. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:09, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
::Agreed. My point is more that its large enough that it takes a while to load even with a good connection. Whenever you edit the page you get that little warning: '''''Warning:''' This page is 54 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections. ''
::I do agree with you that considering it has been on for going on 10 seasons, its not that big of a page. I just think it might be worth splitting up so the page doesn't get over crowded.
As they use many of the same guns for different experiments, there would be a lot of repeats. I think it is fine the way it is.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:18, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
:The page for ''[[The Unit]]'' needs to be broken up. The sixth largest page on the site, and only four seasons. It takes a very long time to load for me. According to the list of long pages, 28 pages are over the 54 KB threshold. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:52, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
== BAR ==
I've been trying to fill in the gaps, but I just can't find the BAR as described. I flipped through the entire MacGyver episode (and I assume there's only one) but I couldn't find it. (And doesn't MacGyver have an aversion to firearms in general?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:31, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
:I believe there was more than 1 MacGyver episode. It's possible that the BAR was used by the other group to test an unrelated myth in a MacGyver episode? It's also possible that whoever added that bit about the BAR was simply mistaken. That was there before I redid the entire page. Also, thanks for filling in the gaps!!! REALLY appreciate it. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 15:04, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
== High Speed Camera ==
heres a quick video of some high speed camera moments from the newest episode i think
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/gunslingers-high-speed.htm --[[User:Sike|Sike]] 14:38, 16 June 2012 (CDT)
== Splitting up into different seasons ==
So the latest upisode (S10E12) was ALL about gun myths. I am 6 minutes into the 43 minute long episode and already they have used 8 different guns... Considering that this page is already almost double the length pages should be ''(Warning: This page is 57 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections)'', I am going to split this page up into its separate seasons. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 20:17, 21 June 2012 (CDT)
== Carlos curiosity ==
I'm just curious, did Carlos Hathcock ''actually'' shoot a Viet Cong sniper through the scope? It just seems incredibly unlikely. Is there any actual evidence of the shot, like eyewitnesses? Or the Viet Cong scope itself?
:He had a spotter, but he was killed at Khe Sahn. And please sign your posts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:52, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
::He also took the rifle as evidence, but it was stolen after being signed into the armoury. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:06, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
== Paintball pistols ==
Does anyone know the brand/model name of the Desert Eagle-styled paintball pistols that they use in a few episodes?
== Unknown .22 rifles ==
The one that Adam is firing has me stumped. It's not a Marlin 25 like suggested because you would see the bolt protruding slightly out from the back of the stock. I don't know what it is. But the one Jamie is firing appears, judging by its lack of an exposed magazine, to be a [[Marlin Model 983]], though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:10, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
Silver bullets are more effective than lead against BIG GAME because silver is much harder than lead and does not deform as much on impact. This means that the silver bullet penetrates deeper into the target, which is why BIG GAME HUNTERS use silver bullets when hunting BIG GAME (they are much more likely to kill the animal on the first shot than they are with a lead round)-S&Wshooter 19:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Cite your soucres, silver is too valuable to be used as a projectile
I've met a few big game hunters, and that's what they told me they use (they only buy small batches though)-S&Wshooter 04:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
From Wikipedia, not 100% accurate all the time, but this sounds right to me.
"Contrary to the legend that a silver bullet is vastly superior over a lead bullet, the opposite is true. Lead is a soft metal, while silver is much harder. This gives lead two critical advantages over silver. First, as the bullet travels down the barrel of a modern gun, it takes advantage of rifling, which spins the bullet in order to provide a better trajectory. A soft lead bullet will grip the rifling, allowing it to spin. A hard silver bullet won't be able to grip the rifling, and therefore spin significantly less, if it spins at all. Also, when a lead bullet enters a body, the soft lead flattens out and tears a large hole through tissue. The silver bullet, on the other hand, retains its shape as it passes through a body and makes a much smaller hole, making it less likely to cause lethal bleeding or to strike a vital organ."
I know of Ballistic Silvertip bullets, which are apparently very effective. Though I do not know if they are pure silver or just a silver coloured metal. --Crazycrankle 06:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I think I will believe the word of 3 honest men over that of wikipedia-S&Wshooter 21:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I found this picture online. It's not seen in the show but still, uh, interesting. --redram355 22:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I think the poster is from one of the two "James Bond" specials they did. One of the specials had a rather interesting use of a Dillon Aero minigun. --Charon68 23:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Moved from main page
Remington 700
In one episode, to test the "Shooting through the scope" myth, Adam and Jamie, along with the range owner, tested shooting throught the scope with a .308 caliber Remington 700. If they really wanted to test it properly, they would have used a Winchester Model 70 .30-06 rifle, and would have known that both scopes must be perfectly aligned for the project to work. Also, Hathcock was much closer to his target, while they tested it at 100 yards and innaccurately at point blank.
Hathcock said in his own words that he shot through a RIFLE scope, and pondered that if he had waited another second, the other sniper would have likely done the same to him, since to shoot through the scope requires both scopes to be aimed dead on to each other.
Hathcock shot the enemy sniper through the old 3.5x scope mounted on his Mosin-Nagant, it said specifically in Marine Sniper. Hathcock also wondered if he would be able to take the rifle home as a souvenier, but he never saw it again.
They shot the wrong scope too-S&Wshooter 00:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Didn't Hathcock use an M14 or M40 as his rifle
No, GSgt Carlos Hathcock specificaly said he preferred the Winchester m70 .30-06 spgfld over the Remington m40a1 .308 winchester (.308 NATO) which was desighned to replace the Winchester m70s due to the fact that the m70 was just a "hunting rifle" per say and was not developed for usage as a "sniper rifle". And the "sniper" varient of the m14 was designated the m21. -Drh
I actually have read in one article that when Hathcock came back for his second tour that he was surprised to still see that the core was still using the the Model 70s and was expecting that they'd be replaced by the M40s.
Also just as a fact, the original M40s WERE designed as a hunting rifle. Heavy varmit barrels, plain finish on the stock and barrel. only real difference was the caliber. Also Hathcock did in fact use an M40 to obtain his last few kills in Vietnam.
as for the M21, he was known to use not only that rifle but also an M1D, however none of his famous shots were made with those rifles; the only famous shot he made without his trusty model 70 was his distance record setting kill which was made with a M2 machine gun with a specially developed mount for his scope
Smith & Wesson SW99
Season 6, episode 1 "James Bond Special 1": Kari tries to pierce a propane tank with a Smith & Wesson SW99 - and fails.
I remember this episode. Kind of aggravated me when they misidentified it as Bond's gun.
Correct. Though the S&W99 resembles the Walther P99, it certainly is NOT James Bond's gun. This show gets it wrong a lot regarding weapons (not the physics, but attributions and historical details). The proof of physics is good, their historical fact checking is bad.
but its still chambered in 9mm same as the actual P99 is, unless Bond was using .40 S&W version of the P99, which is doubtful because its clearly a 9mm.
Regardless, it's NOT 007's weapon. Kind of like how a Norinco Type 56 isn't a genuine, true-blue Russian-produced AK-47. --Clutch 03:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The Walther P99 is now used by bond in the later movies. And the only difference between the Walther and the S&W are the markings and the cosmetics. Besides that they are basicly the same gun and the reason Mythbusters used a S&W is they the only version you can get new. S&W is now importing the Walther for the Germans and that is the same gun.
Isn't a SW99 just a P99 assembled by S&W for Walther, who also import their PP series through S&W?-S&Wshooter 19:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Subtle differences, like a slightly different shaped slide, rounded trigger guard, bigger backstrap and internals, but more or less, yes it is just a P99 with S&W logos M14fanboy
Unknown .50 rifle
I don't know what it is but the .50 BMG rifle from "Drive to Survive" is definitely not an AR-50. An AR-50 is a conventional single shot bolt action whereas this gun is a bullpup shell holder action. It looks quite a lot like the LAR Grizzly Big-Bore but there are a few differences so not sure, could be a variant/custom. --commando552 11:58, 2 December 2011 (CST)
The only difference that I see is what appears to be a trigger guard, for lack of a better term. I concur that it is definitely not an AR-50 and it really does look like the LAR Grizzly Big-Bore. --Zackmann08 15:35, 3 December 2011 (CST)
It's a Maadi Griffin Rifle I can't tell if it's an 89 or a 99. the handguard on the pistol grip is the dead Giveaway. Rockwolf66 23:10, 3 December 2011 (CST)
I have never heard of the Maadi Griffin Rifle... Couldn't find much information on it either but you are definitely right about the handguard. --Zackmann08 23:27, 3 December 2011 (CST)
Clamp = Ransom Rest
I found out that the clamp they use to hold the pistols is called a "Ransom Rest", for example: Here is an example.
Experience is the name we give to our mistakes. The Mythbusters have years of experience. . .--Acepeacemaker 17:32, 8 December 2011 (CST)
Failure is always an option. Having said that, I don't remember them ever damaging someone else's property, normally they just wreck their own stuff. --commando552 17:38, 8 December 2011 (CST)
I'm just very glad no one was hurt or killed. :) What a freak accident. :| - Mr. Wolf 20:48, 8 December 2011 (CST)
Whatever else you say about these guys it is clear safety is paramount. Whenever they do anything involving firearms or explosives they are always at an approved range and qualified law enforcement/military personnel are there to supervise things. This is just another example of a freak accident. I don't know if any of you follow any of the Mythbusters on Twitter but it was obvious to me they were all horrified by what happened. --Charon68 21:52, 10 December 2011 (CST)
Captions.
So you guys may notice that my captions for the photos are a little mundane. Its hard to come up with something creative to say when im uploading so many pictures. PLEASE feel free to add your own, more interesting caption. However, please leave the S##E## at the end of the caption. Helps me remember what episodes I have already done. --Zackmann08 22:13, 8 December 2011 (CST)
Additional guns
A few more guns I found in promotional/production images that aren't on the main page yet. Will just put them here for now in case they aren't actually used in the show. --commando552 17:23, 9 December 2011 (CST)
The unknown semi-automatic shotgun is a Remington Model 1100 Tactical.
Error creating thumbnail: File missingRemington Model 1100 Tactical Shotgun - 12 gauge. This is a factory configuration for a tactical setup, featuring a high-capacity magazine tube and oversized charging handle
So there are a number of shotguns used in the show but i think one of these might be mislabeled. We have the Remington 870 in the James Bond Special Part 1.
These guns look exceptionally similar and I think that they are almost definately the same gun. It just seems unlikely that they have 2 different remington, Semi automatic shotguns.
That being said, the Remington 870 from "Dive to Survive" is definately different from the other two since it's a pump action.
I am in the process of screencaping "Mission Impossible mask" and will upload more pictures as i get them. --Zackmann08 11:17, 10 December 2011 (CST)
They are different guns, the 870 is always a pump gun and the 1100 is semi auto. Don't know which episode it is from (Is it the mission impossible one?) but the promo image above is definitely a 1100 rather than an 870, can tell by the slot for the charging handle in the side of the receiver. Also, they are definitely two different guns as the top one has a normal barrel whereas the second has a raised rib. I think the current gun IDs are correct. --commando552 11:30, 10 December 2011 (CST)
And this is why i always defer to the experts. Thanks! --Zackmann08 11:37, 10 December 2011 (CST)
Now that you have some screencaps, neither of the two guns under the 1100 entry are a 1100. The one in the above promo pick with the Barrett is a 1100 (it has a ribbed barrel and no sights). The first gun in the 1100 section is a regular pump by the look of it (can't tell which, would assume 870). Second is (I think) a Benelli M4 with a 7 round tube. --commando552 15:10, 10 December 2011 (CST)
In the episode they also briefly show the following shot of the gun collection. (They only end up using 1 of the shotguns for the test.)
The one on the left is a Benelli M4 with solid stock and 7 round tube and the one on the right is a Remington 870 with extended magazine tube and a muzzle brake/stand-off device. --commando552 18:02, 10 December 2011 (CST)
Any chance it's the Benelli M1 Super 90? (the same one used in S08E17, Shown Here?) Just checking before I re-arrange it.--Zackmann08 18:21, 10 December 2011 (CST)
No, the M1 didn't have any iron sights wheras this has sight and a rail on the receiver. Also, that large endcap on the magazine tube is only on the M4. --commando552 18:36, 10 December 2011 (CST)
Very good ID'ing. :) - Mr. Wolf 18:46, 10 December 2011 (CST)
S&W Model 500
Is there dialogue that confirms that the Model 500 is a .50 revolver, as it seems to be the exact same gun as the Model 460. Also, I dont think you can get a Model 500 with a 5" barrel. --commando552 14:09, 12 December 2011 (CST)
Wow, they really do look the same... Hmmmm. They definately said it was a .500 cal revolver (though this would not be the first time they've been wrong). I will need to go back and check. Also, the wikipedia page (pinch of salt here) for the S&W 500 does imply that it was used on Mythbusters. Let me do some digging and I will get back to you. --Zackmann08 14:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)
It is possible that they called it a Model 500 but actually used a Model 460. If you ever get a look at the right side of the frame it will say either 460 or 500 which would clear it up for certain. --commando552 14:38, 12 December 2011 (CST)
Gotcha. I will track down a copy of that episode to re-watch and let you know. Thanks for catching that. --Zackmann08 14:45, 12 December 2011 (CST)
Just found the episode in question, and they never say what model it is. The gunsmith does however say the muzzle velocity 2300 fps, which is the muzzle velocity of a Model 460. Also, a Model 460 is the optimum gun for the myth, as the pressure of the escaping gases is higher on a Model 460 than on a Model 500. Having said that, the gun shown in the animation at the start of the myth is the Model 500 shown below:
Pardon the crappy quality as is taken by print screening a streamed version, but here you can just see the frame markings. The 460 is absent (has either been physically polished off, photoshopped out or was never there for some reason) but the V is clearly visible, which is only there on the 5" barrelled Model 460. --commando552 15:18, 12 December 2011 (CST)
I think we have different definitions of 'clearly visible'. I would go with you "if you squint really hard you can just make out the V. :-) But right you are. I will correct this shortly. --Zackmann08 15:54, 12 December 2011 (CST)
Gun Collections
Anyone have any strong opinions on the 'Gun Collections' section at the bottom of the page? With the page filling up i was thinking of removing it but if people like it then i wont. --Zackmann08 23:38, 15 December 2011 (CST)
Revolvers and Pistols
I've seen on some pages that the Pistols and Revolvers are separated. Anyone have strong feelings against doing this here? --Zackmann08 12:38, 16 December 2011 (CST)
Well, what's the problem with it? It's a big page, and a single "Handguns" category might be quite large - Jackbel
That was kind of my point. That's why I want to separate them. Wanted to see what others thought. --Zackmann08 16:18, 16 December 2011 (CST)
I agree, split it. there are a lot of handguns, and the only reason not to do it would be if there were only a couple of one type, which isn't the case here with a 10:16 revolver:pistol split. --commando552 17:15, 16 December 2011 (CST)
Overhall Complete!
I have officially completed the overhaul of this page! I have watched every episode that (according to Wikipedia's summaries) contained a firearm. I will of course continue to update this as new episodes air. Thanks to everyone for the help, particularly Comando552. Couldn't have done half of this without you. --Zackmann08 23:09, 17 December 2011 (CST)
Split up by season.
So I am debating whether or not to split this page up by season. On the one hand, the page is getting really full. On the other hand, it I do split it up, each season's page will be rather small. Thoughts??? --Zackmann08 14:03, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
It's not THAT big, especially for a show that's been on for nine years. --Funkychinaman 14:09, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
Agreed. My point is more that its large enough that it takes a while to load even with a good connection. Whenever you edit the page you get that little warning: Warning: This page is 54 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.
I do agree with you that considering it has been on for going on 10 seasons, its not that big of a page. I just think it might be worth splitting up so the page doesn't get over crowded.
As they use many of the same guns for different experiments, there would be a lot of repeats. I think it is fine the way it is.----JazzBlackBelt-- 16:18, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
The page for The Unit needs to be broken up. The sixth largest page on the site, and only four seasons. It takes a very long time to load for me. According to the list of long pages, 28 pages are over the 54 KB threshold. --Funkychinaman 18:52, 27 March 2012 (CDT)
BAR
I've been trying to fill in the gaps, but I just can't find the BAR as described. I flipped through the entire MacGyver episode (and I assume there's only one) but I couldn't find it. (And doesn't MacGyver have an aversion to firearms in general?) --Funkychinaman 14:31, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
I believe there was more than 1 MacGyver episode. It's possible that the BAR was used by the other group to test an unrelated myth in a MacGyver episode? It's also possible that whoever added that bit about the BAR was simply mistaken. That was there before I redid the entire page. Also, thanks for filling in the gaps!!! REALLY appreciate it. :-) --Zackmann08 15:04, 7 April 2012 (CDT)
High Speed Camera
heres a quick video of some high speed camera moments from the newest episode i think
So the latest upisode (S10E12) was ALL about gun myths. I am 6 minutes into the 43 minute long episode and already they have used 8 different guns... Considering that this page is already almost double the length pages should be (Warning: This page is 57 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections), I am going to split this page up into its separate seasons. --Zackmann08 20:17, 21 June 2012 (CDT)
Carlos curiosity
I'm just curious, did Carlos Hathcock actually shoot a Viet Cong sniper through the scope? It just seems incredibly unlikely. Is there any actual evidence of the shot, like eyewitnesses? Or the Viet Cong scope itself?
He had a spotter, but he was killed at Khe Sahn. And please sign your posts. --Funkychinaman 16:52, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
He also took the rifle as evidence, but it was stolen after being signed into the armoury. --commando552 17:06, 22 June 2012 (CDT)
Paintball pistols
Does anyone know the brand/model name of the Desert Eagle-styled paintball pistols that they use in a few episodes?
Unknown .22 rifles
The one that Adam is firing has me stumped. It's not a Marlin 25 like suggested because you would see the bolt protruding slightly out from the back of the stock. I don't know what it is. But the one Jamie is firing appears, judging by its lack of an exposed magazine, to be a Marlin Model 983, though. Spartan198 (talk) 02:10, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
